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Weed ruins the mood
    #5495814 - 04/09/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Let's discuss a topic seldom talked about: the impact of people using weed on the cohesion of a group, part of which stays sober.

Imagine being at a party. Somebody whips out a bong and the weed goes round and round. All good and well for the ones who get high, but the people who choose to abstain often feel the mood of the party plummets if too much weed goes around.

People turn inward, talk less, are more referential and they more or less withdraw into an inner world which takes precedence over the social happening that is the party.

When alcohol and weed meet in relatively inexperienced people there often is sickness and vomitting.

What is your experience with "mixed" parties of "stoners" and "sobers"? Mention if you're a stoner or a sober in these matters.


It is my experience that once too much weed goes around among the stoners, the quality of conversation and social interactions rapidly diminish. The nonsmokers are more or less forced to withdraw in a group of their own because a roaring party gradually turns into a get-together of old folks: Its literally as if the stoners age sixty years once too much weed goes around :mad:

I've been a stoner myself, and I imbided heavily, but now that I'm clean of it (I do use LSD and such on occasion, but not weed4lyfe) i'm getting a whole different picture of what really happends if people decide to get stoned among people who do not. A little weed goes a long way to enhance the party, but it often leads to a LOT of weed and that, plain and simple, snuffs out the mood of the party for those who do not get high.

What are your experiences?


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5495827 - 04/09/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, in case you're wondering: Yes, I recently was at such a party. It wasn't that too much weed going around "diminished" the festivity: the party was taken out and shot, not by the stoners but by the influence of too much weed on the stoners, which they did not notice, could not help nor felt bad about. It all mattered not because they had their kicks :mad:


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5495838 - 04/09/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with you completely. As a stoner in those types of situations, I can easily tell that those who don't smoke feel left out. And, those who do smoke feel a sort of special bond. I think it creates a division between the high and the sober. If it's a party of mostly or only stoners, then I have no problem whipping out the bong, but if there's anything over 1/3 of people who don't smoke, I usually stay sober and hang out with the other sober people. I think it's quite rude to exclude them from the party, which although I understand it isn't intentional, it is exactly what happens.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5495877 - 04/09/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've seen alcohol have the same if not more of a dividing effect among people. Who wants to be the sober person around a bunch of drunk people? I can hang out with stoned people when I'm not high, but I find it much more difficult to relate to those who are drunk when I'm not.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: butane]
    #5495880 - 04/09/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Exactemundo!

It's not the "squares" creating an enclave of sobriety but rather it is the stoners which introduce the divide and create the polarity.

When at a party you derive a certain degree of satisfaction. When you are sober you "invest" in the people and get your satisfaction from interaction. When big Stone cometh however you invest mostly in the getting high and the satisfaction is internal.

Being really stoned generally means being really indifferent. Whether it is Sativa or Indica matters to some degree, but when its enough and especially when tobacco is added people withdraw.

The best thing that can happen to a party involving stoners is that the weed is tasty but not too strong. Once there is good strong ganja in the house, and a few hardcore stoners decide it's time to let go, it might as well be heroin going around :mad:

When I look back on my stoned years I feel a bit embarressed that I so casually dismissed the subtle dismay of nonsmokers.
Toking on a party can be very egotistical :blush:


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: peruvian spark]
    #5495886 - 04/09/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I can hang out with stoned people when I'm not high, but I find it much more difficult to relate to those who are drunk when I'm not.




It's a matter of degree.
Its my experience that it is far more common for stoners to smoke themselves near comatose than it is for drinkers to drink themselves to smittereens.
I see much more hard-toking than hard-drinking.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5495961 - 04/09/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Intresting topic.

For the most part, if I'm hanging out with people, we're all either blazing, or none of us are, so I'm not exactly very knowledgable, but I'll share my oppinion from the few experiences I've had.

Sometimes it's exactly as Wiccan said, and other times (often in a bigger less 'close' group) the people who don't blaze make fun of the people blazing. This happened to me and a few friends once, we blazed and the weed jokes never stopped, it was a real buzzkill.

So from my experience I either say do one or the other. Usually if I'm with people who aren't wanting to blaze, I figure they probably don't want to watch me or some of my other friends blazing anyhow, I know from experience (before I blazed) that it can be unconfterable for non-stoners to watch a bunch of people get high. So yeah, I agree that the social level of a group or party definatly goes down when some people blaze and some don't, it's like being on two different levels and doesn't always mix well.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5495992 - 04/09/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, a few minutes after the bong breaks out, the vibe is totally changed...


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5496028 - 04/09/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I always wondered about this.

My brother started smoking weed a few years before me. Him and about 5 or 6 of his friends would sit in the lounge smoking joints or bongs and I would be the only sober person, I would feel totally disconnected from what they were doing.

