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I feel sorry for the kids of America
    #5494999 - 04/08/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah yeah, another drug propoagnda link... this time from the DEA/DOJ website.

<a href=" ht t p: //w w w.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/straight/lsd.htm" target="_blank"> ht t p ://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/straight/lsd.htm</a>


Edited by gdman (04/09/06 12:04 AM)


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: indica]
    #5495051 - 04/08/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Got a link that doesnt go to the DOJ?


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: Gratos]
    #5495124 - 04/08/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I learned that the effects of LSD can last for 12 hours - do you really want to lose control of your body and mind for that long?




lol... YES!

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Taking LSD is a real gamble. You never know when you're going to have a good or bad trip, whether you will see strawberries in the sky or whether devils will chase you down. Is this a game worth playing?




hmmm.. YES again!  whats wrong with both seeing strawberries in the sky AND devils chasing you?  sounds pretty sweet...  :crazy2:


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: kotik]
    #5495137 - 04/08/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Heh, you bet. Devils or Strawberries, either one would make for one heck of a trip. I long for some acid. I'm close to asking my parents where to get some. Fucking hippies need to share.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: kotik]
    #5495144 - 04/08/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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kotik said:
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I learned that the effects of LSD can last for 12 hours - do you really want to lose control of your body and mind for that long?




lol... YES!

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Taking LSD is a real gamble. You never know when you're going to have a good or bad trip, whether you will see strawberries in the sky or whether devils will chase you down. Is this a game worth playing?




hmmm.. YES again!  whats wrong with both seeing strawberries in the sky AND devils chasing you?  sounds pretty sweet...  :crazy2:




hehe, I understand wanting the bliss 12 hours or more but I personally got tired of it around hour 8. Me and my buds used to have a phrase we'd spew after a long powerful trip..."tired of it"

The other just sounds like the inane propaganda eternally spewed out by those who have an interest in people not opening their minds for whatever reason only they know.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: Gratos]
    #5495377 - 04/09/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The other just sounds like the inane propaganda eternally spewed out by those who have an interest in people not opening their minds for whatever reason only they know.




They don't understand what it's like to be on drugs, they think it's completely out of control and fucked up, they don't understand it so they fear it.

I've seen the site before, what can ya do other than expose it, laugh, and hope that someone comes to understand your point of view


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: StickyWater]
    #5495393 - 04/09/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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they don't understand it so they fear it.



:thumbup:

From dictionary.com;  Prejudice: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.

Thats pretty much what it comes down to. Prejudice, heh, never thought it would happen to me but...


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: Gratos]
    #5495423 - 04/09/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

a bad trip more often than not not usually comes from introspective view of ones' self, or taking a look INTO your life through the eye of an altered mind. These guys are just scared of finding out how unhappy with themselves and their lives they really are.

But then again, bad trips can just be from the overwhelming amount of sensory stimuli coming in, but all my bad trips have come from stepping outside the box and having a look.

They fail to outline the enjoyable, positive effects that LSD (among the other drugs listed on there) can have on a person.

Here are some of the listed 'physical' and mental effects:

"Depression, anxiety, fear, and panic." - I bet any DEA agent would get horribly depressed from finding out the horrible lie he's been living and have a really bad trip. Sucked in.

"Behavior that makes you think you can fly off buildings or walk in front of cars without getting hurt." - only one recorded case that I can think of. In no way a 'physical' effect. More people effected by alcohol die this way every day than people on LSD ever since it's synthesis.

"Feeling isolated and alone." - Yep. I rest my case.

"Rapid mood swings - laughing one minute and crying the next." - Who really gives a fuck? People who aren't on drugs (hormonal teenagers) go through this every day without drug, sheesh.

"Lack of muscular coordination." - seen and heard in public bars, parties, nightclubs and domestic scenes all around the world. Al-ca-hooool

"Incoherent speech. " - seen and heard in public bars, parties, nightclubs and domestic scenes all around the world. Al-ca-hooool

"How you perceive yourself and your surroundings are altered drastically. " - Often for all the right, beneficial reasons. (not in the hallucinatory sense, I'm talking about the personal view)

"Its effects are unpredictable. They depend on how much is taken, your mood, your personality, and your expectations. " - Is this really a bad thing?
The DEA is just plain fucked up. If this is the information that's coming from 'the top' of the democratic food chain, I feel so much pity for the millions of 'free' citizens of the US. Australia is much the same, but with far greater restrictions on drugs. (salvia, morning glory, RC's and whatnot)

Ah well, like you said, all we can do is point and laugh. These guys are out in the cold, we're inside having a party, and it's open invite...

EDIT:
I also found this on one of their pages:

"The abuse of hallucinogens in the United States received much public attention in the 1960s and 1970s. A subsequent decline in their use in the 1980s may be attributed to real or perceived hazards associated with taking these drugs. "

That is total bullshit. It is a result of the scare tactics used by the government to frighten people away from using their constitutional right to persue happiness. The DEA claims to outlaw these drugs for the protection of the people of America. If this were the case, they would class alcohol, cigarettes and many over-the-counter medications as Schedule I or II. It's a total bullshittery.
Why is it illegal to grow your own tobacco? Simple, they can't make profit off it and can't regulate the poisons they pour into it.
Why are LSD and mushrooms lumped in the same class as heroin? Well, because they can't make money off all that either.

