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Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial * 1
    #5495566 - 04/09/06 04:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)



I came across this vial by unusual chance. It's pharmaceutical mescaline sulphate from Merck. Very happy, of course (especially since I got it for free), but I still have a few questions.

This vial probably dates from 30 or 40 years back. It has been stored in dry and dark conditions at room temperature. Does anyone know if it's a stable compound and if I can take it as if it was brand new? Could it have lost some of its potency? Am I taking any kind of risk here?

Thanks for helping out.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5495571 - 04/09/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If it is the original Mescaline sulfate, stored dry and dark, its still every bit as good as it has been.

Make sure nobody put another powder in there.

But really, would you want to use it? It's a relic of psychedelic science. I think it could be much older than 30-40 years. They still use latinifications of the chemical name on the label, the chemical companies houses have long since stopped doing that.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
    #5495636 - 04/09/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

don't be using that shit up. Keep it as a sacrament, man. Have one dose and pass it on to your kids telling them to do the same.

Or just lock it up and keep it until you're really old and have it in your dying hours lol...
damned good, find though!


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
    #5495756 - 04/09/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Make sure nobody put another powder in there.


The vial is sealed and the seal looks original. Besides, I got it from a retired psychologist who had access to it back in the day, and I trust him completely.

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But really, would you want to use it? It's a relic of psychedelic science. I think it could be much older than 30-40 years. They still use latinifications of the chemical name on the label, the chemical companies houses have long since stopped doing that.


I guess it's not much older than that, since the guy got it in the late sixties (so it's in fact about 40 years old), and it was probably recent at the time.
Also, he's asked me for a trip report, so who am I to decide to keep it intact?

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don't be using that shit up. Keep it as a sacrament, man. Have one dose and pass it on to your kids telling them to do the same.


If I open the vial, I suspect it's best to use it up. Once opened, I don't know if it would keep for another 30 years.

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xk3m_indica said:
Or just lock it up and keep it until you're really old and have it in your dying hours lol...


That's a good idea though. I know he has another 1g vial (they're both 1g BTW) of mescaline hydrochloride. I'm sure he would give it to me if the first vial proves usable. I might keep that one for a Huxley impersonation.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5495762 - 04/09/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1 gr vial :P

You could use it like so:

200mg
300mg
500mg

so three doses thereof. Or you can get together with two friends and split it in 3.

Don't count on getting the other vial. Make this one count.

Mescaline sulfate ought to be stable indefinitely if kept dry and dark.

Remember mescaline tends to make you puke. Don't be careless and ralph up 40yo mesc! Make sure the moment is absolutely right and divine. Its not just mescaline but its part of THE mescaline that made the Psychedelic Revolution happen.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
    #5495881 - 04/09/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just me but I wouldn't take anything less than 300mg. It'd just be a waste.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5495906 - 04/09/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The 200 would be a pilot to test the waters.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
    #5495926 - 04/09/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
    #5495932 - 04/09/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

less then 300 is a waste.
but great item to have.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5495933 - 04/09/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's quite a find you've got there. I've always wanted to try mescaline. What I'm curious to find out is whether or not there's any sort of difference between the sulfate and the hydrochloride. Let us know what happens!


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
    #5495958 - 04/09/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it




I highly doubt that this is true.
The DEA wouldn't give a rat's ass how old it was,
Or of it was opened or not.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5495984 - 04/09/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The only difference that is chemically between the two is the salt ion it is bonded to.. there shouldnt be any noticable difference in your reaction to either as the mescaline is the reactive agent in the compound.. and sulfate and chloride ions are just used to make unstable compounds into stable compounds. (the only way you would have a different reaction to the sulfate or chloride is if you are allergic to sulfa drugs or sulfer)


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5495993 - 04/09/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't even bother taking it or opening it unless I had access to a MC/GS test.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
    #5496555 - 04/09/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it


Since I don't live in the US, I don't have to worry about the DEA... yet.

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I wouldn't even bother taking it or opening it unless I had access to a MC/GS test.


The MC/GS test being...?


