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Offlinekibbeynck
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Standing water in jars?
    #5489608 - 04/07/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry i dont have a camera or anything, but on the bottom and only the bottom of my jars are circles with slight brown discolouration. Does this mean i should redo my jars, or is this normal? And if i should redo them did i go wrong? i would imagine that i didnt rinse them well enough. I did leave them for about 14 hours to soak, but did not simmer or anything like that. I PCed 9 jars and didnt have the willpower to do the 10th i had, and just left the bird seed in it and they seeds sprouted. All of my other jars are sprout free. Just a little background so i can get some help.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5489649 - 04/07/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Standing water isn't ever good =/.

Did you let them drain or anything? (using a collander or whathaveyou).

After a soak I let mine sit in a collander for like 30 mintues, otherwise they're really wet looking when ya put 'em in the jars (not good)..

Moisture content is a bitch, lol.

When you say brown spots...Do you mean as in you didn't clean the jars and the spots were there before you put in your seedies?...Or that after you pc-d the spots were there?...Or that after a couple of days you noticed some brown stuff forming on the bottom (looking brown and as if water was sticking to the glass?

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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5489668 - 04/07/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I let them drain for more than an hour while i went to class, and no the spots were not on the jars they were brand new. THe spots showed up about a day after, when i first put the wbs in the jar there was no standing water in the jars, BUT when some of the seeds touched the sides they had a little ring around em as if water was holding them to the sides of the jar


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5489675 - 04/07/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like it's a little bit wet. Haven't been having much luck with WBS myself lately :evil:.

The brown spots sound like some type of contam...altough, that type of contam. would take longer than a day to form.

Could always just isolate those jars from your main grow and just see what happens..That or chuck 'em out and start anew.

-Gnostic


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5489686 - 04/07/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I havent even inoculated yet. Since my spores arent even here yet im just gonna throw em out and start over, maybe give em a couple of wash cycles. Sucks though cuz my PC only holds about 3 jars at a time.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5489728 - 04/07/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:doh:

Better safe than sorry :thumbup:

Try and get a digicam or something some time, pics def. help A LOT.

Take care man, and gl next time

-Gnostic


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5489970 - 04/07/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just redo em. toss in a spoon of verm into the bottom. then you don't have to drain more then cracking the pot lid and dumping into the sink till there are practically no drips (maybe a minute).


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: skeletor]
    #5490087 - 04/07/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Found out my problem, I didn't originally rinse my wbs in warm running water. I only let it soak, I rinsed today and now when i soak it looks VERY different. Almost doomed from the start, at least i found out what went wrong before i inoculated :smile:.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5490226 - 04/07/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How many times are you rinsing and when? I skip the first rinse and just soak, then I rinse, then simmer, then rinse. 3 rinses is a bitch for a big batch, but 2 is fine (and the WBS is swollen buy the rinses so it doesn't easily come through the collander.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: Solidcell]
    #5490331 - 04/07/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna rinse, soak, and rinse again, i read that the simmer isnt necessary so im gonna skip it as i only have a griddle and its hard to control the temps.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5490358 - 04/07/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dont forget to get those "empties," and sunflower seeds out of there. i found (in my case) that those "floaters" can increase contamination when left in the mix.  GL otherwise man!!! :headbanger:


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5490369 - 04/07/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is another thing i changed the 2nd time around, removing all the floaters. Thanks for all the help, i hope this is a successful grow :smile:


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: kibbeynck]
    #5490425 - 04/07/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

floaters don't inscrease contams if you sterilize fully.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: skeletor]
    #5490601 - 04/07/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats why i said "in my case".  i have a small 6Qt PC that only goes up to 10psi, so sometimes i'd have to work harder to get those babies sterile. and "IN MY CASE" i totally noticed a difference with or without the floaters (as far a contams) when PC'd at the same times....  maybe it was just a fluke, but i think it helps. :discodance:


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5490728 - 04/07/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

they do take up space though if thats a problem for you haha. too lazy to skim em out.


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Re: Standing water in jars? [Re: skeletor]
    #5491911 - 04/08/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I get the majority out, but once it's hard to get them out I stop. My jars usually have the water spots where the grains meet the glass (just a slight circle at the pint of contact), but I'm thinking of skipping the simmer next time (or just for 10 mins and not so hot) since I could have less mositure in the end and it helps by kicking off some time.


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