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iran war now a done deal...
    #5493321 - 04/08/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5493387 - 04/08/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the iran war is definetly not a done deal unless the US can actually get backing and support from other countries. the US has become too weak to fight in Iran and Iraq. There might be a bombing campaign to knock back their nuclear ambitions but that will be about the extent of it.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: vintage_gonzo]
    #5493413 - 04/08/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

IMAO..the fact that at least one "bunker-buster" nuke will be exploded is enough to call it a war...in either case..its a safe bet that three of the consequences will be ..a) bushs' poll ratings will skyrocket.. b) the repoops will win a landslide in november.. and c) the country will go under martial law to stave off "possible retaliatory terrorist attacks" that will make the PATRIOT act seem like a joke...

and if its not a done deal..then why is the planning proceeding so rapidly at a breakneck speed?...


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5493422 - 04/08/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

first off what does IMAO mean. secondly im not sure that the public will be very supportive of another war. maybe a bombing war, but definetly not a ground war. and why do you think they will use a nuke? theres a big difference from saying that and actually doing it. Using the bomb will piss SOOOO many people of I odnt even think our pseudo allies in europe will aprove.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: vintage_gonzo]
    #5494567 - 04/08/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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One of the military?s initial option plans, as presented to the White House by the Pentagon this winter, calls for the use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear sites. One target is Iran?s main centrifuge plant, at Natanz, nearly two hundred miles south of Tehran. Natanz, which is no longer under I.A.E.A. safeguards, reportedly has underground floor space to hold fifty thousand centrifuges, and laboratories and workspaces buried approximately seventy-five feet beneath the surface. That number of centrifuges could provide enough enriched uranium for about twenty nuclear warheads a year. (Iran has acknowledged that it initially kept the existence of its enrichment program hidden from I.A.E.A. inspectors, but claims that none of its current activity is barred by the Non-Proliferation Treaty.) The elimination of Natanz would be a major setback for Iran?s nuclear ambitions, but the conventional weapons in the American arsenal could not insure the destruction of facilities under seventy-five feet of earth and rock, especially if they are reinforced with concrete.




i agree that the public wont support a ground war..but the above bombing action will once again make bush into a hero..and make it necessary to impose martial law...


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5494713 - 04/08/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We wont get to choose if we want this war. I'm of the opinion that the crazy Iranian president will force a war one war or another. He's still buying time to build up his military though(and get the bomb). He just got some bad ass underwater missiles that travel like 250miles an hour underwater and can take out most navy ships with one hit. If not us then Israel, which means us. Only time will tell though. peace

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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5495037 - 04/08/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:but the above bombing action will once again make bush into a hero..and make it necessary to impose martial law...


Why? There have been plenty of bombing campaigns done without martial law at home.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: DieCommie]
    #5495279 - 04/09/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

out of fear that the iranians might attempt to retaliate by launching a terrorist attack on american soil..and/or that a US attack on iran would motivate non-iranian terrorists to strike the US homeland...


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5498080 - 04/09/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its a safe bet that three of the consequences will be ..a) bushs' poll ratings will skyrocket.. b) the repoops will win a landslide in november.. and c) the country will go under martial law

a safe bet eh?

wanna wager against me on point 'c'?


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: vintage_gonzo]
    #5498336 - 04/09/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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vintage_gonzo said:
the iran war is definetly not a done deal unless the US can actually get backing and support from other countries. the US has become too weak to fight in Iran and Iraq. There might be a bombing campaign to knock back their nuclear ambitions but that will be about the extent of it.