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5496795 - 04/09/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Typo :grin: Mass Spectrometry/Gas Chromatography. Identifies the composition of the sample.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Mezcal]
    #5496900 - 04/09/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any reason to assume instability of the compound under favorable preservation conditions?
And do you think there's a risk involved (worse than just staying sober)?


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5496971 - 04/09/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Unless you've got personal knowledge of how it's been stored (hopefully anhydrous conditions, refrigerated) then it may become inactive. I doubt there's any possibility it would become poisonous.

For me though, I'd consider it more valuable in a sealed ampule than in my brain. Mostly because of the common availability of mescaline containing cacti. :smile:


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Mezcal]
    #5497020 - 04/09/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

WOW coool what an awesome thing to have.

save it for the perfect opportunity. make that trip a special one man.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: pong]
    #5497199 - 04/09/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

as mentioned before the only diffrence between mescaline hcl and mescaline sulfate is the ion its bonded to, however he left out one important factor. mescaline sulfate is about 15% heavier then mescaline hcl thus the dose sensativity is increased. theres more information on this on the erowid website and i recomend that you review it. as previously said if it was stored properly there should be no problems with it. worst case scenario nothing happens though unless it was exposed to elements it shouldnt have this should not be the case.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5497656 - 04/09/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, honestly... I love mescaline, but I'd never actually take what is inside of that vial. It is such a rare historical item. Myself I'd add it to my drug collection. (I'm trying to get a collection of aesthetically acceptable samples of many drugs and put together a curio collection, never to be depleted by use of the drugs).

Mescaline isn't hard to get ahold of, but authentic pharmaceutical mescaline is mind-numbingly difficult to find. And, if people use it when they find it, it will eventually no longer exist.

Save that vial, preserve it for history's sake. Hell, give it to someone like me and get some recently manufactured mescaline in exchange for it. That can be taken, is still potent, and isn't a thing to be treasured and preserved.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Konnrade]
    #5498060 - 04/09/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you should just take a little bit for tastes. just to make sure its genuine :-P any idea how many doses you can get out of it?


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5498074 - 04/09/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

3 doses max from 1g of mescaline.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5498623 - 04/10/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: A0999]
    #5499180 - 04/10/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The best way to authenticate it, given your concerns, would be to take a very good look at the paper on the label.

Clearly, the paper looks yellowed, because that's what paper does with age. A good way to tell if it was a fake would be to take a good close look and see if that yellowing was intentionally caused somehow in order to artificially distress the label to give the appearance of being older than it really is.

The paper should also be brittle and stiff if it's actually as old as it should be.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Konnrade]
    #5499215 - 04/10/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That my friend is an awesome find. The guy who gave it to you is a really nice guy. And although he is asking you for a trip report, I like many of the people on here recommend you do NOT take that man. That is such a historical thing to have. I would keep that in a drug collection. But its all up to you, I'd first try to find some new mescaline around your area.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Konnrade]
    #5499453 - 04/10/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i would try to get a hold of some pictures and maybe look up some of the numbers on the label if there are any.

just doesnt seem right that they would distribute a powder in a vial like that. dont you think they would use a screw top vial?


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: A0999]
    #5499478 - 04/10/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No.

I've encountered numerous pharms which were packaged that way.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: badchad]
    #5499498 - 04/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

as have i. none of which were in powder form.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: A0999]
    #5499504 - 04/10/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats what I meant (powdered form).


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: badchad]
    #5499518 - 04/10/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

such as?


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: A0999]
    #5499754 - 04/10/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Such as:

3-tropanyl-3,5-dichlorobenzoate and
rauwolscine

Neither of which are recreational or psychedelic, but used in research. It's a method of packaging. I agree it's not common for powdered or crystalline substances; but it does occur.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: badchad] * 1
    #5499958 - 04/10/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just to clear up some of the questioning, I took a few more pics. They're not great, but good enough for the purpose.


As you can see, I got it in its original wax paper. It was even a little bit sticky from remaining folded for so long, I tore it somewhat when I opened it (see bottom right).


