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Care to understand more?
    #5496880 - 04/09/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This quote was posted by PhantomCat in another post. It serves as the inspiration for this post as. I'm posting this with the intent for anyone minimally open to understanding what the mystic hub bub is all about.

There is is also something I seek to understand from those who don't understand the mystical experience. If I could go back to a time, where all I was aware of was just my life as Cindy and preoccupation with the physical because , it's all I knew there was, I wouldn't be at a forum like this.

I would be off, doing something extremely selfish, or more to accrue material wealth or that was physically gratifying.

For those of you who think there is just this one physical life for you to live and then its worm food, and only the physical to be experienced, what are you doing here at this forum?

Why aren't you out there in the world, busy making more money, having more sex and hedonism, or stepping over others to get ahead?

I certainly wouldn't be here. You must have some knowing, sense, curiosity, or reason to believe, that there is something more to all this, something better to be realized that draws you here.

Anyway, I relate to what I bolded.


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"""Mysticism is usually understood in a religious context, but as William James (1902) points out, mystical experiences may happen to anyone, regardless of religious training or inclinations. Such experiences can occur unbidden and without preparation at any time, and might not be understood as religious experiences at all. They may be interpreted, perhaps, as artistic, scientific, or other forms of inspiration, or even dismissed as psychological disturbances. """




I wrote off religion in my teens. Debunked all of the things about it that made no literal sense, now I see it as metaphor at best. I saw through the fear driven control machine, the "in it for the power and money schemes", you name it, organized religion wasn't for me.

I went on to lead a very materialistic, physical sensory and selfish oriented life. That was the life for me. Designer clothes, fancy cars, jet setting friends :thumbup: I maintained a personal interest in human psychology, wanting to understand what drives people and life itself though.

Learning about reincarnation in my teens, which my catholic upbringing denounced, helped in the process of my wanting to understand all of what seemed so unfair and cruel about life. I read account after account of children having past life memories with names places and details that were verify able. More then enough to convince me.

I use to be pissed at the Catholic God that would only allow for ONE life to get it right, that would allow for one life to end at 6 weeks and another an awesome 8o years, a life born without legs or with mental retardation and others who could freely run and jump and realize great things with a high functioning mind. I thought that was all so UNFAIR and cruel. Reincarnation made sense of it, and restored how the idea of free will and self righting balance all worked. The idea that we have many chances and choices that go on for eternity put me at peace and understanding with so much.

Though I believed in that, a judgmental God and damnation was no part of it, nor was any church or religion.

Besides that, my personal studies revolved around human psychology and self help empowerment readings, like Anthony Robbins books or "Your thoughts can change your life" by, Donald Curtis. These ideas intrigued me, to think we had a lot of power and control over our circumstances.

I had been putting them to the test and the results impressed me.

Around age 17, a friends mom, who just had all boys, took to me like the daughter she never had and brought me places with her. Two of which were to Psychics. She paid. One was a very sweet, gentle passive woman, who lived in a modest town home. She did a 40 minute reading that was DEAD ON. Convinced me.

The other, was scary. She got NOTHING RIGHT, not even close and further was asking for things I wanted and instructed me to open a charge account at sears and buy things like vacuum cleaners and what not for her church, where she would do ritual prayers to help me get what I wanted. She was a Scamming CON. Disgusting. I looked at her like she was a crook, told her, "I don't think so" and that was that.

They are both out there, the genuine with something beautiful to share and the fake with something ugly in their hearts. It's a shame people like the later have so many turned off too and wrongfully judgmental of the former.

It wasn't until around age 27 that the personal "mystical experiences" started to drop in. Most of them were not of a religious nature. They were more cosmic.  To many things began happening that I couldn't explain away with dismissal.  They snow balled faster and faster, like incoming waves with greater frequency and power overwhelming me.

I had to surrender to it, OR go crazy. I had to ask what the fuck was going on, get some answer and make sense of things. I didn't intend it, I didn't ask for it and it all upturned my life so much, leaving me with head spin after head spin, I certainly had no control over it. The waves over took me and any resistance put up to them every time.

