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In general, how do you view psychedelics?
    #5495506 - 04/09/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pathways to some hidden meaning?

Just a way to have fun?

I simply can't accept them as anything else other than a way to destroy boredom


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5495519 - 04/09/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I view psychedelics as a catalyst to a spiritual experience nowadays. In the beginning for me yeah, it was nothing more then LSD fueled mayhem or so I though. Over time though I came to realize what I was actually experiencing. Ego-loss, brotherhood, the ability to look squarely at myself without pride or fear. IMO what else is that but a spiritual experience? So for me psychedelics are spiritual in nature. Of course your mileage can and will vary.

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I simply can't accept them as anything else other than a way to destroy boredom





If thats what you truly believe then Id say maybe you should find a more constructive way to deal with boredom.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5495520 - 04/09/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

tools, for a number of different reasons as different people take them.

They all have their little different qualitys that teach you something.

Whether its a positive life altering experience, or a terrible first trip that shows someone just how powerful drugs can be.

Every experience on LSD, psilocin, or MDxx i try to take something from it, otherwise its kinda pointless IMO.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: sui]
    #5495531 - 04/09/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I found mescaline an amazing way to help me understand the universe. The thing that sets it appart from just being a fun thing to do is that its also quite an intellectual experience.
I really love science - (I deplore the reasoning behind lots of religions), and I find that science and a mescaline trip don't contradict each other as many would think.
In my best ever trip, I thought about how the big bang created everything, and that after millions of years it will shrink back again - untill the next big bang. I realised that this process will continue infinitly - and that buying that pair of designer shoes isnt quite as important as it used to be. :laugh:

I also find that I can never look at a repeating pattern on say wallpaper - without thinking about the inherrent beauty within it - weird, but cool I spose. haha


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Feelers]
    #5495559 - 04/09/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I originally tried LSD because a relative of mine suffers with schizophrenia. I wanted to understand what she was / is going through.

Since then, i've used psychedelics as a way to enhance any experience that I would want to have a deep, long lasting impression of.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5495667 - 04/09/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Havent done mushrooms in about a year so im not sure my current view, but id agree with you on the "way to kill bordom". I did LSD yesterday, hadnt in over a year. Awesome experience nonetheless - as with any LSD trip. Its just a real cool way to experience a life - in a way, "to kill bordom", but more of a way to just step back from the norm, take a breather, and watch everything bend to your viewing pleasure. Still a bit out of it


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5495703 - 04/09/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)



This to me is the essence of psychedelics, and I have explored for over 13 years and over 100 sessions.

Psychedelics tend to greatly enhance aspects of your Self, and from these blowups can come revelations.

A magnifying glass can be used to look at the hidden worlds of the microscopic, or can be used to focus the sun's rays to chase and kill ants. You can also just look through it and pass the hours.

What you want to do with it is mostly up to you. Sometimes not, this is when the psychedelic makes you see that which you did not expect or want.

Mostly, your motivation makes it happen: Constructive, Destructive, Neutral motivations.

If you want to stave off boredom then use TMNT.
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon is excellent to stave off boredom. It will not activate your psychological problems or give you HPPD for life. It will not scatter your focus for days after the fact or predispose you to socially awkward situations or criminal persecution.

Seriously, if you want to stave off boredom the stakes are too high, and you may be slowly getting into a situation where you'll get more than you bargained for.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #5495752 - 04/09/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My first few trips seemed to show me more about life from a different point of view, a point of view that could look at a leaf and appreciate how amazing it was that that leaf originally started as a cell that grew into a plant that dropped that leaf and just smaller things like that, rather than constantly thinking about how frustrating people are, willing to sacrifice OTHER people's happiness and freedom just because it doesn't fit in to THEIR beliefs. The fact that the people who run the world don't give a shit about the other people living there, social issues, and a mild lingering depression.

Then the mushrooms introduced me to humility, something I would always avoid and something I'd get worked up about. Walking around in public in the summer absolute covered in sweat, all red faced and fidgeting with my hands and lighter constantly with people glancing at us and laughing kind of got me used to the idea of just blocking it out and accepting humility, also makes me wonder how we didn't get arrested or at least questioned by the police...

Lately my last couple trips I've found myself foccusing in on brain patterns, following thought signals until they're cut off and the thought is lost, etc and just generally trying to get a better understanding of myself mentally.

I guess to sum it up, I'd have to say that psychedelics are a teacher, and like any class, you have to be paying attention to learn anything...


