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Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight?
#5494280 - 04/08/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I ordered a gram of Salvia 10x extract online, and it came with a free sample of some non-standardized 6x extract. I decided I'd start small, and tried the 6x first. So, last night, I packed a bowl of Salvia and smoked it. The onset was incredibly fast, and incredibly powerful. My vision warped and twisted, sort of like it was turning what I was seeing into an entirely different universe, but using the building blocks of what I was seeing for real as the input. I started to freak out, and kept getting more and more scared. The hallucinations continued, so that I was not able to really process what I was seeing for what seemed like forever, but what in reality could not have been more than two or three minutes. I've never been so terrified in my life. I got the distinct impression that there was a separate universe out there, and that I was being sucked into it. I don't know why this was so frightening, but it was.
Just a few minutes ago, I decided to give the Salvia another go. I packed a bowl of the 6X, a little smaller than last time, and smoked it up. Again, the onset was incredibly fast, and powerful. I experienced almost the exact same thing as last time, except it wasn't quite so terrifying. It was still very frightening, however. The odd thing was, both times, the way the hallucinations twisted what I was seeing into another universe, and the way I felt like I was being sucked into it, was EXACTLY the same. I can't explain why, but I have this very distinct impression that there is a separate universe that the Salvia is trying to draw me into. And it was like there was someone or something waiting for me there, and it was this something that was trying to get me to come there. But, both times, I was insanely frightened of going to this other place. I can't decide what to do. Each time, during the experience, I'm so scared that I keep thinking of throwing all of the Salvia away, or selling it, or something. But, after the experience, I'm left curious as to what's there. I know that there's something there, and someone trying to show it to me, but I don't know what is there, and what the motivation of the person is who is trying to show it to me. One part of me never wants to see the Salvia again, and the other part wants to smoke as much of it as possible in order to catapult myself into the other universe without being able to hold myself back in terror as I have before. Does anyone else have any experience in this e
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5494304 - 04/08/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wish I could put some insight on this. I have only tried salvia once and I didn't really get anything from it. I want to try it again though. I believe that we were smoking it wrong because we were mixing it with weed so it was hard to hold in for a long time. NExt time around I am definitely just going to pack a bowl of just the extract and hit it hard and hold it in as long as possible. I think that salvia sounds pretty awesome.
I hope you figure out what you're going to do. I would just keep the salvia around. Drugs like that are suppost to taken with caution. Just like shrooms, it isn't fun all the time. Sometimes you need the learning experience.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5494324 - 04/08/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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butane said: I ordered a gram of Salvia 10x extract online, and it came with a free sample of some non-standardized 6x extract. I decided I'd start small, and tried the 6x first. So, last night, I packed a bowl of Salvia and smoked it. The onset was incredibly fast, and incredibly powerful. My vision warped and twisted, sort of like it was turning what I was seeing into an entirely different universe, but using the building blocks of what I was seeing for real as the input. I started to freak out, and kept getting more and more scared. The hallucinations continued, so that I was not able to really process what I was seeing for what seemed like forever, but what in reality could not have been more than two or three minutes. I've never been so terrified in my life. I got the distinct impression that there was a separate universe out there, and that I was being sucked into it. I don't know why this was so frightening, but it was.
Just a few minutes ago, I decided to give the Salvia another go. I packed a bowl of the 6X, a little smaller than last time, and smoked it up. Again, the onset was incredibly fast, and powerful. I experienced almost the exact same thing as last time, except it wasn't quite so terrifying. It was still very frightening, however. The odd thing was, both times, the way the hallucinations twisted what I was seeing into another universe, and the way I felt like I was being sucked into it, was EXACTLY the same. I can't explain why, but I have this very distinct impression that there is a separate universe that the Salvia is trying to draw me into. And it was like there was someone or something waiting for me there, and it was this something that was trying to get me to come there. But, both times, I was insanely frightened of going to this other place. I can't decide what to do. Each time, during the experience, I'm so scared that I keep thinking of throwing all of the Salvia away, or selling it, or something. But, after the experience, I'm left curious as to what's there. I know that there's something there, and someone trying to show it to me, but I don't know what is there, and what the motivation of the person is who is trying to show it to me. One part of me never wants to see the Salvia again, and the other part wants to smoke as much of it as possible in order to catapult myself into the other universe without being able to hold myself back in terror as I have before. Does anyone else have any experience in this e

Thats just Salvia. You thought it was just a plant, right? well its also a spirit. and it wants to talk to you, trade energy and teach you things. Dont be afraid. You are protected in salvias world. Only thing to fear is Salvia himself.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: kungpow]
#5494327 - 04/08/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the thing about that sucking feeling into another world that is exactly what is happening to you. when I take lower doses of it not enought to be sucked in I just feel this stronge push or sucking just like you said. It can be unerving to have that experiance I agree. just trust your self and the salvia and you will be fine. but there really is another universe that you will get sucked into if you do enough. but if you want to get rid of it PM me ill make it worth your while.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5494387 - 04/08/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Salvia for me was like I'd been tricked by her (She took the forms of a little girl in my mind) and by taking what she had given me, I had lost the reality I was living in, and was thrown into a new one, after new one, after new one.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5494412 - 04/08/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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butane said: My vision warped and twisted, sort of like it was turning what I was seeing into an entirely different universe, but using the building blocks of what I was seeing for real as the input.