However, it wasn't bad. I was flying higher then a kite through most of it. The higher I went, the more and more I saw of the bigger picture. The more beautiful it kept becoming and the more things began to make more sense.

What helped keep me grounded was coming to learn of how many other people were beginning to have this stuff happen to them too. Had that not happened, I would have been one of the ones in the quote that wrote it all off as psychological disturbances and kept it all to myself and stuffed it.

To many others were validating it all for me to the extent that brought a reasonable sense of it's own normalacy to it.

I can't share all of the "Mystical experiences" because there are literally hundreds to thousands of them covering the last 10 years of my life. I'm now 37.  None of it was on drugs, I don't use them.

I realize that to others, the things people share of a mystical nature sound like its coming from their imagination or pure escapism fantasy. I laugh at a lot of it myself, even the things that I have experienced when I get objective about them.

It is all too much sometimes weather you can or can't relate, isn't it? I know and I do understand when some of you here want to put a halt to it. I've even had to take breaks and shut myself down for a time. Often, it gets to be too much for even me.

However, I am big on seeing a need for open environments of sharing at the shroomery because, had I not become aware of so many other people experiencing the same things, I may have thought myself a mental case. I know I'm not and I think its important for others to know they are not either.

I wanted to share my own thoughts on the experiential difference between what I intend to imagine or fantasize about and what just drops into my mind and heart like an uninvited and unannounced guest.
That's what it is like, you can be doing and thinking the most mundane thing and it comes pouring in from out of no where.

One that stands out goes back about 11 years. I was at the pool getting out of the hot tub, walking towards my towel thinking about getting ready for work, and a wave enveloped me. This was the Big daddy of all time for me in this life.

I was blinded by white bright rainbow luminescent light within my mind. I heard the most beautiful music , like nothing ever composed here, waves of absolute bliss kept running over me. There was this feeling of LOVE for all, that crushed me to the bottom of humility and AWE and reverence for it. Tears of joy streamed from eyes. Words won't come close to describing this LOVE and its for everyone and its always there. It was absolutely overwhelming.

Why it is we can't always experience it, I don't know. Knowing it's there, is enough for me to know, all is well even when it doesn't appear so. It was like my own personal rapture. When in it, or even remembering it, nothing else matters and all is forgiven and understood.

I have not been able to duplicate it with imagination or even in  fantasy. Nothing remotely close. I want to feel that again and I wish I could. If I generated the experience from my own mind, I should be able to do it at will. I think I was thinking about having to iron what I was going to where to work when it overcame me.

To have known it its in full power and essence and be able to recall it is treasure and gift enough.

Another one that happened, scared the hell out of me, and it took me years to accept. I couldn't deny what happened, but I was in denial of what it was to mean to me. It was too big. I never would've imagined such a thing and to this day, sometimes, still, I wish I could sweep it all under the rug, and go back to being who I was in forgetfulness of so much more.

Some of you think others imagine and concoct their stories. Maybe some do.:shrug:  As if life isn't difficult enough keeping on top of all that has made us who we are and the physical life alone. To add comprehension and understanding and the integrations of more to it beyond this physical life just complicates things.

Some of you think peoples "experiences" are nothing more then escapism from the physical. It's not like that.

Its not like one who is in a jail, hates it, sees what is beyond the walls from out the window and wants out. It's very different. It's like, everything is fine then, something busts down walls, YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW were there and suddenly, there is more room to roam in and more to see. 

It's not experienced like you leaving something to go somewhere else. Its experienced like MORE coming in to you where you are.

At the time mystical experiences started happening to me, I was at the height of LOVING my life, living out multiple dreams come true. There was certainly nothing to escape, yet much to hold unto and want to keep for forever and a day.

It's not what some of you think. I hope something I shared in this may bridge some more understanding and less judgement. If not, I hope it served to let others who have had mystical experience know that, I believe you and know, you weren't imagining them and that you are not crazy.

I ask that this post be used for gaining understanding to alleviate ignorance on any end or level, including any coming from me.

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5496939 - 04/09/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Could you possibly describe the situation in your life at the time of your 'love' experience?