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: StickyWater]
    #5495828 - 04/09/06 08:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I remember my first mushroom trip. I came into it just wanting to have fun and marvel at the hallucinations. I ate 1.75g, and an hour later I was overtaken by the true power of the mushroom. While the trip wasn't all that hard, it was a huge wake-up call to me. As I saw what I saw, I realized that the mushrooms themselves didn't contain these hallucinations. There's nothing written on the molecule that says, "this time you see ripples of color," "this time you see dancing patterns," "this time you harmonize with your environment." It all comes from within you!! The chemical is merely a catalyst, that unlocks the door to experiencing all your mind has to offer. I use tryptamines and phenethylamines now to get to know myself better. They're a tool, and not to be abused. Sure, you can use a hammer for fun by smashing stuff to bits, but it's really meant to hammer nails into wood. I think if you were to go into a trip with the mindset that you're going to learn something about yourself, you will experience a trip of a much different character than before, and you might just learn something. It would certainly be worth a try.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5496103 - 04/09/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Birds_Can_Swim said:
Pathways to some hidden meaning?

Just a way to have fun?

I simply can't accept them as anything else other than a way to destroy boredom




for me id say 1 and 2...i can deal with 3 by getting involved with my hobbies.
if im trippin with others its usually 2
if im trippin alone its definitely 1
i prefer 1


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: hIgHdRoLoVeR]
    #5496456 - 04/09/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

psychadelics are a tool for exploring the universe and one's consciounsess in relation to it. they are tools for spiritual, scientific, artistic discovery, therapuetic.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5496737 - 04/09/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I view them as a different perspective. When I'm thinking on shrooms I think clearly no Prejudices or BIAS just anything goes pretty much.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5496759 - 04/09/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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psychadelics are a tool for exploring the universe and one's consciounsess in relation to it.  they are tools for spiritual, scientific, artistic discovery, therapuetic.




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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5496769 - 04/09/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In general: a new way to expierence life.

Some trips may be fun, some trips may be spiritual, some trips may just be a fucked up time, some trips may be laughs with friends, other trips may be trapped in my own mind and deep self reflection. Regardless of why I am tripping (fun/recreation, self-exploration/spirtual reasons) psychedelics allow me to do / expierence in a way that I cant while sober.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: kaniz]
    #5497062 - 04/09/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i take drugs because i want to find out about my subjective expiriance of life

i have yet to really trip (soon though) but i'm hoping to gain some insight on that subject and then... i dunno...
i'll have to get back to you on that :grin:


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Simisu]
    #5497155 - 04/09/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

TOOLS TO HELP REALIZE WHAT THE FUCK IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!

If you talk to a very wise person, they will tell you things that you would also realise with the help of psychedelics.

Psychedelics are a pathway to see truths, but it never creates them.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5497184 - 04/09/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is how I like to explain the psychedelic experience. It is as though you have your whole being shoved into a blender, then applying a microscope to what remains.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5497681 - 04/09/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I view them as a drug. I see them in the same category as morphine, acutane, pennicilin, prozac, and advil.

That is, they can do very beneficial and constructive things, if they are used in the right way. They have a series of effects that they can be used responsibly to acheive, yet if they are misused they (like any other drug) can be harmful and/or cause undesired effects.

Now, psychedellics are a particularly powerful drug, but they are a drug nonetheless. I view them in no mystical or superstitious light, because there's nothing mystical about them. Their effects can be somewhat mystical, but that's primarily due to the mystical nature of the thing that they act upon: the human mind.

Also, I might add this: Just as pain releif can be acheived without painkillers, any effect that is gleaned through use of psychedellics could have been acheived entirely without them.

There is no thing on this earth that can be done with drugs that cannot be done without them.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5497850 - 04/09/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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TOOLS TO HELP REALIZE WHAT THE FUCK IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!

If you talk to a very wise person, they will tell you things that you would also realise with the help of psychedelics.

Psychedelics are a pathway to see truths, but it never creates them.




perfect explanation, thats how i see them also


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Gratos]
    #5497887 - 04/09/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I view psychedelics as a catalyst to a spiritual experience nowadays. In the beginning for me yeah, it was nothing more then LSD fueled mayhem or so I though. Over time though I came to realize what I was actually experiencing. Ego-loss, brotherhood, the ability to look squarely at myself without pride or fear. IMO what else is that but a spiritual experience? So for me psychedelics are spiritual in nature. Of course your mileage can and will vary.





Quoted for truth. I view psychedellics as a catalyst to a spiritual experience. Not neccesarily the recipe for a spiritual experience, however.


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Re: In general, how do you view psychedelics? [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
    #5497985 - 04/09/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can use them at different times, and for different reasons. However "valid" you want those reasons to be is ultimately your decision.
Sometimes you want to perform a sacred ritual, and sometimes you're watching CNN when you remember that you just ate 10 grams of mushrooms and those kids gotta get to school!

They are powerful tools, though -- so you shouldn't degrinate the importance of the experience by making it something "routine."


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