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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
#5502218 - 04/11/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I want to see a chemical break down of heroin and each individual effects on human biology, and a scientific report on what chemical is the direct cause of the high and where it comes from first before I concede.
I was talking about the chemicals you are tripping on, not the ones found in heroin that are toxic to the system. Even our own bodies produce chemicals that in excess can be toxic and kill you.
I want a full report on heroin please. In other words, Source?
The point remains and I'll gladly erase my thoughts on what you quoted and correct myself if I am wrong about how heroin works to get you high.
People go into altered states and have mystical experiences all on their own neuro chemistry. The brain manufactures chemicals to cause the experiences. WHY?
I'm going to research it myself anyway. Maybe it was a different psychedelic I read about.
That was a lame thing to pick out too. You can pick apart everything I said, and you will never be able to stop people from having what are know as mystical experiences that mean something to them. Pick away pick away, you'll never stop it. At best, you'll just discourage people from sharing them here.
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Can't stop people from having seizure's either. Are seizure's mystical expirences? How about nervous breakdowns or bouts of depression?
Why would your brain give you a "mystical" expirence? I have no idea. It probably has something to do with your biology... why the hell would a being give you a mystical expirence in direct public? What if someone mugged you while you were trippin' out?
Look. If I or other critics didn't think this was interesting, then we would pursue it. Perhaps, in picking apart I am attempting to discover truth, rather than be fooled by another sham. I have a history of being disappointed on account of blind belief. Life was much more interesting when Santa Claus existed; but when I tried to meet him, I discovered the truth. I wasn't shattered or distraught emotionally... more like disappointed that some crazy fat man didn't break into my house to give me gifts.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
#5502252 - 04/11/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do your research before you correct me. I had it correct. Read the bold.
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How heroin works Heroin is a central nervous system depressant, which means it slows down specific functions of the brain and nervous system. Body temperature drops and breathing slows down, but the most dramatic effect takes place inside the brain. Like other opioids, heroin prompts the brain to release chemicals (neurotransmitters) called endorphins, which are responsible for feelings of pleasure. Almost immediately upon injection, the user experiences a complete cessation of all physical pain and discomfort, and is flooded with intense pleasurable feelings.
Deviate, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out who temptress is a puppet of.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
#5502282 - 04/11/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has panties pulled too tightly over brains said:
on the one hand you talk about the narrowing of ego as a detriment to the natural unfolding; then you give an example that is entirely ego-based. it is truly hard to follow you.
Where the heck did I ever say anything about it being a detriment in itself?
Where the heck did I ever say, that I am in a continuum of unfoldment and conscious expansion? I choose daily to narrow my consciousness and go into ego for various reasons. Sometimes, it just happens all on its own when I am tired. I also choose daily to broaden my consciousness and let go of ego stuff.
Both have a purpose, neither is inherently right or wrong. Each serves a goal and what you choose depends on the goal you are after. Sometimes, either isn't a choice, like when tired or like when inspired.
Where did you get this false idea that I am some religious moral self righteous person?
Where did you get this false idea that I belong to and follow a specified religious, philosophical or spiritual teaching or path?
I can be a demon, an angel, a helping hand, a dickhead, a guiding light, a dark hole. I can have changes of mind and heart and perspective because I am free. Capiche?
Try all you want to paint me into some box that isn't true of me and then judge me for going outside of it. That's an old trick. 
Keep using them and I'll keep exposing them.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: psyka]
#5502293 - 04/11/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's cool psyka. Same reason I am asking questions. Maybe we are just a lump of cells and chemicals. I have no empirical evidence I can repeat to prove otherwise. I have enough experiential evidence to lean towards there being something much more to all of this for myself to go on. Even if its sub atomic quantum energy, so be it.
I appreciate the perspective you shared. I even enjoyed coming from it myself. Its interesting to believe. It changes everything.
There are two people who posted here with zero intent of gaining any new understanding here. There only intent is to pick me personally apart. I know you are not one of them. I respect your contributions and integrity with your participation in this thread. 