That sounds just like my experience with Salvia, only I'm not usually too frightened by it, normally only confused.
I also get the feeling that there is something in the Salvia experience, but I feel that I would have to take Salvia alone in the right set and setting to get there. I always feel distracted when I have people sitting for me on Salvia, but at the same time, something tells me that using Salvia alone might not be such a wise idea.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: TurricaN]
#5494985 - 04/08/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I were you, I would think it was possible that your interpretation of what you experienced was that you were "supposed" to go somewhere for some "reason". But, be aware that that is your Interpretation of what you experienced. Again, it is possible that you are meant to go somewhere and learn something - that is what we would all like to believe. And even though there probably ARE other dimensions,etc that does not mean that is what happened. It is entirely possible (as with any drug) that you took a chemical that effected your brain in such a way that you experienced something weird that was, in fact, not real in any way. Although there are those who would hate to think so, I am sure that not all hallucinations represent anything real, profound or relevant. In trying to figure out if itis worth doing again (and it may be, also factor in the negative effect that having that much of the stress hormone, cortisol, coursing through your brain and body. Stress actually destroys huge numbers of brain cells that you are very unlikely to regrow. It also decreases immunity and causes numerous other problems.
I understand how compelling it is to want to see if there is something of real value for you "over there" but I do not know how you would ever know this for sure. Even if you go there a million times I wonder if you will be able to determine what it is about. If you decide to do it again,why not try using half the amount so that you can be more relaxed about it and maybe even enjoy it. If you are not enjoying it and just scaring yourself - there is not point. You might as well go get yourself an ice cream cone and enjoy it !
Take care and let us know what you decide !
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: liatris]
#5495648 - 04/09/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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use less, I have used it often for 6X, I would use around 1/30th of a gram per session you may need more, but increment up.
the senses become expanded to such a degree the world must become composited differently in mind.
going to the most extreme extent of this is not that valuable. but it's all interesting.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5495744 - 04/09/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welcome to the Shroomery, Butane!
Allow me to rephrase your question, and the answer will present itself:
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I have tried Salvia and it is so intense that it frightens me out of my skull! What should I do?
With Salvia it is easy to lose track of things, among other things the fact that you clearly took too much.
I myself use:
20-40mg of Salvia10x 33-66mg of Salvia6x
This is equivalent to about 200-400mg whole leaf and thats the sweetspot for most Salvinists (like Redgreenvines and me) and corresponds with about 0.5-1mg Salvinorin.
Find reward in SMALL doses and then, after you can get satisfaction in the small, slowly increase your dose.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: liatris]
#5495806 - 04/09/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I gave it one last try last night. I tried to keep as relaxed as possible, and actually succeeded somewhat. While the fear was gone, I still found the experience to be very physically uncomfortable. I have come to the conclusion that that liatris said is entirely correct: There isn't really anything profound I'm meant to see. It's all chemical induced. While I can never be 100% sure about this, I believe that it is not worth the otherwise unenjoyable experience to get there.
On another note, it is fascinating to me how much the "trip" from Salvia varies from the trip that tryptamines and phenethylamines give. It was immediately obvious to me the first time I tried it that it wasn't going to have anything in common. In retrospect, it makes perfect sense, but somehow I was still expecting at least some thread of commonality. The Salvia experience actually brought back some memories of huffing gasoline way back in 6th grade. That's another reason I think it's probably a good idea to avoid it!!!
Anyway, thank you all very much for your help. liatris, your entire post is pure wisdom. Thanks again!
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5495869 - 04/09/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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butane said: Well, I gave it one last try last night. I tried to keep as relaxed as possible, and actually succeeded somewhat. While the fear was gone, I still found the experience to be very physically uncomfortable. I have come to the conclusion that that liatris said is entirely correct: There isn't really anything profound I'm meant to see. It's all chemical induced. While I can never be 100% sure about this, I believe that it is not worth the otherwise unenjoyable experience to get there.