And on the other side, I was once the only stoned person sitting in a room with about 7 or 8 drunk people (they didn't know I was stoned). That's definitely not comfortable either.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5496030 - 04/09/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Eh, I guess what it comes down to is that there is a time and place for (almost) everything.  Sometimes marijuana can quelch social interaction, but sometimes alcohol can destroy true bonds. 

However, these social interactions are seemingly needed to create these true bonds... so I definitely see where you're coming from in this regard- pulling out the nug can most certainly interfere with these interactions at times.


I think smokers and drinkers alike need to be aware that sometimes you simply have to put the nug aside for the night... but similarly, sometimes a couple bongs floating around a large group is all the doctor ordered :smile:.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5496047 - 04/09/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I totally agree. I know this one guy who I hangout with sometimes, and he doesn't cheef because of medical reasons. He gets pissed whenever everybody else gets stoned and he is the only one drinking. It is a boring situation. Eventually there will be a head or 2 on the table passed out from so much weed. Weed isn't a good party drug. Weed is a more chillin with some people and have nothing to do kind of drug.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5496065 - 04/09/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

After the first fun year or so, weed should be done is small groups or alone because it does make you go kind of inward. I've had highs that made me the opposite, but more than that I just get too stoned to be talking to big groups of people.

Alcohol is better for a big party, with a lil weed here and there.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5496503 - 04/09/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Recently I was at a friend's harvest party, as the only person not partaking in the public stoning. So I popped some shrooms, only about 1.5 cuz I didn't want to get *really* weird with all these blank-faced stoners around.

Ended up having a great time. I noticed the stereotypical die-down of convo once people got really blazed, but whoever I talked to sorta fed off my energy and I ended up having really good, philosophical conversations with a few people. I was acting all zany and animated, speaking fluently and with energy, and I felt that the stoners were attracted to that. Jealous even?

Haha, some girl was scoping me out for the longest time, but I'm shy in the first place, and totally incapable of dealing with such a situation on shrooms. Not to mention, more interested in exploring ideas with people than thinking up mindless flirtation responses.

I'd like parties better if everyone did a low dose of shrooms instead of smoking herb and getting drunk...


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Hypercube]
    #5496663 - 04/09/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd like parties better if everyone did a low dose of shrooms instead of smoking herb and getting drunk...




It would be way more interesting and might lead to a literally *roaring* party, but not everyone can handle that.
It would be way deep too :thumbup:


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5496940 - 04/09/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know, I've had a lot of success when my roommates and I throw parties by creating the divide before any substance is used. The weed is on the second floor and the booze is in the basement...people go to their respective parts of the house depending on what they are looking for and then after a while people go to the first floor and mingle. It tends to work out quite well.


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5496942 - 04/09/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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beatnicknick said:
After the first fun year or so, weed should be done is small groups or alone because it does make you go kind of inward. I've had highs that made me the opposite, but more than that I just get too stoned to be talking to big groups of people.

Alcohol is better for a big party, with a lil weed here and there.




i agree!

for me that kind social interaction while stoned is often very hard!
i tend to get uptight or read too much into what people say...
i end up sitting there staring/analizing everything insted of talking or whatever it is people do :smirk:

weed is indeed a drug for sitting with a few close freinds and having nothing to do... or taking a walk... or drawing/dancing/listening to music/exploring your inner mind...

lazing on the beach...

too much too often usualy ends up not being fun at all!


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Simisu]
    #5496965 - 04/09/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i hope i get the chance to go to a party with everyone on half an eighth.  that would probably be the most tripped out awesome experience ever.  id prolly eat more like an eighth myself however :smile:


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: pong]
    #5496981 - 04/09/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i hope i get the chance to go to a party with everyone on half an eighth. that would probably be the most tripped out awesome experience ever. id prolly eat more like an eighth myself however





I'll take 1/10 of your dose, with lemon :thumbup:


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: Asante]
    #5496994 - 04/09/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how long does that usualy last for you?


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Re: Weed ruins the mood [Re: pong]
    #5497009 - 04/09/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would say this is true for certain types of people who are of the party not partaking in smoking. I have friends that are cool with other people smoking but then if I smoke with one of my brothers, around our other brother, it's easy to see he doesn't like it. My non-smoking brother isn't against it, he has smoked before, but I think the pot smoker's inside jokes gets to him. I've also felt weird seeing people I respected just getting torn up.

I always want to talk to people stoned, but I'm afraid that I'm replying way to late or way too soon and all that so a lot of times I end up saying nothing at all.

I would say there's almost no problem with drinking and sober people. I know plenty of people that have a great time not drinking. I've been a little irritated at times just because drunk people can be obnoxious, but other than that drunk people can be kinda fun to be around.


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