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Try all you want to paint me into some box that isn't true of me and then judge me for going outside of it.
you painted the box; claimed it as some sort of undertsanding then contradicted yourself.
what exactly are we supposed to attempt to understand?
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I want to see a chemical break down of heroin and each individual effects on human biology, and a scientific report on what chemical is the direct cause of the high and where it comes from first before I concede.
I was talking about the chemicals you are tripping on, not the ones found in heroin that are toxic to the system. Even our own bodies produce chemicals that in excess can be toxic and kill you.
I want a full report on heroin please. In other words, Source?
abzoultely amazing! (or perhaps not ) nowhere did i mention heroin and yet - ah nevermind...
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
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Try all you want to paint me into some box that isn't true of me and then judge me for going outside of it.
you painted the box; claimed it as some sort of understanding then contradicted yourself.
what exactly are we supposed to attempt to understand?
Nope, you painted that box. I've got thousands of posts here coming from all sorts of perspectives and understandings and many contradict each other. I've never been consistent and don't plan to be as long as I continue to choose to keep exploring the depths and heights of myself and existence.
Where did you now miss that I said I am free to explore all facets and levels of consciousness. "Consistency = truth" is your bag swami, not mine, never was. What's true and right in one place is false and wrong in another. Consistency only holds true of predictability in the objective physical realm. In the abstract realm and in the subjective realm, it's all true.
A person exploring multidimensional consciousness will deal with many contractive views and understandings. My mind isn't linear or bound to a single perspective or ideology or understanding. Capiche?
What are we suppose to understand you ask? Nothing if you don't want too. If you are open to understanding differing opinions and views and experiences then there is much here to help people understand something where before they may have been mis-judging it.
I grew in understanding from it. 
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
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I want to see a chemical break down of heroin and each individual effects on human biology, and a scientific report on what chemical is the direct cause of the high and where it comes from first before I concede.
I was talking about the chemicals you are tripping on, not the ones found in heroin that are toxic to the system. Even our own bodies produce chemicals that in excess can be toxic and kill you.
I want a full report on heroin please. In other words, Source?
absolutely amazing! (or perhaps not ) nowhere did i mention heroin and yet - ah nevermind...
Oh, I mind, lets take a look. You didn't mention heroin is right. I was talking about heroin for an example and how external drugs just release a flood of our own natural chemicals.
Then you went off topic with some irrelevant reply about toxic poison killing people as if it had anything to do with the statement I made.
Thats another one of your tricks. To get people to reply to irrelevant responses so you can either
A. Figure people will assume it fits and make what they said look foolish as if what you called silly relates to what I said being equally silly. No its not. Its scientific fact.
B. To drag them off topic and into an area easier to get them to stumble in. Then you use that to try to discount the original topic. I didn't fall for getting into a discussion about how toxic poisons work. And , what you said in reply is meaningless because it's irrelevant to what I was talking about.
But thanks for giving me reason to back up what I said with scientific data. 
People can figure out for themselves why you thought it relevant or what you meant by it.
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Sometimes, I think people who have only known altered states and or mystical experience via ingesting a psychedelic, think the psychedelic chemical is the cause. It is just triggering the release of your own natural chemicals that stay other wise stored. How easy to say, "oh it was the heroin".
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when one is dying from a deadly poison, how silly to think it is an external chemical; it is merely the body releasing its own toxins that will kill you.
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seems we are supposed to learn that god cares more about some hurried housewife finding a parking space than for a cardiac patient to recover as he failed to respond to those sincere requests.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
#5502591 - 04/11/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Temptress said: seems we are supposed to learn that god cares more about some hurried housewife finding a parking space than for a cardiac patient to recover as he failed to respond to those sincere requests.
Wow, Swam, you're not even trying to hide yourself anymore.
In my opinion: To assume that God "cares" one way or another is folly, and is based on the age-old (foolhardy) belief that God is a likeness of man... as if God thinks like we do... reasons like we do... cares like we do. It just isn't so.