You are 100% incorrect in your assumption.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5495899 - 04/09/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There isn't really anything profound I'm meant to see. It's all chemical induced.
This is where you're wrong. It is a manifestation of your inner workings and that always has value.
A salvia expecience may at first glance consist of nothing but one big doodoocaca but the experience almost always has an important message if you know what to look for.
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I believe that it is not worth the otherwise unenjoyable experience to get there.
That is a personal matter. Many people don't like Salvia, but I can testify it can hold great value.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5496309 - 04/09/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my experience...
I can relate, somewhat, to your experiences. Larger doses distort the senses to the extent of an indistinguishable destination, not really a separate universe, but a multi-verse that can be re-realized with great reliability. It is often frightening and confusing, difficult to integrate, understand, etc.
Smaller doses take me to the same place, but I can interact with it. I understand that this is my room, but it isn't. It's a parallel of it that I can see and feel much more clearly. Seeing it in the light of a controllable dose has given me great comfort, and some insight, as to the effects and purposes of salvia.
I believe, as others have suggested, that a small dose will do the same for you. Before you completely discount it, I think you should at least try a small dose of your 6x and see where it takes you.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: butane]
#5541079 - 04/21/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I too can find it hard to have faith in the spiritual value of the substance- You can try just about anything to stay relaxed but if have the wrong mind set, this will be reflected in your experience. I say keep using it and try different doses to see what works. If its trying to tell you something then there is probably quite a lot you can learn.
I tried smoking a bowl of 20X Salvia, for the first time, last week and I can say, there's nothing that could have prepared me for this experience, it was quite astonishing to say the least! like seeing the world unfold and being born in just 10 minutes. Although scary I will definitely try this again!
Even if you think your experience is not relavant or profound, it certainly is real becuase you experienced it, and I think you're gonna learn a lot more from it than most other activities.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: TurricaN]
#5543664 - 04/22/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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butane said: My vision warped and twisted, sort of like it was turning what I was seeing into an entirely different universe, but using the building blocks of what I was seeing for real as the input.
That sounds just like my experience with Salvia, only I'm not usually too frightened by it, normally only confused.
I also get the feeling that there is something in the Salvia experience, but I feel that I would have to take Salvia alone in the right set and setting to get there. I always feel distracted when I have people sitting for me on Salvia, but at the same time, something tells me that using Salvia alone might not be such a wise idea.
Sounds like my experience too. I used to do it with sitters, but during the trips something kept telling me that if I wanted to go further I had to do it without sitters. As I never stood up during my experiences with sitters I thought it would be safe. And it was (for me). The more Salvia I took the further I could oversee this multidimensional twisted space. It was like millions of different sentients of which I was a part, but I could oversee it all, while on Salvia. I'd describe it as 5 dimensional space with 2 dimensions of time . It wasn't so scary for me as you descibed, because I was more experienced I gues. I worked my way up. Anyway I also got the feeling there was more beyond the world I experienced. And I found it on two occasions with ~100mg of 20X (high dose). This time I seperated from the 'normal' Salvia space. I felt these entities observing me and I could 'see' them. They felt like my parents, but it was like they were my parents but not parents I've ever known. Like gods or something. It also felt that if I stayed in this place I would stay there and have to leave my other life behind me. Like an afterlife. This did freak me out a lot and I got scared, then the trip quickly winded down. Haven't used Salvia in a long time. But I might give it a go again in the future. I'm still very curious. When I do it again I'll probably start with light doses again and see where they take me.
I'm still an atheist btw
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: cybrbeast]
#5544154 - 04/22/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyway I also got the feeling there was more beyond the world I experienced. And I found it on two occasions with ~100mg of 20X (high dose). This time I seperated from the 'normal' Salvia space. I felt these entities observing me and I could 'see' them. They felt like my parents, but it was like they were my parents but not parents I've ever known. Like gods or something. It also felt that if I stayed in this place I would stay there and have to leave my other life behind me. Like an afterlife. This did freak me out a lot and I got scared, then the trip quickly winded down. Haven't used Salvia in a long time. But I might give it a go again in the future. I'm still very curious. When I do it again I'll probably start with light doses again and see where they take me.
I'm still an atheist btw
Yea, Ive had that feeling as well. However, I believe Salvia may be a gateway into some other dimension... afterlife. I also find comfort in this.
