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Depersonalisation and ego loss
    #5497175 - 04/09/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

crazy question but... Do you think what psychiatrists call depersonalization is related to we call Ego Loss?


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: chris92346]
    #5497180 - 04/09/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

not sure what depersonalization is, but it sounds like it would be.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: chris92346]
    #5497197 - 04/09/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah

de?per?son?al?i?za?tion
n.
A state in which the normal sense of personal identity and reality is lost, characterized by feelings that one's actions and speech cannot be controlled.

e?go
n.
In psychoanalytic theory, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and mediates between the person and external reality.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: chris92346]
    #5497202 - 04/09/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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chris92346 said:
crazy question but... Do you think what psychiatrists call depersonalization is related to we call Ego Loss?




I dont think so. I think Ego-loss is much more profound than depersonalization. Maybe depersonalization is part of the ego-loss process.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5497207 - 04/09/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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jst31 said:
Yeah

de?per?son?al?i?za?tion
n.
    A state in which the normal sense of personal identity and reality is lost, characterized by feelings that one's actions and speech cannot be controlled.

e?go
n.
    In psychoanalytic theory, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and mediates between the person and external reality.




ok nevermind.  :thumbup:


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5497210 - 04/09/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay let me ask this a different way. When talking about these two things are we talking about the same thing just different intensities or are we talking about radically different things?


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: chris92346]
    #5497220 - 04/09/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I figure them as being the same thing. I hadnt known the exact definitions until now - they seem to be the same, but i could be wrong - ive experienced neither


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: chris92346]
    #5499168 - 04/10/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Two sides of the same coin, I think..

Depersonalisation is a lasting "disorder" that is often, but not always, attributed to drug use (especially marijuana). Ego loss would be the temporary state of "enlightenment" that many claim can be glimpsed through the use of certain drugs (especially psychedelics).

Objectively the "symptoms" are similar, but the difference is in how it feels.

temporary state of ego loss = desirable
lasting depersonalisation = undesirable

...

many will call BS, but ... a spiritualist once told me that my depersonalisation stemmed from overstimulation of my third eye chakra through overuse of psychedelics. i now do energisation exercises to address the imbalance. gotta have balance.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Revelation]
    #5499558 - 04/10/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Revelation said:
Two sides of the same coin, I think..

Depersonalisation is a lasting "disorder" that is often, but not always, attributed to drug use (especially marijuana). Ego loss would be the temporary state of "enlightenment" that many claim can be glimpsed through the use of certain drugs (especially psychedelics).

Objectively the "symptoms" are similar, but the difference is in how it feels.

temporary state of ego loss = desirable
lasting depersonalisation = undesirable

...

many will call BS, but ... a spiritualist once told me that my depersonalisation stemmed from overstimulation of my third eye chakra through overuse of psychedelics. i now do energisation exercises to address the imbalance. gotta have balance.




I don't find the level of depersonalzation that I experiance to be unpleasent undeireable at all I can see into people and have greater reception on the feelings of others. I feel like alot of people just run right into these things and dont expect what they get at all and just freak out. they are so used to the very confinded world we live in and make it makes it harder to except.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Revelation]
    #5499743 - 04/10/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Revelation said:
Two sides of the same coin, I think..

Depersonalisation is a lasting "disorder" that is often, but not always, attributed to drug use (especially marijuana). Ego loss would be the temporary state of "enlightenment" that many claim can be glimpsed through the use of certain drugs (especially psychedelics).

Objectively the "symptoms" are similar, but the difference is in how it feels.

temporary state of ego loss = desirable
lasting depersonalisation = undesirable

...

many will call BS, but ... a spiritualist once told me that my depersonalisation stemmed from overstimulation of my third eye chakra through overuse of psychedelics. i now do energisation exercises to address the imbalance. gotta have balance.




I'm not really sure if I understand completely what this disorder is, but I have done psychadelics maybe 20 or so times. My first trip was with 10.5 grams DRY. Ever since that day I felt different. It feels like I can understand every person and what they are feeling, based only on looking at them. Maybe Im crazy...

Thats why I want to try those "energisation exercises" you're talking about. What are they?


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: sivad02487]
    #5499831 - 04/10/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.dpselfhelp.com/ is a forum for people with depersonalization/derealization. I used to drop in there every now and again, never posted though. Good info.

The exercises are something that I sent away for after reading Autobiography of a Yogi. A friend turned me on to it a year or so ago. It's partly about visualizing energy flow to the different parts of your body, pranic breathing etc... but this is getting into mystic territory which doesn't agree with everyone.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Revelation]
    #5500514 - 04/10/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Please share.


PM also.


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Re: Depersonalisation and ego loss [Re: Revelation]
    #5500776 - 04/10/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the info.
Please PM me also with more info about your exercise.


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