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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5481870 - 04/05/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I say this things not of my authority but of God's. I say these things for the greater good of mankind so that you may know the truth for there are many false prophets and liars among us. If you choose to believe the lies that there is no God or Jesus is not the son of God, & that salvation cannot be found through him, then you do not seek the truth or the things in which I speak.

For a man cannot be saved by his own works, but only through Christ, whom through the whole world might be saved.

God bless,

I will be praying that God may enter your life so that the truth may be known to you.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5482675 - 04/05/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Demotriton said:
You don't have to trust me, just trust God.



Already there, buddy.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5487947 - 04/06/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Demotriton said:
You don't have to trust me, just trust God.




Tell him that I'd need to see some ID first.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5489095 - 04/07/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

God shows you ID alright, but it isn't what you think it is.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5489388 - 04/07/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You still haven't told me why you're christian besides being raised catholic and unable to alter the programming you received as a child.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5489689 - 04/07/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am a Christian because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, and have permitted him to enter me and take control of my life.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5489748 - 04/07/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I voted no on most of the choices up there. Man this poll must piss a lot of people (Christians) off.

Jesus was a great man with great ideas. He was the first (or at least the most well known) crusader for human rights. What we project upon him does not matter. He wasn't out to be named god or the son of god. He just did what he knew was right... and he was prosecuted for it. Him and his "like minded community", what was mis-translated as church, went around exposing the evils of the established religion and he was killed for it.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490016 - 04/07/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, he was persecuted.

Just like I am persecuted for believing in him.

Just like it is written in the New Testament that those who believe in him will be persecuted.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490050 - 04/07/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to put anyone down. I just think that too many people think that to be a good Christian you have to believe every word of the Bible to be truth. Just because it is written doesn't make it so. The Bible is just like any other book. It has its good points and its bad points, and it can be misinterpreted.

I don't just read the Bible, I study it. I don't take it for granted, I think about it. When soandso said this or that what did they mean? How might the language have been used differently in those times and how might it change the meaning of what I am reading.

Edit: Also, who's translation am I reading? What were their motivations? And always keeping in mind that there are many missing pieces kept hidden and yet to be found.

Take nothing for granted and your eyes will be opened.


Edited by shymanta (04/07/06 01:26 PM)


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490253 - 04/07/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You must also realize that God can do ANYTHING.

You must also realize God's will is for us to have freedom of choice AND he wants whats best for us.

What's best for us is to be with him in heaven.

Don't you think God would of given us something to tell us how to find him?

Thats what the bible is, and more specifically the New Testament as it was written to help US find him.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490294 - 04/07/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

These things are true but what most people have over looked (and what Joan of Ark was killed for saying) is that god is within you. Not just a little spot in your heart or your head, but you. You are god made flesh. Looking within for god is more important that looking without. Many people search their whole lives and never think to close their eyes and look inside.

That's what she (Joan of Ark) was saying that got her killed. That you don't need someone else to tell you how to find god because he/she is with you no matter where you are or what you are doing.

My personal view is that god is the universe. As we are part of the universe, we are part of god's physical body and can not be separate from him. We're part of his nervous system. This is a metaphor on a cosmic scale.

The Bible is a good place to start, but god left us maps everywhere with which to find our way.


Edited by shymanta (04/07/06 03:03 PM)


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: shymanta]
    #5490676 - 04/07/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That is also true, God IS within us, but we must also know how to find God within us.

There are other Spirits which are not God and are evil that can enter our thoughts and try to trick us.

Thats why God sent his son Jesus, so by knowing Jesus is the son of God, Jesus can lead us to God (within us).

But first we have to believe in Jesus.

There are evil forces at work right now that are trying to trick us into thinking Jesus is not the son of God so we cannot find God within us.

and you already know the name of the spirit those forces come from


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490699 - 04/07/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If Jesus wasn't the son of God why did Jesus pray to his father before he was put on the crucifix..


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5490766 - 04/07/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was not there so I cant be sure about some of these questions. Interesting how some of you say you are sure...