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5496969 - 04/09/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Some of you think others imagine and concoct their stories.

A few people probably concoct stories for whatever reason, but I don't worry much about them. I'm more skeptical about whether mystical experiences are merely a psychological phenomena or actually a truly 'divine' experience. Does this experience represent something external and real, or is it only a product of my brain? Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a valid way to discern whether it's a truly mystical experience or just delusion.

This is my beef with some mystics. They don't speak of mysticism as something which is mysterious and uncertain, but exactly the opposite. "I experienced it, so it must have actually happened. There must be some truth to this." I doubt anyone would outright say something such as this, but this seems to be the attitude some mystics have.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497032 - 04/09/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Mystical" experiences are cool and what not, but it doesn't stop any of this from being only chemicals and a shift in the brain's operating frequency. Or should I say..."potentially being".

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497047 - 04/09/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I was blinded by white bright rainbow luminescent light within my mind. I heard the most beautiful music , like nothing ever composed here, waves of absolute bliss kept running over me. There was this feeling of LOVE for all, that crushed me to the bottom of humility and AWE and reverence for it. Tears of joy streamed from eyes. Words won't come close to describing this LOVE and its for everyone and its always there. It was absolutely overwhelming.
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Why it is we can't always experience it, I don't know. Knowing it's there, is enough for me to know, all is well even when it doesn't appear so. It was like my own personal rapture. When in it, or even remembering it, nothing else matters and all is forgiven and understood.
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I have not been able to duplicate it with imagination or even in fantasy. Nothing remotely close. I want to feel that again and I wish I could. If I generated the experience from my own mind, I should be able to do it at will. I think I was thinking about having to iron what I was going to where to work when it overcame me.





This is very close to two of the experiences I had, the differences being that I was blinded by what looked like a sphere of burning steel wool, sparking and getting brighter and brighter till it could no longer stop from bursting from it's form from within my mind - enveloping everything about me in what I could only describe as a "Rapture" feeling....  And I didn't hear music, I smelled exotic smells like flowers and ripe island fruits....    The feelings/emotions and "understandings" you got from it, I couldn't have worded it better if I tried....  :heart:

I don't talk about these "experiences" because it is not really something that I can share in words with someone and have them understand....  Not something I was expecting, not something that I would know how to repeat, nor know how to prove, it just was.... 

It sure would be nice to have that feeling/experience on demand....!    :grin:


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5497059 - 04/09/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"Mystical" experiences are cool and what not, but it doesn't stop any of this from  being only chemicals and a shift in the brain's operating frequency. Or should I say..."potentially being".




And the Sun is merely the result of chemical, nuclear reactions, fusion, what-not. What is your point? A scientific explanation for phenomenon does not diminish the phenomenon or its value.

Did you know the interior of the Sun could hold 1.3 million Earth's? :shocked: Any sense of proportion should be appropriately blown after soaking in that fact. :grin:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: WScott]
    #5497171 - 04/09/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It came on like an Epiphany of sorts and I have had milder versions of it that still overwhelmed me to tears of joy, but nothing to match the magnitude of that one.

I was living in Kauai Hi, married deliriously happily, no kids yet. Working as a bartender. About a year and a half prior is when the spiritual awakening began for me. Smaller waves had started breaking me down, though back then, it was all so new and overwhelming, and I was most often just very uncomfortable with it, still putting up occasional resistance and denial to a lot of it too.

Yet, I was also enthusiastically and curiously embracing a lot of it as well.

I went through a two year period in Kauai that would be the minor equivalent for you guys who use psychedelics of being on them for two years straight. That island is an intensive mega watt center for spiritual growth. Ultimately, I couldn't handle the intensity of the high vibes and we left. Shortly after that, I unplugged all together for a few years. I needed serious distance and downtime to integrate and make sense of all that had happened in such a short period.

Funny how some think mystic types are escaping physical reality. As I left and there after I was escaping mystical/spiritual reality running back into the physical densities and forgetfulness, and conscious slumber where I was more comfortable.

I took a 4 year sabbatical in the other direction.:lol: I opened myself up to it again consciously again about 4 years ago and the pace has been much easier to manage.