Things work out as they will, and sometimes it's in your benefit. To recognize POTENTIAL benefit--and to work with that potential--allows you to take advantage of this potential benefit due to your own conscious realization of the situation at hand.
Let's say I'm playing racquetball (hahaha, stay with me now friend...) and my opponent hits a line-drive straight at my head. If I'm exercising my awareness, I will maneuever myself in a way that allows me to either a) avoid being hit by it, or b) hit it back.
On the other hand, if I am NOT exercising my awareness of the state of my surroundings, I will be beaned in the head.
Jiggy might have failed to notice the cop all together, sped down the road, and got pulled over. Her awareness allowed her to keep the cop in check until it was no longer necessary. Perhaps her literal thoughts and requests are just her way of keeping herself in tune with the situation.
So, then, what if that racquetball was a train coming toward you, and you were tied to the tracks? Is it just as easy to evade this situation as it was to evade the racquetball? All it takes is awareness, right? Wrong. It takes awareness coupled with a certain state of reality. It is one's awareness OF the state of reality that allows one to benefit from potential outcomes of that reality.
Sincere requests (or, as I like to call them, "awareness enhancers") on their own may not be enough to stop a speeding train, or cardiac arrest. But what if you can MacGuyver out of the situation with a clothespin and chewing gum? When a situation COMPLIMENTS one's awareness, these two things will work together to reveal a solution.
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You get it JC. I shared that story not because one is supposed to believe anything about what some God out there I don't even believe in cares more for.
I believe our own consciousness (limited as it may be in the physical) is a spark of a greater universal intelligent creative energy.
By harmonizing yourself with it, which means awareness moved out of the ego self identity and into the universal beingness identity, awesome things begin to be realized that otherwise wouldn't.
I've been studying and testing out the laws of how working with this universal energy works for over a decade now. I've discovered stuff, nowhere near all there is to remember.
Take the guy in cardiac arrest "praying to live" example. First off, he is probably praying only because he is afraid of dying. FEAR, is not resonant with this higher intelligence. No resonation, no higher power within to heal with.
He also is probably feeling like a victim of something that happened to him. No realization of taking responsibility for his self as his own first cause, means that again, he isn't in resonant harmony with IT. No higher power within to heal with.
He also probably thinks he was here to become CEO of the bank he works for and wants to live for ego power status reasons. When he was in resonance with IT before birth, he may have chose to come here with a soul group choosing a family dynamic and to help those in his personal life realize patience in the physical by being short fused bastard (which is what also lead to the cardiac arrest which fits in with the bigger plan). They did come to realize it, his life purpose was fulfilled , time to go. See how neatly it all works?
If he was in resonant harmony with IT, he would know that and that if he wanted the healing modalities to kick in, he would need to make a new a life purpose choice not based on an ego desire, to stay longer. Even some who achieve that conscious awareness in such a state and realize they can make a choice to stay, sometimes, are ready to leave and no prayer of another is going to change that.
They are offered choices in the dream states or NDE. If they go, they chose too. Be at peace with it.
The power I speak of when in resonant harmony with IT is higher awareness. In that awareness we make different choices and when in resonant harmony with it, it works to fulfill them.
House wife, man in cardiac arrest, those are human ego definitions. They mean NOTHING to IT. It doesn't even recognize those definitions. It just sees IT in all of us. When we become IT, in awareness we now have ITs co-operation working through and for us.
I've been exploring how all of this works and putting it to tests for at least 12 years now and I have made some discoveries. Still much more I am working on. Still much more to figure out.
Being in resonant harmony with IT means being IN universal love, joy, forgiveness, understanding good will appreciation for all that is and peace.
Thats ITS natural state of being.
How many people do any of you even know in that state ever, let alone for just brief periods?
And people wonder why others don't believe in any higher creative intelligent power. Why should one believe in something they have not realized for themselves? I understand that.