Schedule I basically means: "Easily produced and distributed outside of government-owned factories/farms and should be immediately eliminated because, well, we can't make money off it. Phooey."
They couldn't give a fuck about the health risks to those who use it, they care because they can't make money off it and get jealous when they find out some guy in Topeka makes millions from producing am (almost entirely) harmless product (Apperson) and he clearly shows that he is in no way an 'evil drug lord', but heck, we can't make a buck... so throw the sucker in prison for life, that'll teach him to screw with us... heh

I also noted that they don't call people 'drug users', they call them 'drug abusers'

yeah, we're all drug abusers.

grrr makes me so maaaad


Edited by indica (04/09/06 02:07 AM)


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: indica]
    #5496649 - 04/09/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i feel sorry for them too, it sucks. i wish i grew up in the 60s and 70s i know its repeated alot but i just do. i feel like i could have fit in more, i am attending university right now im probbaly one of the only kids that enjoys tripping. everyone is into coke or ex or whatever fucks u up and just makes u feel good. i just hate the stigma your given for doing psychedelics. im known as the druggy weirdo cause i like to trip out but all the people who drink till they puke and blow nose candyt are the normal ones. eh whatever im glad i have this website


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: kotik]
    #5496975 - 04/09/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I learned that the effects of LSD can last for 12 hours - do you really want to lose control of your body and mind for that long?



Surgeon General's Warning: 12 hours of consensus-reality time may actually be an eternity in a shifting nonlinear dreamscape within the depths of your own mind where temporal dimensions cease to exist.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: Zorodius]
    #5497051 - 04/09/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well, i dunno guys...

everytime i do LSD, i have this nagging habit of always trying to fly off of tall buildings.

i'm glad i was high on LSD though, no way I could've grown wings to ease the fall otherwise.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: chuck_lanuck]
    #5497103 - 04/09/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ya'll crazy.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: Zorodius]
    #5497142 - 04/09/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The site is stupid. Consider this:

None of the effects lists show anything positive for any substance.
Intelligent non-drug user asks: "If drugs only do negative things, why do people choose to use them?"
Intelligent non-drug user says: "Someone is lying to me. I will have to find out for myself."
The opportunity arises.
Intelligent non-drug user smokes marijuana.
Nothing bad happens. In fact, the experience may even prove to be productive and thought provoking.
Intelligent marijuana user says: "Well, if they lied to me about marijuana, what else did they lie to me about?"

The DEA and DOJ have really shot themselves in the foot with that website.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: TurricaN]
    #5497282 - 04/09/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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TurricaN said:
The site is stupid. Consider this:

None of the effects lists show anything positive for any substance.
Intelligent non-drug user asks: "If drugs only do negative things, why do people choose to use them?"
Intelligent non-drug user says: "Someone is lying to me. I will have to find out for myself."
The opportunity arises.
Intelligent non-drug user smokes marijuana.
Nothing bad happens. In fact, the experience may even prove to be productive and thought provoking.
Intelligent marijuana user says: "Well, if they lied to me about marijuana, what else did they lie to me about?"

The DEA and DOJ have really shot themselves in the foot with that website.




You just hit the nail on the head. That's pretty much exactly what happened with me and my friends in high school. We wondered, "why the fuck is it even a problem if it's such a bad thing? Why would anyone ever want to do it if it really did all of this bad stuff?" After finding several of my favorite relatives who had been using assorted psychadelics for years without adverse effect, I gave it a try. Never looked back. I still question the motivation of the DEA for trying to make them all illegal. Is it really all just for money? That doesn't quite click for me; there has to be something more.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: butane]
    #5497333 - 04/09/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the dea works for our gov't. our gov't likes the way our capitalistic society works. our gov't is mostly Christian protestant run. they have the power they can enforce the order. psychelics put u in a place where there (gov't) rules and order make no sense and seem trivial. after coming out of an enlightening psychedelic episode people question society and government and religious ideals. our gov't that likes the way things are fears this, they do not want change, they do not want a revolution. therefore they demonize the psychedelic and place harsher penalties on lsd trafficing than on heroin or cocaine trafficing which are the substances that actually do ruin peoples lives. this is just a very broad idea of why THEY do not want US to go on these experiences. hope that helps butane. peace and love to all


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: LedHead]
    #5497444 - 04/09/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read an interesting article on the lycaeum about how mushrooms were most probably noted through the bible (http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10494) that makes some interesting points:

1: psychedelics were praised by the bible as gifts from god
2: christianity/islam/judaism is all based on a series of people messed up on hallucinogens
3: the messages from the bible have been severely warped to suit the needs of those who enforce them.

It is so obvious, and we all know and agree the the American governemtn is dirty in whatever way you think, and that it's got a huge shroud of secrecy over it, but people under it's thumb seem to say "well, I'm happy... so why change it". Fair enough, but you're governemtns retarded.


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: indica]
    #5497534 - 04/09/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

indica yeah the messages from bible have been severely warped... i.e. a God that is so judgemental and the need for clergy members


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Re: I feel sorry for the kids of America [Re: LedHead]
    #5497600 - 04/09/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the death penalty is playing god... so many arguments involved.
I suppose it's a good thing that things like salvia, morning glory, HBWR and all that are still legal. Plenty of legal alternatives that they are yet to seize and demonize as 'damaging, dangerous drugs that will lead to the demise of this country' (US)

such an evil fucking government


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