Why do you ask? Have you had a similar experience or are you looking for explanations for it?

If I did anything to have willed it to happened, I think at the time I was reading up on this idea of "surrender". I suppose it would be like those of you who are curious to experience ego loss with shrooms. Thats what it was like for me, without the shrooms.

It took something more, because I was stubborn, VERY stubborn and putting up resistance to much that was happening. Yet, I knew I needed to be following along best I could. I'm glad I did.

This just reminded me of something that may have meaning to some. Before any spiritual awakening or mystical type experiences began, I was living in the Virgin Islands, a dream come true, was loving every day, life was surreal-heavenly and idealic.

Except, my husband at the time soon began to hate it there and wanted to go back to Chicago. I was pissed. When we met, he knew, I wanted to get out of Chicago and head for the tropics and said, he wanted to make my dreams come true. I felt like an ass for being so immature to have believed that at age 20 when we met ( was then 26) He's hating it there was the only thorn in my side and I wanted it out. I didn't know how.

I recall one afternoon, being upset about it, calling out, "God, if you exist, I feel trapped and don't know my way out of this marriage and I otherwise love my life here. I fucked up somewhere. If you exist, you surely know better about how life works then I do. I give up! I'm turning mine over to you. :tongue:

I later, felt silly about that, laughed about and forgot it. I Things stayed the same for months until BAM one day I looked up from behind the bar I was working at and time stood still. There he was. It was HIM and I knew him, somehow like a god to my goddess, he was my golden boy, he was illumed like an angel, breath taking.

We later got to talking and he was down on a sailing regatta from NJ, just split with his GF, said he hated Jersey, hated the social traps, fell in love with islands and planned to down himself.

I thought  :orly: Things happened fast, that was 11 years ago and I have been dizzy ever since. The whole package came together for me in my life. We're still so in love, have a beautiful daughter and home and great life. I had tears of joy coming from my eyes just yesterday feeling so blessed to be loved by him. I have learned so much more about how things work and so much has opened up to me.

Maybe there was something to my silly give up fit that afternoon. Maybe there is some intelligent force that is willing to work with us when we surrender to it and get our (I know best) human egos out of it's way. Whatever love we share between us just started busting down flood gates left and right.

That rapturous Epiphany happened a few years later. So much came before that too.

There is something so much more going on here you guys and its worth more then curious look sees or flat out criticisms. Surrender to it. Talk about ask and you shall receive, he's a dream, with looks that dim brad pit, a heart larger then all I know, intelligence that humbles me, wit that keeps me laughing, someone I admire and respect beyond measure, and a perfect fit.

Sometimes, I wonder if he isn't the physical  manifestation of a greater love and relationship with all can have with the Divine-not the biblical god. :thumbdown:

Sorry if I am babbling. There is a dreamy magical quality to life when you surrender to it. There is a place to be experienced here and its very real, only its not a physical place nor a place you get to through logic or the mind. You get there through surrendering to a higher love, through the heart of matter.

I can't speak for all mystic types, but I can say for myself I think many just want to show the way and share in that place with others who have found it too. There are just so many misconceptions about the mystical experience or "mystics" I would like to dispell.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497203 - 04/09/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Maybe there was something to my silly give up fit that afternoon. Maybe there is some intelligent force that is willing to work with us when we surrender to it and get our (I know best) human egos out of it's way.




Myself, I state "I am provided for". I seem to rely on it more when I am in a state strangled by security addictions, which is extremely rare these days. It is a statement that ensures that I will always get where it is that I am going, but it keeps myself from being too attached to where it is that I am headed, or what is actually being provided.

If nothing else, it calms the analytical mind that has been taken hostage by freaked out insecurities, which means that my mind is then free to be fully applied to interacting with my situation so that things do happen for me. It really does act as a boundary to prevent myself from falling any deeper into despair, if you know what I mean....

Sort of related, I guess. :grin:

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5497206 - 04/09/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Also, you need to do mushrooms sometime! I'm sure you've read around the entire site before.... :wink: :mushroom2:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497275 - 04/09/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is a combo reply to replies.