As you can see, the lid is not a self-healing needle pad, it's an old metal seal. If you look carefully, you can see a litte arrow pointing right, to where it should be opened. You can see the opening mark in the previous pic on the side of the lid.


And that's the batch number or whatever. It reads 70936446, but I wonder where I could find references.

As to opening it or not, I prefer the idea of experiencing rather than collecting/having. And if I take the mescaline, I promise I won't eat the container.
I recently inherited very expensive wines. I chose to sell them instead of keeping them. I don't like the idea of drinking a bottle worth $500, because I know I'm not enough of a wine enthusiast; and I'm not interested in keeping them just for the sake of having them. As for mescaline, I think I know how to appreciate that for what it's worth...

I promise I'll keep it for a very special occasion.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #5500190 - 04/10/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok that makes more since now, i guess i have just never seen that b4.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #7891999 - 01/17/08 07:40 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Your first trip will be the most intense one ever, so do a large amount the first time. Do not assay it with a smaller dose. Let your mind breath for once the perfectly fresh air of inspiration.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: eve69]
    #7892014 - 01/17/08 07:50 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

This guy probably managed to get around to taking his mescaline sometime within the TWO YEARS since anyone posted on this thread...

I would love to hear what happened though.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7892020 - 01/17/08 07:55 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I want an empty bottle soooo bad :sad:

That would be a gem in anyones collection of drug related stuff.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Robo]
    #7892088 - 01/17/08 08:35 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I keep my Mescaline HCl in amber vials rather like that one.

I need to buy more vials, actually... sadly I'm not sure where to find them.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Konnrade]
    #7892096 - 01/17/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I buy incense oils that come in amber vials, clean them out when I finish burning all the oil, and use them for the same thing.

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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Robo]
    #7892181 - 01/17/08 09:16 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

There is an herb shop down the street from me that sells all sorts of little glass bottles and vials for really cheap. Try an herb store or a big health food store.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Ekstaza]
    #7892986 - 01/17/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Just me but I wouldn't take anything less than 300mg. It'd just be a waste.




Well, I know you do alkaloid extractions but an extraction is the mescaline plus other chemicals. Pure sulfate will be stronger, though I think 200mg is pretty low.


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
    #21686936 - 05/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

WOW, how did I miss this?  This is an incredible find!  A psychedelic collector's item beyond rarity.  Aldous, did you take some?  If so, how did it go?  I kinda hope you didn't, but I kinda hope you did.  Either way, please do tell! 

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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21687059 - 05/16/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Assuming its legit have you any idea what something like that would actually be worth to underground collectors? If such people even exist! I'm not sure if drugs like this work in the same way as antiques do (?) but I'd imagine so.

I wouldn't take it, as a mescaline experience is not that difficult to come by.

Then again fuck it take the mescaline and fill it up with water afterwards! Still looks exactly the same on your shelf after all and you'll at least have the memories and bottle to commemorate the trips!

How on earth did you manage to get a hold of this?


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    #21687072 - 05/16/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

AH old thread! SO thats why they annoy people!


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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: wolf8312]
    #21687298 - 05/16/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

He still posts here occasionally.  We can find out what he decided to do with it.  And if you go back into the thread, he explains how he got it. 

But it's impossible to really know what it's worth, since you can't advertise being in possession of a vial of a schedule 1 substance.  But just judging by how much people pay for rare legal psychedelic memorabilia on Ebay, it's worth THOUSANDS.  The jar itself would bring a pretty penny, but the fact that it was/is still sealed would skyrocket its value.  Not sure if you're familiar with vintage toy collecting, but I just looked up a random vintage action figure from the 1980's on Ebay.  A loose version was $4.00.  A version of the same toy still sealed in its package was $450.00.  This mescaline sulfate bottle is kinda the reverse.  With action figures, people expect to see the product and not the package.  With vintage drug containers, people expect to see the package and not the product.  This mescaline bottle from the 1960's, which is in amazing conditon, has/had both.  I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but I'll bet if you found the right buyer, you could get $20,000 for it. 

















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