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OfflineKaleidoscope
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Just a feeling
    #5495283 - 04/09/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, so I've read reports of people who have been tripping on various psychedelics and feeling like they've been "woken up" or are finally seeing things right for the first time. It seem's like anything I try, be it shrooms, LSD, 2C-E, 2C-I, I feel like I'm asleep eventually, like I'm lucid dreaming. I always have the common sense to be careful and not try to do anything stupid but I'm wondering if this is normal or if anyone else ever feels like this. I always learn a lot but because it feels like a dream, I'm always scared to trust what I think up and realize...like they are some sort of delusion, some insane nonsense that just isn't correct, just one more step towards insanity. I'm afraid that this stuff I feel and think, well, I'm afraid sometimes that it's just completely wrong and I'm putting full stock in it...

I'm not sure how much I like feeling like the only people who understand what I'm getting at are people who do these things too...Maybe because I'm getting so close to the truth of things as far as the way I explain the actual way things work to myself the more scared I am of that knowlege. I don't know what it is, but it seems like the more I try to use shrooms, or anything else like them for that matter, to help me make sense of the world the more they give me, and it always seems right, these ideas that I'm afraid just aren't correct.

Is it really a good idea to base parts of your principles on what you realized on drugs? Can I trust them?


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5495330 - 04/09/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im happy you are thinking about this
in actuality, letting yourself fully step into what youre experiencing is no threat to your grip on reality
just realize that what you have gained/lost from the experience is just that. your experience.
hopefully letting yourself fall into the machinations of your mind will help to expand it.
be safe and happy tripping


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5495347 - 04/09/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is it really a good idea to base parts of your principles on what you realized on drugs? Can I trust them?

That is a very hard question to ask. What should you base your principles on? You should base them on what you think... If you think drugs help do it.

When using shrooms you are only merely opening up another sense that is not present when you are not on them. WOW this is real hard to explain. I guess everyone has there own opinions.

I think you should base them on what you think even if it's drug induced. If you listen to other people and base them on that then that is not what you think is right.

Bet you don't know what i'm saying lol. It's all bunched up in my head right now.


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: time2]
    #5495364 - 04/09/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah...I'm mean...there is no way in hell that everyone feels the way i do or could answer this for me...but you know, I just had a trip friday. A light one at that, and I couldn't help but wonder why I put so much stock in things that I come to in a state where if permanant would considered a mental disorder. I don't know, maybe it's time to give this stuff a break for a while...I think i may have tried to learn too much at once, tried to rush it. This last trip was just really strange because it so different in the way it felt and the kinds of things it showed me that it seems in stark contrast with what i already thought I knew from my previous experiences.


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5495391 - 04/09/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

pleas help me to understand what you are saying.
from what i gather: you feel as though you have had a firm grasp on reality. the mushrooms altered you perception and you feel as though you are starting to believe that this altered reality is starting to take over for what you originally thought was reality?
imo thats what psychedelics do. they alter your perception of reality. so that you see it in a different light. i believe this is not meant to take over or replace reality but rather to give you insight as a result of seeing reality from a different point of view. i feel as though my trips should never be taken as fact about reality. in my mind what is real is real. what happens in a trip is just that, what happened in a trip. never confuse whats happening in a trip with reality. its only a altered perception of it.  :mushroom2:on


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: hIgHdRoLoVeR]
    #5495400 - 04/09/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see hallucinations or anything when I'm not tripping and I don't feel like a different person, I just feel that when I trip, I either stay in reality and just get a different version of it or I'm just completely out of this world...all depends on a lot of things. It's the stuff that i learn about really really deep stuff like religion and what I think is the answer to some un knowns that worries me...I guess I'm just afraid I might go nuts, like each trip is a trip down the rabbit hole, and each time I never come the whole way back out. Like I said, it may be time for me to give it a rest for a while..


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5495412 - 04/09/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you think you need to give it a rest do it... don't second guess yourself or you will be F'd. Just listen to what you think... maybe try it when you are ready. Study up find out what you really believe in.. then dose on shrooms and the stuff you know you really believe in may be come clearer


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: time2]
    #5495461 - 04/09/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

goood discussion here!


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: CLUTCH]
    #6662099 - 03/12/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think i know how you feel. My trips have become increasingly less epiphany-like. My first times I so amazed and put so much though and insight into my revelations I believed them like a religious person would to their holy book. My attitude has been that psychedelics show you this amazing world that most people are too afraid to experience, and that you will be able to find truth, ego-death or whatever you're striving for. But lately in my recent trips I have had doubts of what these chemicals are showing me, they are just chemicals. But when I consider this life feels almost hopeless in the sense that if psychedelics can't show me truth, what can? But then I guess your own truth is what you make of it. Maybe we do all just create our own realities. I dont want to think psychedelics contain fallacys, but I'm realizing its a possibility.


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: Drise]
    #6662130 - 03/12/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Im in the same position as you.

Your mind is fresh, and your exploring parts of it, some parts with drugs and then some parts not with drugs.

In my view drugs are a different angle of perception of reality, you see things in a different or new light and when you return you try and ... conceptualize your experience into a language you can understand.
Keep moving forwards, read and research and take it one step at a time :smile:.

And most people who havent been in the psychedelic realms, cant understand it. experientially. and some people who have been there, still dont understand it.


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: blacksun]
    #6662182 - 03/12/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

two kinds of "realizations" can come from psychedelic or from dreams.

1. the meta level insight or aggregate meta vision from dawning thought synthesis.
this comes from continuity and sustained presence in a situation such that metaphorical near thoughts begin to solidify from "sensation" or confluent thoughts/memories.
(like nearly hearing a bicycle coming behind you silently and moving out of its way instinctively, or like perceiving the wisdom of generations that appreciate the gradual maturation of its offspring)

2. timeline disrupted thought and experiencing.
this includes deja vu, and other kinds of experiencing and thinking when cause and effect are disrupted as the mind dwells in various moments of past and present such that it creates a stream of being that has wandered asynchronously - actually hopped forward and backwards.
some logical impossibilities become extremely sensible with this but really have nothing more than a personal relevance to a personal experience through kinked up timespace.
When stoned or in dreams many moments are coincident and it is very easy to put one's attention forward backwards or sideways into alternate concurrent moments with no sense of which preceeds what.

the first of these actually has merit, but the second is just part of the rollercoaster ride.


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Re: Just a feeling [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6662295 - 03/12/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think at least the theory is that psychedelics amplify your thoughts, allowing you to experience thoughts that are normally unconscious. This perspective can certainly give you new insights, but I don't see it as offering "absolute truth" directly. I think its quite possible that our subconscious is in contact with other intelligence (collective consciousness or "god"). Even so, what we experience is going to be filtered through our own past and I doubt that (at least in most cases) trips produce anything like "instant enlightenment". To me tripping is like getting access to a vast new network (to use the computer analogy). There is knowledge out there, but it doesn't mean that the first thing you come across is absolute truth and the solution to all the world's problems.

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Re: Just a feeling [Re: AmericaOnLSD]
    #6662305 - 03/12/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

AOLSD.
thats a very very good post.


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