Mush, I agree, some are probably concocted out of imagination, though why would one bother? Why not say, you imaginaged or visualized such an experience instead? That makes you sound more normal.

You really put yourself out there when you share this stuff believing in it.  People do it I think, because, the experience of it is just as real as anything else that isn't imagined. For me, it feels just as natural to share them as telling you about my day at the dentist.

If the experiences, off drugs, are experienced with the same realness, other physical experiences are, what is the difference? To me, it's all just life experience, some, I can't prove.

Example- You may not be able to prove what teeth, sensitive to cold feels like or that you even experience it but you do.

We know what its like for others and believe them if we too, have teeth sensitive to the cold. Same thing. You are really experiencing the pain. How do you prove it?


To deviate or whoever brought up the chemical thing. Of course chemicals are involved in the physical. How else is spirit/consciousness going to experience the rush of love in and with a physical body unless it floods it with chemicals. That's how physical biology works.

How else is spirit/consciousness going to show you things unless it floods your brain with chemicals that will allow you to see its symbolic pictures, or comprehend something from a higher view. Just because chemicals are flooding the systems that bring the physical experiential results, doesn't mean spirit/higher consciounsess isn't involved.

How would you comprehend a higher knowing, with nothing happening in your brain to facilitate the cognition of it while incarnate? There would be no experience to have or relate to others.

Chemicals are a part of the biological design to experience it ALL in the physical.  Even if you take a chemical to release a flood of chemicals, have any of you ever asked, what our brains even make and store those chemicals, that bring about altered states are for?

Why would our brains make and release chemicals that have you experience flowers sharing their wisdom with you, or speaking to Buddha, or visualizing yourself unlocking gates with keys and coming into far out knowings you can't even retain comprehension of when the chemical flood wears off.

Sometimes, I think people who have only known altered states and or mystical experience via ingesting a psychedelic, think the psychedelic chemical is the cause. It is just triggering the release of your own natural chemicals that stay other wise stored. How easy to say, "oh it was the heroin". What about the millions of people having such experiences without taking a chemical to trigger the rush? :confused:

Ask yourself why our brains make and release chemicals that induce altered states of consciousness? What's the purpose? Think about it, feel about it.

Of course mystical experiences happen in the physical body and mind. Where else would they happen to you? How else could they happen to you while you are consciously aware and alive in a physical body? :confused:


Phantom Cat. Thank you for sharing what you did. When my daughter first paid me a visit before she was born, she appeared to me as a golden ball sort of like what you described and it was very much sparking off.

And yes, I do wish we could command the experience of such a love at will too.

Something beyond my own ego will or mind triggered it because, I don't seem to know how to when I try to recreate the experience.

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497289 - 04/09/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


To deviate or whoever brought up the chemical thing.


it wasn't me, i haven't even posted in this thread.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5497384 - 04/09/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's more where I am at now with working with a higher intelligence then my own ego mind. I do pretty much what you are doing. I think I started doing it when I read that book you like "Keys to Higher Consciousness" and from info off an Abrahamn tape about resonance harmonizing with what you want. That tape also rammed the idea into my head that we are suppose to feel good. Thats our natural state.

  When I get to caught up into narrowing my ego mind and things start going down hill, now I know, I have to let go some and make some more room for higher intelligence to make things better again.

It's effortless and easy when you can just "let go" and let the good in. I play around with stupid things too like the parking space trick. As I am pulling into a busy lot, I say, "thank you universe for opening a spot close to the front for me." I always get one. When I forget, I end up in the back of the lot. :tongue:


Or like when I drove up to Panama City Beach to visit some family vacationing there. I wanted to make it there before dinner, and this cop car was holding back the traffic to the speed limit on I-10. I was making great time doing 90-95 until I got stuck in his wolf pack. After about an hour of putzin at 70 and even getting off for a bath room break and catching up again, I had HAD IT with turtle mode. I said to myself, "time to use the higher powers".

