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IGnosticAbhorI
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Wbs failure
#5491619 - 04/08/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The title says it all, here lately, success has been going, way down hill...
I've tried Agar's tek..(not to much of a tek really really)...But the steps consisted of... 1. 12-24 hours soak (endospore reasons and hydration) 2. Rinse/rerinse/rinse, then drain for an hour or so... 3. PC for an hour (2 for bags)
And there ya go.
Problems
1. To dry or to wet.
Solutions (wanna b anyways lol)
I tried like 4 batches with different soak times to see if that was the problem. I soaked one batch for 12 hours, one for 14, one for 18 and one for 24...I also Drained some longer and such...
The ones that soaked for 24 hours came out to wet, so I drained longer, still got the same problem. The ones I soaked for less, I drained for less and they were to dry. I even tried adding more inoculation solution to help increase the moisture level, didn't work at all, lol.
So that's that.
Next tek 
Here's the tek
I did this one to the T...
Ended up being SUPER wet and clumpy...
I decided to go ahead and let the next batch drain (didnt for the last one really)...I ended up falling asleep and they drained for like 4 hours ....And they didn't feel really wet to the touch, so I decided to load them up in the jars and hoped they weren't to wet.
They ended up just liek the others, wet, way wet, little rings of water around every kernal.
I did notice however that quite a few kernals were burst (50% or so), AFTER pcing...So I'm going to do a new batch tonight and Change the Tek a little.
I'll only let them simmer (steep is more like it, if u read the tek you'll see what i mean)....For like 30 mintues and drain for about 4 hours...*Shoots self*
Can't cut corners in this hobby I know. Trying to get WBS down, but it's proving to be a PITA.
Anyone got any ideas or new teks I could try?...
The WBS i'm using has quite a bit of milo (the red colored ones), I notieced they hold a shit load of water...I might change to a different brand 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
TIA

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tengumai
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Hmmm. I used Agar's (6Tango's) tek, but it's hard for me to tell how wet my WBS is because it's so thoroughly covered with dense mycelium.
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agar
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READTHIS about soaking times.
Also, what size holes do you have in your lids? And what are you using for jar filters?
 
I use BIRD BASICS BRAND from either PetCo, or PetsMart

I am NOT a fan of SIMMERING.
I simply SOAK the wbs/grains until they stop expanding. Then give them 3 or 4 hours more soak time.
Rinse WELL with hot water & Drain WELL.
By drain well, I mean drain UNTIL it will not DRIP one drop. Even when you shake the colander.
Jar up & go for it.
 
 works for me.
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Re: Wbs failure [Re: agar]
#5492266 - 04/08/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hate you agar...lol
All those jars 
Alright, i'm going to try that to the T..And I mean the damn T.
Even pick up a bag of what you use - to ensure it's not the sub.
Thanks for the extra help man 
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I was having problems with my WBS jars being way too wet as well so I tried something different.
1. Soak WBS for 24 hours 2. Rinse well and put into a pan.
Instead of just simmering in water next I made a small pot of coffee and then poured it into the pan with the WBS and no water. Let it sit for 5-10 minutes with no heat. Then added water but being as it wasnt all water it seemed to get the content right after draining, rinsing, and PCing. Its only been 4 days since inoculation and theres mycelium beginning everywhere.
Whether or not the coffee makes a difference I dont know, but it keeps my moisture content right.
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Re: Wbs failure [Re: mrco0o]
#5492527 - 04/08/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also, what size holes do you have in your lids? And what are you using for jar filters?
I use the same size in yours (normal screwdriver, lol).
I use polyfil...Use to use tyvek, but not anymore 
Got plently of both though.
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Try the tek that scatmanrav has on his signature thing. I started using it when i wanted to try grain and have always had success. I think the vermiculite he sprinkles in bit by but until the grain looks dry has been key for my success. I dont actually simmer any grain any more and it works just as well IMO. Try that and good luck.
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Tyvek is far better than polyfil, imho.
Micropore tape is also great.
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Re: Wbs failure [Re: agar]
#5494980 - 04/08/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hm.
Well I figured if I let water escape faster then it'd help a little bit (while pc perhaps or what have yoUu)...And I figured polyfil wasn't as dense as tyvek. 
I just need to get the moisture content right lol.
And I've tried Scatman's tek...I thought the verm. would help,but it always ends up screwing me over in the end by sucking up to much water.

I've got several PM's from people with suggestions (THANKS!), and I'll being trying those ideas and some on here, and hopefully, everything goes well.

Thanks everone 
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if you don't feel like draining for long just drain with the pot lid like you would pasta then toss in a spoon full of dry verm into each jar.
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Re: Wbs failure [Re: skeletor]
#5495340 - 04/09/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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skeletor said: if you don't feel like draining for long just drain with the pot lid like you would pasta then toss in a spoon full of dry verm into each jar.
(Collander) lol
I've tried that before...But that was a different brand of WBS..This brand I have seems to suck up water WAY more than what I use to get (has more red milo in it)...
So we'll see how things go 
I'll post back in 4 hours and let you know how it goes ....
I'm going to let them Drain like Agar says until they don't drip at ALL...And the verm....

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Re: Wbs failure [Re: agar]
#5495354 - 04/09/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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agar said: READTHIS about soaking times.
Agar, You silly goose .
I read your posts like a Catholic woman reads the bible 
I've noticed that with that one tek I tried (simmer no soak)...The grains (lots of red milo in this brand), they ALL burst after about an hour, 90% atleast...
I'm trying his tek one more time, this time only simmering for 30 mintues, no soak, drain as you described(no drippy drips), and Pc for an hour and 15 mintues...
I got a great deal with this bird seed so i'm alright with experimenting (well worth it).

Couldn't really soak, that's why i'm doing his method again, lol...But in the future i'm sure soaking will be all I do.
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Draining properly is very important. I've done hundreds of bags of WBS and all I've done was soak rinse and drain then PC thats when the cooking gets done and they turn out perfect everytime, also add a couple of drops of JetDry to your soaking water it not only helps break the surface tention on the millet making the soak more effective but it really helps the WBS from clumping.
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Re: Wbs failure [Re: mrco0o]
#5495974 - 04/09/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mrco0o said: I was having problems with my WBS jars being way too wet as well so I tried something different.
1. Soak WBS for 24 hours 2. Rinse well and put into a pan.
Instead of just simmering in water next I made a small pot of coffee and then poured it into the pan with the WBS and no water. Let it sit for 5-10 minutes with no heat. Then added water but being as it wasnt all water it seemed to get the content right after draining, rinsing, and PCing. Its only been 4 days since inoculation and theres mycelium beginning everywhere.
Whether or not the coffee makes a difference I dont know, but it keeps my moisture content right.
very interesting.
nice read, does any have a direct link to agars tek?
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