Yes, it would be VERY hard if not near impossible to invade iran right now. However, even with this considered, american air power is so supurior to any other country there is still not contest. The USA could bomb iran for months without end. War is not always fought on the ground, or even air, the battlefeild is chosen by the agressors and if the US decided to attack it would be an AIR war, because the U.S. has THOUSANDS Of jets it can use. Also, it does not matter who is for or against it. It wouldnt matter if many U.N. Countries didnt back it at all or rejected it, If the U.S. wanted to attack it would, with or without U.N. support. People often make the mistake of saying the american military is too weak to do anything. However this is completely untrue, we are "weakend" in the sense we couldnt send 300,000 troops into Iran withen the next week, however if it became vital troops could be moved out of iraq and afganistan to invade iran and that would be retarded. The entire iranian army coudl be wiped out by anti-personal bombs dropped by american war planes and other airborne devices. Im against the iraq war, afghan war, and a war with iran however dont be fooled into thinking it is not possible. The only thing really tied up in iraq is ground troops and thats only a small part of what would be affective in a war (with the advent of recent technology). Remember, troops didnt get into baghdad untill after the country had been bombed. And "shock and awe" could have been much worse, they could have used large scale bombings, not percision guided bombs, they could have used MOAB or daisy cutter bombs. Iran is not safe, no country is.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: satori85]
    #5498341 - 04/09/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Also, iran has the abality to wage a limited war. If they were smart and spread out there armies, told them to go home or flood into iraq it could be costly for the U.S. Hezbolah (sp) could attack INSIDE the U.S. Persian influence around the world is 100x that of what suddam's secular government had. We could see REAL attacks on a global scale and other middle easern countries getting involved on a meaningful scale. Iran also has a much much stronger military and will use any excuse it can to launch an attack against israel. They also have a navy force, and can take out many oil fields. Interesting indeed.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: satori85]
    #5498685 - 04/10/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What do you do when you can't win the 2 wars you already started?

Start another one!


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Rustifer]
    #5499039 - 04/10/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think we should nuke the shit out of Iran. Right now.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: satori85]
    #5501037 - 04/10/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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satori85 said:
Also, iran has the abality to wage a limited war. If they were smart and spread out there armies, told them to go home or flood into iraq it could be costly for the U.S. Hezbolah (sp) could attack INSIDE the U.S. Persian influence around the world is 100x that of what suddam's secular government had. We could see REAL attacks on a global scale and other middle easern countries getting involved on a meaningful scale. Iran also has a much much stronger military and will use any excuse it can to launch an attack against israel. They also have a navy force, and can take out many oil fields. Interesting indeed.




Good post.

Going to "war" with Iran will be an actual war, not like when we occupied Iraq. "A war is fought between two armies." Iran actually has an army.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5501065 - 04/10/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes, a "real war" with plenty of innocent causalities and enormous and unforeseen repercussions.


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5501105 - 04/10/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Going to "war" with Iran will be an actual war, not like when we occupied Iraq. "A war is fought between two armies." Iran actually has an army.




Do you mean the army that was involved in a ten year stalemate with Iraq?


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5501786 - 04/10/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you mean the army that was involved in a ten year stalemate with Iraq?



Iran won that war, Iran is 3x the size of Iraq and many times more powerfull, it is actually a nice looking country too
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/inside-iran-city-life.html
And here is a thing about what a modern stoning is like
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

Call me crazy but could this be a little psy-ops on the Iranians? Make em sweat a little, draw up some targets to let them know we are serious? I sure hope thats what it is


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5502908 - 04/11/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Considering the fact that China has recently investing a huge amount of money into the Iranian oil industry (70 Billion), the chances of the U.S. going into Iran are slim. To put in simply...China won't let the U.S. take Iran, like they did Iraq and the U.S. knows this.
If you see/hear that the U.S. is invading Iran...head for the hills and get ready for a serious shit storm.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/31/content_387140.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/83609.shtml
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/061D6F27-E3A5-4F9B-8E96-A5D284F15C96.htm


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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Rono]
    #5502946 - 04/11/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and what exactly do the chinese have in mind when bush does bomb iran?...heres a couple of more lynx that postulate that bush is causing chaos in the middle east in order to choke off the asian and european economies on the one hand..while OTOH..the US economy will benefit (:wtf:) from skyrocketing oil prices denominated in dollars ..

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=11187
http://www.swans.com/library/art12/ga207.html

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Commentators have been worrying that should the U.S. attack Iran, and Iran retaliate by, perhaps, shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, huge oil disruptions and price hikes will occur, but they miss the point wholeheartedly. The beauty of the cold and highly rational US calculation is that if such retaliation takes place, it's Europe, Japan, and China that will bear the brunt of the disruptions, and the price hikes will be denominated in US dollars.




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Re: iran war now a done deal... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5502977 - 04/11/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Iran although more operationally sound then Iraq, would be destroyed quite easily by the United States. You could count Israel in to. The Chinese would be a problem, however, they are light years ahead of the Iranians. It would be interesting to see if they would stick their necks out. In my opinion they would not due to the trade they desperately need from the USA, which is allot higher then 70 billion.


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