I said, "Universe, thank you for creating a reason to get the cop to pull off this road and getting me there quick and safe." :grin: Then, I started charging up the feeling of appreciation and within a few minutes, I passed him by while he was pulling over to help a stranded driver.

Now I use the word Universe and not God. The Universe seems to love it when we feel appreciation and loves to bring to us what makes us feel it so it can feel more of it from us. Some back scratching relationship is going on. :lol: Work it! :thumbup:

I tried shrooms once when I was 17, had a hellish nightmare 8 hour long trip. Knowing what I do now, I would probably have a sweet one, however, I trip sweetly and naturally these days if no one has noticed. 

Like how in the reply before I was talking about how we naturally make the chemicals ourselves. I got the idea from a book that with intention, we could trigger the release of them. I spent years practicing that. I like it better, because, you can stop it when you want, there are no side effects, and you can make it much less intense and manageable.

Figuring out how to trigger the release of what will cause the effect you want takes a lot of fine tuning practice. I figured out so far that frequencies set them off. We can use thought and feeling frequencies set at the right pitch to trigger a release. I also use music and far out reading material to pull trigers.

I usually just get it started by remembering what something feels like and then start drawing in shit loads of energy to amplify it and then soon, the chemicals are running the actual experience and I'm off memory recall mode.

It pays to practice during meditation, opening up and drawing in an abundance of energy to juice and amplify the system with. I mostly use it to gain greater clarity, insighting, higher order comprehension in the abstract, the giggles-cosmic heroin rushes, or universal love. I'm not that good yet at maintaining the higher energy to run it all for much longer then 20-40 minutes at a time. That's probably for the best.:lol: I could easily get hooked on cosmic heroine. :yesnod:


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Deviate]
    #5497408 - 04/09/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Deviate said:

To deviate or whoever brought up the chemical thing.


it wasn't me, i haven't even posted in this thread.




Sorry, It was darkcloud. Thanks for the clarification.  I was trying to remember 3 different peoples replies all in one reply. :confused::

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5497745 - 04/09/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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How else is spirit/consciousness going to show you things unless it floods your brain with chemicals that will allow you to see its symbolic pictures, or comprehend something from a higher view. Just because chemicals are flooding the systems that bring the physical experiential results, doesn't mean spirit/higher consciounsess isn't involved




Excelent, I never thought of it that way.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5498880 - 04/10/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The problem with mystical expirence is that it is contradictory towards others mystical expirences. There is no way to validate which one is the correct one.

Not to mention, like mythological creatures, NDE's, and other subjective forced expirences, they seem to change with the times and culture. For example, people abducted by aliens in the 50's would be abducted by strange being's (like moving tentacles, animal-like creatures), but people abducted today are commonly abducted by Gray's (humanoid beings). The difference between the two is not the expirence, but rather the culture and development of the two differing timeline's. The reason for the two difference's is the access of information has hastened. We now have immediate access (through internet, TV, magazine's, etc...) of other's abduction expirences. Where as before (the 1950's) it was mostly dictated by comic books and less sophisticated forms of media (such as radio, old film strips).

Same with NDE's, mystical expirences, etc... This is all reflected through hisotory. In fact, I recall reading about a doctor (Wilder Penfield), during surgery, who would stimulate certain parts of the brain with electricity causing "mystical" expirences to occur to the patient. Some people see gods and godesses, some people see white light and hear music, some people have OBE's, some people see a human god. Its all subjective based on belief and past expirence.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5499534 - 04/10/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome post, thanks! :heart:

But people invite their own critics. From a Buddist stand point, it's all different levels of avidya. Who's got more, the mystic with a belief or the critic? :smile:

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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: psyka]
    #5499757 - 04/10/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for letting me know, you got a new perspective on that DvG! :smile:

Psyka, I don't think there is such a thing as a "correct" mystical experience. :confused: They are like living abstract art. Is there such a thing as correct abstract art?

Though they are subjectively experienced and interpreted, there are many people have shared in common.