The strangest Salvia experience Ive ever had I felt like Salvia did not make me trip, but instead ended the trip. You see, I felt like life as I knew it was one huge trip, and once I smoked the salvia it was over, I was back where I was before the trip started. I was among the gods and I was a god. This was comforting, and frightening. I was happy to be back, but I missed my life on earth and felt like if it could have gone a little longer I would have done something profound with myself. I feel like I chose to come back and finish living my life, like I redosed the trip so that I could finish living on earth.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: rockytop83]
#5544333 - 04/22/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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After taking salvia several times, I felt like it consistently took me to a place of plant/human interaction.
Somebody referred to this place, I think here on the boards, as the "real Mexico." This is a damn good description and I feel like this is where I go, to the real Mexico.
The birth of Agriculture (yes, recent evidence would indicate agriculture began in Mexico, not the 'fertile Crescent.') and arguably a country with the most diverse amount of plant (and mushroom) psychotropics.
It's very strange.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: Herbus]
#5544533 - 04/22/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There isn't really anything profound I'm meant to see. It's all chemical induced.
Personally I don't think what happens to anyone while tripping is "real" in terms of going to other universes etc. however the the whole world how you percieve it and nothing more.
Thus when you take something that changes your perception - you are actually changing your universe for a short time. Whether or not the place is "real" is a moot point because its real to you at that point in time.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: Feelers]
#5544622 - 04/22/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I haven't really read any of the other posts in this thread except for the first couple, so pardon me if I'm repeating something that's been said before.
I decided to try salvia for the first time at a 35x potency (I have a feeling the extracts are somewhat similar in potency after 10x) I bought from my local head shop, and rolled it up into a spliff with tobacco (my first mistake). I smoked it and felt no effects, so I came home and decided to do a bit of research. "Luckily" for me, the suggested way to inhale salvia smoke is via. water pipe, which my bubbler would be perfect for.
Thinking that the reason why I felt no effects the first time smoking it through a spliff was because I didn't have enough of the salvia extract present in the roll, I packed a nearly full bowl of 35x salvia extract (I put a bit of tobacco at the bottom of the bowl so as not to let the salvia fall through). Having never experienced salvia before, and having tripped only on mushrooms, MDMA, and DXM before (this experience was almost a year ago), I figured that a "good" place to try it would be behind my garage in my alley, and proceed to walk to the beach which was about 2 blocks away. Boy, could I have been any more wrong.
I had read that the faster you inhale the hits, the more powerful the trip, so I lit up about 4-5 full hits in about a minute off of my bubbler, until suddenly my vision shifted violently to the left, and I realized I could no longer stand up properly. I'm usually not the kind of person to "freak out" during a trip, as I have pretty strong will power and a strong mind, however I began to feel panic set in as very suddenly it was impossible to walk straight. Immediately I put my bubbler down, and tried to get ahold of myself and not lose my balance. Unfortunately, the effects had only just started to come on.
Within probably 30 seconds, I started to feel the sensation of people pulling on my body from every direction, and a strange feeling of a tunnel opening up at the "top-right" of my vision, into which I was being pulled. As I began walking down my alley, I kept falling into garage doors that seemed to me to be the "ground" - it was a very weird experience, it was as if gravity no longer existed in my mind, and my body was moving free of it. I also had my headphones and MP3 player on at the time, and when I thought to check what was playing, I realized that about 5 minutes had gone by, which I could not seem to account for.
As I was trying to remain in control of the situation, my entire vision began to turn into a 2-dimensional image, with the sky and the fence that was inches in front of me appear to be at the same depth. My sense of touch was also greatly skewed, as I could not seem to distinguish between the feeling of wood or brick or asphalt or anything else. It was right about this time that I think I peaked, and I can vaguely recall myself having a conversation with some 'entity' that I imaged to exist, that somehow I had believed was controlling the situation. I remember asking him/her/it to let me go, and to "stop fucking with me." A little interesting note... I was very clear-headed the entire time, I even had the ability to call a good friend of mine up to meet me so that I didn't wander into traffic by mistake (although effects wore off before he came).
Aside from the 2D vision, the bizarre feeling of being pulled and warped into a tunnel, and the strange being that I had somehow "imagined," I also saw this white triangular pattern that seemed to overlay itself from the peripheral of my vision to the focus of my vision, which at the time I can remember this occurring, was some grains of asphalt on the ground. At the very "end" of this tunnel (although not the same tunnel that I was being sucked into, or was it?) I imagined to see some weird triangular shaped "being" that I felt to be alive. This was not, to the best of my memory, the entity that I was apparently having a conversation with.
