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Aldous
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Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial 1
#5495566 - 04/09/06 04:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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 I came across this vial by unusual chance. It's pharmaceutical mescaline sulphate from Merck. Very happy, of course (especially since I got it for free), but I still have a few questions. This vial probably dates from 30 or 40 years back. It has been stored in dry and dark conditions at room temperature. Does anyone know if it's a stable compound and if I can take it as if it was brand new? Could it have lost some of its potency? Am I taking any kind of risk here? Thanks for helping out.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5495571 - 04/09/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If it is the original Mescaline sulfate, stored dry and dark, its still every bit as good as it has been.
Make sure nobody put another powder in there.
But really, would you want to use it? It's a relic of psychedelic science. I think it could be much older than 30-40 years. They still use latinifications of the chemical name on the label, the chemical companies houses have long since stopped doing that.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
#5495636 - 04/09/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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don't be using that shit up. Keep it as a sacrament, man. Have one dose and pass it on to your kids telling them to do the same.
Or just lock it up and keep it until you're really old and have it in your dying hours lol... damned good, find though!
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
#5495756 - 04/09/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Make sure nobody put another powder in there.
The vial is sealed and the seal looks original. Besides, I got it from a retired psychologist who had access to it back in the day, and I trust him completely.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: But really, would you want to use it? It's a relic of psychedelic science. I think it could be much older than 30-40 years. They still use latinifications of the chemical name on the label, the chemical companies houses have long since stopped doing that.
I guess it's not much older than that, since the guy got it in the late sixties (so it's in fact about 40 years old), and it was probably recent at the time. Also, he's asked me for a trip report, so who am I to decide to keep it intact?
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xk3m_indica said: don't be using that shit up. Keep it as a sacrament, man. Have one dose and pass it on to your kids telling them to do the same.
If I open the vial, I suspect it's best to use it up. Once opened, I don't know if it would keep for another 30 years.
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xk3m_indica said: Or just lock it up and keep it until you're really old and have it in your dying hours lol...
That's a good idea though. I know he has another 1g vial (they're both 1g BTW) of mescaline hydrochloride. I'm sure he would give it to me if the first vial proves usable. I might keep that one for a Huxley impersonation.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5495762 - 04/09/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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1 gr vial :P
You could use it like so:
200mg 300mg 500mg
so three doses thereof. Or you can get together with two friends and split it in 3.
Don't count on getting the other vial. Make this one count.
Mescaline sulfate ought to be stable indefinitely if kept dry and dark.
Remember mescaline tends to make you puke. Don't be careless and ralph up 40yo mesc! Make sure the moment is absolutely right and divine. Its not just mescaline but its part of THE mescaline that made the Psychedelic Revolution happen.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
#5495881 - 04/09/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just me but I wouldn't take anything less than 300mg. It'd just be a waste.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Ekstaza]
#5495906 - 04/09/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The 200 would be a pilot to test the waters.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Asante]
#5495926 - 04/09/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
#5495932 - 04/09/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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less then 300 is a waste. but great item to have.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5495933 - 04/09/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's quite a find you've got there. I've always wanted to try mescaline. What I'm curious to find out is whether or not there's any sort of difference between the sulfate and the hydrochloride. Let us know what happens!
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
#5495958 - 04/09/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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trauma47645 said: Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it
I highly doubt that this is true. The DEA wouldn't give a rat's ass how old it was, Or of it was opened or not.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Ekstaza]
#5495984 - 04/09/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only difference that is chemically between the two is the salt ion it is bonded to.. there shouldnt be any noticable difference in your reaction to either as the mescaline is the reactive agent in the compound.. and sulfate and chloride ions are just used to make unstable compounds into stable compounds. (the only way you would have a different reaction to the sulfate or chloride is if you are allergic to sulfa drugs or sulfer)
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5495993 - 04/09/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't even bother taking it or opening it unless I had access to a MC/GS test.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: trauma47645]
#5496555 - 04/09/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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trauma47645 said: Just FYI the DEA cant screw with you as long as the bottle is intact and sealed.. It is a historic artifact in that condition. The second you open that bottle they can nail you on a whole slew of charges so just be wise with how you deal with it
Since I don't live in the US, I don't have to worry about the DEA... yet.
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snyder said: I wouldn't even bother taking it or opening it unless I had access to a MC/GS test.
The MC/GS test being...?
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5496795 - 04/09/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Typo Mass Spectrometry/Gas Chromatography. Identifies the composition of the sample.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Mezcal]
#5496900 - 04/09/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have any reason to assume instability of the compound under favorable preservation conditions? And do you think there's a risk involved (worse than just staying sober)?
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5496971 - 04/09/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unless you've got personal knowledge of how it's been stored (hopefully anhydrous conditions, refrigerated) then it may become inactive. I doubt there's any possibility it would become poisonous.
For me though, I'd consider it more valuable in a sealed ampule than in my brain. Mostly because of the common availability of mescaline containing cacti.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Mezcal]
#5497020 - 04/09/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WOW coool what an awesome thing to have.
save it for the perfect opportunity. make that trip a special one man.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: pong]
#5497199 - 04/09/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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as mentioned before the only diffrence between mescaline hcl and mescaline sulfate is the ion its bonded to, however he left out one important factor. mescaline sulfate is about 15% heavier then mescaline hcl thus the dose sensativity is increased. theres more information on this on the erowid website and i recomend that you review it. as previously said if it was stored properly there should be no problems with it. worst case scenario nothing happens though unless it was exposed to elements it shouldnt have this should not be the case.
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Re: Vintage pharmaceutical mescaline vial [Re: Aldous]
#5497656 - 04/09/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, honestly... I love mescaline, but I'd never actually take what is inside of that vial. It is such a rare historical item. Myself I'd add it to my drug collection. (I'm trying to get a collection of aesthetically acceptable samples of many drugs and put together a curio collection, never to be depleted by use of the drugs).
Mescaline isn't hard to get ahold of, but authentic pharmaceutical mescaline is mind-numbingly difficult to find. And, if people use it when they find it, it will eventually no longer exist.
Save that vial, preserve it for history's sake. Hell, give it to someone like me and get some recently manufactured mescaline in exchange for it. That can be taken, is still potent, and isn't a thing to be treasured and preserved.
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