Ever notice that when people are in that energy of resonant harmony, from their POV, things are going their way? Even if they weren't they are so freaking happy and at peace, it doesn't matter. The view of everything changes when in it, and so does your understanding of life. Thats being in the higher awareness where there is nothing to fear.
I've learned that being in fear tenses everything up so tight a form of energetic paralysis kicks in. No power can flow through. If power isn't reaching the light bulb, how are you going to see with it?
Same with all of its negative derivatives, that tighten things up and cut off power flows. You can still get power when in those states, only thats what we know as energy vamping and using other peoples power against them to feel powerful. Thats lame and what most people habitually run on-power theft to feel IT, because they lost their resonant harmony connection with IT.
I fall into old habits of doing it to sometimes. I also fall into old habits of giving my power over to others to be used against me. I also fall deeper into ego and loose access to my own sometimes.
It's NOT easy to surrender to it. Ego puts up a lot of resistance because it wants to be head honcho. Ego intelligence is a moron in comparison to Universal intelligence. Surrender. Let go. Then pay attention to what you can see with its sight. Pay attention to what can be done with its wisdom and know how. IT wants to show you all of the wonders of existence. The beauty of itself. When you deny it, you're in the dark to all of those things save for what power you can thieve.
Don't use me or my actions as an example of results. I'm still testing stuff out, like seeing how how well it follows me into ego. I test to see if it comes in more, with ego in a different self understandings that are broadened. I test to see what the chain of break down is when I go into resistance. I test what the mechanisms of what happens when I give my power over to others in fear. There is so much to test and figure out how it works. In other words, I'm not always in resonant harmony with it.
I'm leaving out a lot of what I have discovered simply because I could write books on it. I hear people say things like, I did once believe and I did try to work with it and nothing happened so its bullshit. Unfortunately, we are taught wrong from birth how to work with it and are moreso, taught how to work against IT, "the self".
Who here thinks someone talking about IT should be able to put up a few simple lines that cover it all? No one I am aware even is close to having it all figured out yet. If it was that easy, the whole world would be in Joy, universal love, forgiveness, understanding, appreciation for all that is and peace ALL of the time. Look around you. It's easy to forget and difficult to re-member the pieces back into the whole self that is just a spark of the IT.
Give up on if you want. Free will. Some of us here are yet working to rebuild the whole self. We are not bad people out to deceive or hurt others. We are not out to become fraudulent scam artists. We are not in support of waging war and ignorance in the name of some God. We just want to return to the ongoing realization of the love we came from, the love we ar when in our true being. Helping each other to remember is a part of that, what some of us "mystic heads" are doing here.
FYI, its what all of you are doing here who come here. You just having become aware of that yet.
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First off, he is probably praying only because he is afraid of dying. FEAR, is not resonant with this higher intelligence.
as opposed to say - fear of not arriving on time or having to walk another hundred feet because of no parking space. i see the radical difference.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
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No, you don't see the radical difference. I will show it to who ever has eyes to see it with. 
Wanting to be surrounded by family, the joy of giggling nephews, the smile on my daughters face to see here cousins again. It was about a love of family coming into more of it. If I utilized ways to safely close gaps between love and more love, I not only can, I did. 
Saving myself from the walk isn't what the parking spot diddy is all about. I work out 30 minutes a day at home, take Martial arts, play golf, tennis, mountain bike, walk the neighborhood, swim regularly. Lazy I am not. I do that one because its just fun, like an inside joke between me and the Universe. It's a silly way of experiencing resonance with IT in the physical.
You looked for a fear base and found one in your imagination. It was never there. All love.
Here's another funny one for anyone interested.
When I last spoke to my sister-in-law making plans for the hook up at the hotel, I told her, "I'd like to get there before 5, however, being realistic, if I we get there between before 5 Divine intervention will have had to take place. 5-6 is realistic if all goes smooth. If I'm not there 6, figure something went afoul and go ahead to dinner.