Edited by EquilibriuM (04/07/06 06:41 PM)


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5499333 - 04/10/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dem, your logic here is completely irrational. You're telling me that you are a christian, because. You're also taking me completely wrong. I have nothing against Jesus or his teachings. Just because you base your faith on the Bible doesn't mean you have to be Christian. Are you aware that the Roman Catholic church has admitted to falsifying various parts of the Bible to make people behave the way they wanted?


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5499515 - 04/10/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that Jesus was the Logos clothed in material flesh for, as Saint Valentinus put it, "God became a Man so that Man could become God." That doesn't mean though that I believed he was annointed by God, or chosen, but rather the personality of God grew to its fullest potential in the man Jesus. I also do not believe that the man Jesus is intact and currently living in "Heaven", as such literalist is unable to seperate the personality that was Jesus and the Divine Nature that grew in him.

I also became a Christian (Gnostic) through an extensive philosophical journey. As a teenager I was ardently an atheist and a Nietzchite bully until eventually, right after finishing high school, I began experimenting with LSD and mushrooms. This brought me to a sudden, dramatic, and legalistic conversion to the Islamic faith. For about one year I remained an Islamic counterpart of a typical evangelical, literalist Christian. I believed staunchly for sometime that Islam, and direct submission to God alone (thus exempting any reverence or understanding of Jesus) was required unconditionally for "souls" to be saved, although I had little conception of what a soul was at the time other than ideas of celestial bodies, or re-created flesh after death.

My legalistic interpretation of Islam however was in contradiction with mystical experiences I had encountered while experiencing shifts in consciousness under the influence of psychedelics. I eventually gradually began to ease up in how I understood Mysteries, until eventually abandoning Orthodox Islam in favor of Islamic mysticism, or more commonly known as Sufism.

My transition from Sunni to Sufi will always be an important one, as it highlights a greater understanding I came unto of metaphysics and Mystery. Through Sufism I began to embrace virtually all esoteric traditions, from Christian Gnosticism to Hindu mysticism, as well as Platonist and Jungian metaphysics. From a philosophical point of view, I became disillusioned with the Islamic backdrop: the insistancy on the Arabic language, and its deep seated literalism is what specifically contradicted my mystical understandings. I also felt that Islamic mysticism failed to fully articulate the divine experience, as much as esoteric Islam is not expressed through symbols, but rather poetry and verse, likely stemming from the literal tradition and nature of the Holy Qur'an, which failed produce divine symbols of intercourse as is the case with Jesus and Christians. I also felt that Islam misunderstood Tertullian's Trinity theology.

As such, and as of late in a matter of fact, I have moved on from my Islamic backdrop to fully immerse myself in the Mystery that is Christ. I have never gotten the chance to have been a literalist Christian through my spiritual growth, but today I describe myself as Christian Gnostic, whilst still combining the inner traditions of all faiths - Islam included, as there are spiritual methods in mystical Islam that I will always hold dear and treasure, such various practices of using the body itself to allow divinity to illuminate (rememberance - gnosis).

While certainly no Holy Writ is absolute and infallible (pricesly the reason I "apostated" from Islam, for its reliance on literalism), in the man Jesus I see Truth and a taste of Mystery personified. He is more than just some compassionate guy with "good teachings" (only a fool would deny these attributes in Jesus), but also the touchstone of inter-course between the Divine Reality, the Ground of Being, and the manifestation of material existence. Jesus' was pure Love and Compassion for the simple reason that the personality of God flourished in totality in Jesus, and God Herself is pure Love and Compassion.

The example of Jesus is there, I believe, to allow one to become exactly like Jesus in every sense (again the Saint Valentinus quote), to allow the Divinity within to flourish. In that sense, I am a Christian.

Just my $0.02


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Basilides]
    #5530524 - 04/18/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

blaze2 - very well put, and yes I do believe that the majority of jesus's teachings are right.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: blaze2]
    #5539107 - 04/20/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Revelations is my fav part too, if only it would happen...




it happens every time history repeats itself
it happens every time a child is born
it happens every time a person dies
it happens every time you admit you are wrong
it happens every time you fall asleep
if one part is metaphor it all is. perspective.


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5549767 - 04/24/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, for once I was in the majority of a responce. All my answers were. Creepy...


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Re: Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #5554226 - 04/25/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no, no, no, not sure, no


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