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hitabowl75
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question about my straw log
#5487101 - 04/06/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey this is the first time Ive done this and i have a question. Ive had many since i began, and everyones been great helping out.
OK i have straw that is colonizing with wild bird seed using shroomgods Straw Tek. It is in a 18 gallon rubber made tote. I colonized 5 inches with seed 5 qt jars of seed. I did this on the first so its been 6 days. Can i check on them without hurting anything if I'm in a sterile environment. At least as sterile as it was when i made it. Like i said Ive never done this before so I'm just curious about what is going on. Also do i need to spray inside the tote with a little peroxide water to increase the humidity while colonizing. Thank you.
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5487337 - 04/06/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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First thing is did you Pre soak your straw in Lime and Bleach like shroomgods tek states?
If you did, then you do not need to even have it inside that tote. In fact it would be more beneficial to let it colonize in open air and expose it to light to help it pin in-vitro a little quicker.
If you did not, then the next time you try these logs, you need to. Soaking the straw ups the PH to a high enough level that bacteria can not gain a foot hold for at least a week or two, maybe more. Thus the Myc will dominate the log before any contamns can.
Logs are all about speed. They colonize and pin in about 17 to 20 days, give or take. once there are a good amount of pins, dunk it for about 6 to 12 hours than birth it to a Martha, or a terrarium. Shit, you can simply drape the plastic tubing over the thing and leave it on a shelf. Just make sure the tubing remains lightly damp to keep it from drying out.
If you have any more questions about this please PM as I have been successful with straw logs before and I think they are a really good way to produce mushrooms that are often over looked!
Good Luck

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hitabowl75
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: diablovt1125]
#5487564 - 04/06/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have not yet constructed a fruiting chamber yet . That is down the road a little more. This is literally my first experience with growing these . I just jumped right in . so far so good.
No i did not soak in bleach and lime. Shroom gods tek says pasteurize in water @ 180 degrees. I Read a little on soaking in lime and bleach but didn't know what way was best . I am interested in this method as it seems easier than boiling water. Plus i could do larger amounts at one time. Please tell me more. I planned on birthing the log in the same tote i colonized in. I was just gonna cut the lid and replace cutout with a light diffuser panel siliconed to the top. I have a fish tank heater and colonized my jars using a doubled tote with water and the heater in the bottom. will this work for fruiting. I'm just learning step by step.
I Dint understand what you mean about plastic tubing. Do you mean like a sheet of plastic? I do need any suggestions on the best way i should fruit these things. I made 2. I also did a grain to grain transfer the other night and so far its a success also. As always any comment suggestions or advice is appreciated. Diablove1125 I may pm you as id like to k now more about this lime and bleach.
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hitabowl75
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5487579 - 04/06/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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this ws told to me by hotnutz is this the correct way that you speak of.
A simple straw technique is; use 1 cup of hydrated lime and bleach both per 10-12 gallons of hot tap water. Simply cut your straw into 1-3 inch pieces and and load up a tub or whatever with it. Knowing the tub size in gallons is very helpful. This way you can eye the water level, rather than measuring it. Add 1 cup of bleach evenly across the straw in the tub. Add a few gallons of hot tap water evenly across the straw so the bleach gets dispersed a bit. Then spread 1 cup of hydrated lime evenly across the straw in the tub and allow the lime to hydrate before adding the rest of the hot tap water. This way you don't get clouds of lime from adding the rest of the hot water in your eyes, mouth, exc. After the lime's hydrated simply spread another 7 or 8 gallons of hot tap water evenly across the straw till you come to a final volume of 10-12 gallons of water. Cover and allow to soak for an hour. After the hour is up, simply rotate the contents so the once up side of the straw is down. Then cover again and allow to soak until the contents are cool enough to handle by hand. Then simply ring out the straw with your cleaned or glooved hands till only a few drips of water come out from the ringing out. Load up your tubs or trays, pack evenly and spawn. Cover the trays or tubs LIGHTLY with foil and allow them to colonize for 2 weeks. Don't peep at any time before these 2 weeks are up. You'll only be allowing contaminate spores into the trays or tubs to ruin your project.
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5487831 - 04/06/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you pasturized at 180, there's no need for chems. I'm not knocking them, optimal PH is a bonus, but as long as your spawn rate was decient, you shouldn't have contam issues. I would recommend pasturizing at lower temps next time though... like 140-150. The procedure the previous poster mentioned is a way to not even pasturize. I've seen several good grows using that method as well.
Anyway, I'm assuming you have it in the tub to block light. I would be concerned about high walls keeping CO2 in, but it will probably colonize fine either way. Still, I'd be inclined to either fan it once or twice, or lay the tub on it's side while it colonizes.
Rahz
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hitabowl75
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: Rahz]
#5488050 - 04/06/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I checked on them awhile ago, and they seem to great. Id guess probably at least 50 % . I have them covered with plastic with holes and it is tightly tucked around the sides. I also havehte lid on the tote.
is it best to fruit inside the tote or to remove the log from the tote and then case it.
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5488297 - 04/06/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would recommend casing in the future, it's worth it, but I'd fruit it as a log if that's the shape it's in.
Rahz
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hitabowl75
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: Rahz]
#5488985 - 04/07/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do plan on casind this. I have verm. And peat moss, and calcium carb. Any recomendations on the ratio . I was gonna use 8-8-1
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5489165 - 04/07/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahh, when you mentioned 5 inches I thought that might be the case. It's tecnically not a log, though your first post didn't indicate it was.
I use 1 cup calcium to every 8 cups of mix, so I'd go 4:4:1
Rahz
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hitabowl75
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: Rahz]
#5490840 - 04/07/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just figured a log was just what they called this big old hunk of myc and straw. Id say it is 50 - 60 % colonized after 7 days.
I want it to be totally consumed in white before i case, correct? It seems to be firming up in the center of the straw.
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Re: question about my straw log [Re: hitabowl75]
#5490862 - 04/07/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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>>>>I want it to be totally consumed in white before i case, correct?
Yep, if the substrate isn't fully colonized, you're more likely to get an uneven pinset.
Rahz
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