So, walking into the hotel, my watch says, 5:50. I was hoping I would catch them. I get to the front desk and their clock says, 4:50. I was like wtf? The lady said they are an hour behind Tampa.

Make of it what you will.
Then my brother came by on his way up from the beach and all was well and we had a Fabulous time. I even won the sand building contest. I made a kick ass Mayan Temple. 
Off to finish planting more stuff in a new garden. Looking forward to seeing what you chose to pick at next. Studying cynics so I can understand them better is a hobby of mine. If no one wants to add to the topic, I'll be happy to keep studying you through it.
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Wanting to be surrounded by family, the joy of giggling nephews, the smile on my daughters face to see here cousins again.
i see. the cardiac patient wanting all that and more is in fear while you claiming those extra few minutes above others safety is about love - how very copernican.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Temptress]
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Wanting to be surrounded by family, the joy of giggling nephews, the smile on my daughters face to see here cousins again.
i see. the cardiac patient wanting all that and more is in fear while you claiming those extra few minutes above others safety is about love - how very copernican.
It's not that simple. There is a difference between wanting something and being in fear of loosing what you want. Granted the cardiac patient is hypothetical. I drew from other cases I am aware of which is where I learned how it works, and applied them to possibilities of the hypothetical.
I had no fear of not being there. My life ussually kicks ass where ever I am. I had no attachment to either being there or not. Just would've extra kick ass.
You can want as much as you want, sincerely, genuinely and truly. If you fear loosing it, or "what if" you don't get it, that's a sure sign, there are ego identity attachments to it. When you are in your ego physical identity belief and not your universal self identity, you have no higher awareness and cut yourself off from your own universal power source.
If you want while in your universal self identity, you are in joy, peace, understanding, forgiveness, good will, appreciation for all that is, and all without attachment to anything. When there, you already feel like you are it all and have it all, all that really matters anyway.
Weather you get it or not doesn't matter much. You could take or leave it and all is the same, maybe just a tad more amped up if you get it. When in that mode, that's when you usually get it. If you don't, (for other reasons that may be in play) you don't even care. It's easy to let go of what you never held unto in the first place.
Where ever it is you think cardiac arrest man thinks he got jipped or was left to the buzzards, I see and understand something else at play. I see a person with that attitude who jipped himself of coming into realisation of his universal. This stuff is just flesh without spirit, buzzard food.
Like I said, I didn't cover all of the details of how this stuff works, of what I have figured out so far, because it would take books. I gave a general overlay and some more just now.
This may simplify it-
How can the universe put something new in your hand, when you are holding tightly unto something else?
Before it can, you have to let go of whatever it is you are holding tightly on too. People only hold on tight when they are in fear of loss. To get anything new, you have to let go of the fear and let go of your grip, and let the universal love and good stuff flow in. It won't even matter anymore at that point if you get the new or not.
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Believers in the Paranormal, Mystics, whatever you care to call those who know that there's more than the physical realm to this world are not creating something out of nothing - simply taking advantage of what's already there.
All the others can claim that these tools of reality dont exist all they want, it's none of my concern that they're losing out.
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None of it was on drugs, I don't use them.
funny because i had always assumed you were an LSD enthusiast due to the rush lyrics in your sig. anyway it's refreshing to find someone here who doesn't use drugs.
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Deviate]
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Trippen out on my own and others thoughts and life itself is plenty enough for me. I don't require or desire any assistance there.
I grew up in the 70s and my older brothers played a lot of Rush. I picked up an appreciation for them back then, from them. My brothers however, were using drugs while listening to them.
Music was my drug of choice in my teens.
The lyrics in my sig are just a cool ideal to me. I wish!
I hear Ya Foster. That's why my post is entitled Care to Understand. It was created for those who do.
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yes, i know those lyrics. i used to listen to rush back when i did drugs haha. they have a lot of nice lyrics. but ever since i quit drugs ive been experimenting with that idea that "life is enough" and its really working out quite well. it makes me wonder what i was smoking when i thought i needed drugs.
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