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jonnyjonjonjon
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Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate
#5487278 - 04/06/06 06:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now I know ergot is a highly poisonous mold but I cant help but wonder if mycellium growing on ergot infested rye would transport LSA from the ergot into the mushrooms.
I've heard about experiments where people tried to get mycellium to carry THC but they came to the conclusion that the THC molecule is too big for the mycellium to transport. To me theres nothing surprising there because THC is a highly complex molecule and is part of the cannabinoid family rather than tryptamine like psilocybin.
The reason I think theres a possibility of it working with LSA is because LSA isnt a very complex molecule and its the same family as psilocybin (tryptamine).
Has anybody here ever heard of people experimenting with this??
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lardnar
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what's the difference between LSA and LSD, seeing as they are from the same source?
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jonnyjonjonjon
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: lardnar]
#5487352 - 04/06/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is a man made chemical synthesised in a lab. LSA is a natural chemical found in morning glory, hawaiian baby woodrose, ololoqui, ergot etc.
LSD has a more complex structure than LSA seeing as it has everything LSA has only more.
Are you asking me why not just take LSD than go to all the trouble of trying to grow LSA containing mushrooms? My answer would be that everybody has taken LSD but how many people can say theyve taken psilocybin and LSA containing mushrooms?
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SmokenBabyJesus
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Can LSA be hydroxy-lated? That is the question. When the mycelium takes in the lsa it would hydroxylate it. and I don't know if that possible.. or would would come of it.
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lardnar
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jonnyjonjonjon said: LSD is a man made chemical synthesised in a lab. LSA is a natural chemical found in morning glory, hawaiian baby woodrose, ololoqui, ergot etc.
Ah, i was mistaken I was under the impression that LSD was found in ergot
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SmokenBabyJesus
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Here is an idea of what would need to happen.
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SmokenBabyJesus
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 Maybe it would look like this?... Ehh!!! heh heh heh
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mycofile
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The reason I think theres a possibility of it working with LSA is because LSA isnt a very complex molecule and its the same family as psilocybin (tryptamine).
Damn, I might be confused, but I thought that LSA and LSD were both penethylamine's, not tryptamines.
Another important thought is that every organic source of LSA I'm aware of has many other alkaloids in it as well. Ergomine's, clavines etc. I would imagine that one would want to have a handle of the possible chemistry occuring with these as well, unless you are going to go through the trouble of converting them all to lysergic acid, in which case you would be half way to LSD and would have far better things to do than growing mushrooms.....
I seriously doubt there would be any effect. Nearly every bag of cheap bird seed I've ever seen has what appear to me to be ergot sclerotia. Which of course would mean that hundreds of thousands of amateur mycologists have unknowingly performed this experiment and boldly bio-assayed the product, with no strange affects reported.
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: mycofile]
#5500476 - 04/10/06 04:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am pretty sure that there are a lot of factors that would have most likely destroyed the LSA and other alkaloids before anything took place.
Like water chemicals...Tempetures..Oxidation...
and even if It did take place, nobody knows about, So.... someone should find out weather or not anything is happening.
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Liquidkick
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maybe ask your biochemistry professor.
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SmokenBabyJesus
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: Liquidkick]
#5502303 - 04/11/06 02:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would if I had one....
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DrJ
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: lardnar]
#5502712 - 04/11/06 08:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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lardnar said:
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jonnyjonjonjon said: LSD is a man made chemical synthesised in a lab. LSA is a natural chemical found in morning glory, hawaiian baby woodrose, ololoqui, ergot etc.
Ah, i was mistaken I was under the impression that LSD was found in ergot
LSA is in ergot. The preparation can change it to LSD. Me and ex gf (with chemistry masters) did this in holland. Im sure what we made was LSD-251. Though from my knowledge LSD can be made completely syntheticlty. But we used ergot. I think people use this method nowadays as the chemicals to sytheticly produce LSD have become almost impossible to obtain. To make proper LSD from ergot (not just an LSA extract) you need quite alot of Lab equipment, which we had. Not sure if this would be possible for a home chemist. Please prove me wrong. I would love to do it again, but don't remember enough of rhe process to try. And i'm no longer in touch with ex as shes a squater so hard to track down.
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Heres food for thought. I know for a fact that most of the active alkaloids in LSD, LSA, Pychocybin and mescaline etc. aren't abbsorbed by the body. They discarded when you piss. In many tribes that consume these substances the shaman drinks the 'potion' and the rest of the tribe drink his piss. Some eskimos feed aminitas to reindeer and drink the reindeers piss. Urine is high in nitrogen and during the vegetive stages of growth for my weed plants i add a half pint of it twice a week to my hydro nutrient tank. I have done this once whilst on LSD. Not sure if it worked, but my weed is very good. But i only did it once and during veg stage. You could add urine (with etheno alkoloids) during flowering stage i reckon, but if you do use a nutrient that has no nitrogen. I shall try this myself i think.
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: DrJ]
#5506599 - 04/12/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you saying your gonna try using piss to grow mushies? hmm.... Interesting, I never heard of using it in cultivation...
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DrJ
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Well i use it for weed. But maybe the same principle works for shrooms. Afterall- shrooms love shit!!! lol Might work......
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SmokenBabyJesus
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: DrJ]
#5506802 - 04/12/06 06:28 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you should do a little more research on piss, like find out what all is in it and the ways food affects it.
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mycofile
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OMG, this thread has gotten really, really funny to me. Anyway, urine can be used in cultivation, it is high in N, from the urea. Make sure you don't get your substrate too hot, which is easy to do with any concentrated N source. I'd also keep an eye on pH, I don't know what the pH of your urine is, but when I used urine in cultivation, I used it in a substrate that definitely needed pH adjustment.
And for those that just have to have a reference for everything, Ralph Wayne, or whatever the peroxide guy's name is mentions using urine in one of his peroxy manuals.
But seriously, why in the world would you.....never mind. Have fun.
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: mycofile]
#5507803 - 04/12/06 11:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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mycofile said:But seriously, why in the world would you.....never mind.
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mycofile said: but when I used urine in cultivation,
OH NO YOU DIDN'T!
So what was that piss in those overcolonised bags photos, myc piss or mycofile piss?? 
At least nobody will be asking where they can get it!
Urine is meant to be pretty sterile too. Just dont fancy the stink!
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mycofile
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Re: Ergot Infested Rye as Substrate [Re: blackout]
#5512578 - 04/13/06 02:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL, ok, you got me. *busted by blackout*
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