After the effects had mostly worn off, about 20 minutes after smoking, there was a slight shimmering gloss that appeared on the ground - which disappeared after about half an hour.
I don't necessarily believe in parallel universes, "salvia people," the "goddess" etc. but I am very open minded and do not entirely disbelieve in the possibility that some of these things might exist. Overall, I think salvia is a very intense trip, more-so than any other substance I've ever taken, and is very uniquely bizarre in its effects.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: Ashland]
#5544916 - 04/22/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hah its incredibly frightening for me too
I cant adapt to the quick come up, cannot reach a state of blissful ego death like with lsd, if it is even possible with salvia...if it came up in like 2 hours id be ok I guess though
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: Herbus]
#5546695 - 04/23/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always found Salvia a fun experience.
I would alway sget vivid images that seemed imaginative and somewhat controlable, but the physical effects such as the gravity effect were always fixable for me by just getting up and walking, which was very enjoyable. I would just be swallowed in the 3D imagery and could very easily interact with everything but sadly it never lasted long enough to stay in that same experience to really get to know its peoples' or things... its always interesting for me though.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: Muppet69_420]
#5546926 - 04/23/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kinda like seeing the wiring and all. Then right back to SHIT. Hey what happened. Months later...?? OHhh...
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: psyillyazul]
#5547251 - 04/23/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: rockytop83]
#5559987 - 04/26/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyway I also got the feeling there was more beyond the world I experienced. And I found it on two occasions with ~100mg of 20X (high dose). This time I seperated from the 'normal' Salvia space. I felt these entities observing me and I could 'see' them. They felt like my parents, but it was like they were my parents but not parents I've ever known. Like gods or something. It also felt that if I stayed in this place I would stay there and have to leave my other life behind me. Like an afterlife. This did freak me out a lot and I got scared, then the trip quickly winded down. Haven't used Salvia in a long time. But I might give it a go again in the future. I'm still very curious. When I do it again I'll probably start with light doses again and see where they take me.
I'm still an atheist btw
Yea, Ive had that feeling as well. However, I believe Salvia may be a gateway into some other dimension... afterlife. I also find comfort in this.
The strangest Salvia experience Ive ever had I felt like Salvia did not make me trip, but instead ended the trip. You see, I felt like life as I knew it was one huge trip, and once I smoked the salvia it was over, I was back where I was before the trip started. I was among the gods and I was a god. This was comforting, and frightening. I was happy to be back, but I missed my life on earth and felt like if it could have gone a little longer I would have done something profound with myself. I feel like I chose to come back and finish living my life, like I redosed the trip so that I could finish living on earth.
Sorry for the late reply, but that's almost exactly like my most intense experiences. I've read more reports of people describing that Salvia felt more real than reality. This was one of your strangest trips. So are your trips always different? I usually go to the same place. Sometimes deeper though.
Do you also get the afterglow where you feel better than normal for a few days after Salvia? It's subtle but very noticable for me, especially when I'm in a darker period of my life.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: cybrbeast]
#5560438 - 04/26/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I own a few Salvia plants, 2 blosser strain and 3 hossen strain. I've all but come to the conclusion that salvia is a learning tool. People who expect to merely trip off of salvia are extremely mistaken, and salvia is more than glad to show them the error of their ways. It's kind of like a bitch slap for disrespecting the plant.
However if you go in with an entirely open mind, she will show you everything you could ever want to know. But remember, the truth can be terrifying at times. Remember its just a visual lesson and nothing is real about it.
Always remember to have a spotter as well, I've seen people get up and attempt to run out of the house with abesolutely no recollection of having any control over it. I personally have come out of a trip somewhere completely different from where I started, and I know i didn't walk anywhere while I was tripping. It's a full mind and body disconnect.
Salvia takes your mind to her world. Your body is left to its own devices in its absence. Use a spotter.
Best of luck... I reccomend you purchase a cutting if you really want to learn her lessons. I can say from experience she yields her greatest lessons to those who in turn nurture her.
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Re: Salvia is incredibly frightening for me... Any insight? [Re: wiggles]
#5561757 - 04/27/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't use a sitter anymore. Used to do it, but I never stood up, so I thought it was safe to do it. I think people watching me (even if they are good friends) really distracts from the trip. In a few trips with sitters I actually got a feeling or voice telling me that if I wanted to go further I'd have to do it alone. After 30+ trips alone, I can say that nothing bad has happened for me personally. The worst that happened was when I knocked over my bong while I was unfolding from Salvia space. Just had a wet floor, that's all. Now I always put the bong in a bucket next to my bed when I lay it down.
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