I wrote in another post how I know some average, no name Joe's who communicate with a discarnate being they say calls himself Metatron. Then I saw Carlos Santana being interviewed on TV after his second to last CD release saying he was visited by a being who called himself Metetron, who helped him to heal from sexual abuse as a child and helped him with that CD to be a healing influence on people and taught him all sorts of other stuff. Then a few months ago, another friend said her 6 year old daughter told her about this giant angel who helps her with her homework, and makes her laugh. She told her mom he said his name sounded like memeton. Others who commune with this being say, he does appear Large and is funny. None of these people are aware of each other or talk to each other. Explain that?

Some seem to have common links that give some objectivity to them.

A moment of inspiration can be a mystical experience to me. Though what inspires me and what ideas come from it are different, the mechanism of an inspired moment remains the same.

Ever get that feeling where "you see something and then immediately feel transported to another place in consciousness, where ideas drop in from out of no where. Then you feel a rush of excited energy that moves you to act on making them happen". Thats what an inspired moment is like for me and I bet many others would describe the mechanism to be the same.
Inspired, In spirit
Inspiration, In spirit action

I think our chemical biology is set up to give us ways to commune with spirit/higher consciousness. It seems to come in individual waves, and waves that effect groups of people at a time.


Regarding cultural changes, consider this passage I found last night looking up the video form I need to know for my next TKD test. I thought it was funny since I came across it a few hours after I typed that I, work with the word Universe.

The universe is constantly changing and so it is the ultimate creative energy

If a universal creative intelligence was working with us, it would make more sense, if it used symbols that were congruent with changing cultural norms. That would be akin to speaking the current language symbolically. Yet, universal ones remain, like being touched by love and warmth.


In addition, considering the universe itself is a changing dynamic, it too will reflect its changes when working with us.

It's a symbiotic relationship like any other where change is taking place.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: Rahz]
    #5499861 - 04/10/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Awesome post, thanks! :heart:

But people invite their own critics. From a Buddist stand point, it's all different levels of avidya. Who's got more, the mystic with a belief or the critic? :smile:

Rahz




You're welcome :smile: 

To your quote, I say, Symbiosis at play!

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    #5499930 - 04/10/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You might find this interesting, but it distinctly represents where our thoughts divide and branch out in different paths. I've been listening and playing along with Santana all morning, and I haven't done that in a very long time (maybe a year and a half). And now, you talk about Santana. Where I see coincidence another might see synchronicity. Where I see mathematics at work, I guess others see god. Where other's might say it cannot be explained, I say it is not yet understood. We are divinity manifesting itself... and divinity is an empty word; completely void of meaning (that statement is mystical, or critical, depending on the perspective of which it is read).

Its the thin line that needs to be distinguished and acknowledged... otherwise people become brainwashed fools believing every hallucination that enters their minds. Objectivity and subjectivity are both important. Your feelings are needed to be human, and your rational is needed to progress.

And I already explained the Metatron thing. Just do a google search. "Results 1 - 10 of about 810,000 for Metatron" Is it possible that these people accidently and passively read information of deities or Metatron's cube? It certainly isn't hidden knowledge. This is how dreams are formed. You passively store and submerge information in the sub-conscious and while you enter dream-state, this information emerges. To me, this explanation is more than plausible and highly probably based on the amount of information known.


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Re: Care to understand more? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5499965 - 04/10/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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That's more where I am at now with working with a higher intelligence then my own ego mind.



soundz good so far.

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When I get to caught up into narrowing my ego mind and things start going down hill, now I know, I have to let go some and make some more room for higher intelligence to make things better again.



OKEY DOKEY

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I wanted to make it there before dinner, and this cop car was holding back the traffic to the speed limit on I-10.



what YOU wanted is not ego-based - hmmmm.

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I was making great time doing 90-95



circumventing societal laws put their for the safety of ALL cannot compare to your egotisitcal 'need' to arrive someplace at a specifick time. very advanced.

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I said, "Universe, thank you for creating a reason to get the cop to pull off this road and getting me there quick and safe." Then, I started charging up the feeling of appreciation and within a few minutes, I passed him by while he was pulling over to help a stranded driver.



screw the stranded motorist. "dear gawd make him have a breakdown so that I can speed to MY destination possibly endangering others and then brag about being ego-free."


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