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Monotub mod
    #5483468 - 04/05/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In all the pics i see of the monotub the polyfil holes are all on the sides, but wouldnt it better facilitate if a hole or 2 was added on the top of the monotub to help facilitate FAE better?

Makes sense to me does anyone havea reason why it would be bad?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: ke1n]
    #5483489 - 04/05/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, y'all call them ''monotubs' now. You don't even need poly fill or anything. You can just open it up and fan it. I guess, if you really wanted, you could put a tyvek patch to act as a filter, then make a box enclosing a fan and a hose to suck fresh air in. Or a hairdryer set on cool, with a funnel tape over the intake fan, and a hose running from the funnel to the ''monotub''. But it's not necessary at all I don't think.


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    #5483515 - 04/05/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Monotub mod [Re: fee]
    #5483598 - 04/05/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What'd I suggest, is a spout on one of the corners. That way, you can open the spout and tilt it and all the excess water will run out. One thing I remember is that they create too much damn humidity if anything.

ps- yeah, fuck ''fruiting chambers'' and regular ol casings.

And outdoor grows don't get enough recognition. It's the easiest fucking way to do it. And you don't have to worry about contams.

You can make a really good outdoor spawn block using a paper grocery bag and manure,straw, and some jars.

Also, nobody here plants grass on their outdoor grows anymore either for some reason.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483792 - 04/05/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Haha, y'all call them ''monotubs' now. You don't even need poly fill or anything. You can just open it up and fan it.




Umm I thought the whole purpose of the monotub was to keep it sealed, as it says in the tek.

When you open up to fanning to clear excess cO2, you would also be losing massive amounts of humidity. Monotub tek is to elminate this problem... no?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Zacharian]
    #5483835 - 04/05/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The mono tub design is centered around the "set and forget" mentality. It works very well just sitting in a room with lighting and appropriate temperatures. The key is setting the initial environment and maintaining it. The key to maintaining it is to leave the tub alone. The only time a mono tub should be opened is during the initial spawning, casing, and final harvest.

Manual fanning is definitely not required in the mono or double tubs. Great tek in my opinion. I'm not sure why people scoffed at the idea some time ago, ignorance I guess.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Zacharian]
    #5483836 - 04/05/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't even know there was an official tek, I didn't even know they were called ''monotubs'' know. We used to call it the ''pavlov's dog'' method, he's the one who did it first.

Post a link to the tek you're talking about.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Wronguy]
    #5483845 - 04/05/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was talking about fanning it during fruiting. It's common sense shit, mix your manure and spawn, let it colonize, throw on a casing layer, let it sit for a week, initiate pinning, then pick. I used to stick mine in a fridge overnight to help initiate pinning. Some say it doesn't help for cubensis, BULLSHIT. Try it for yourself and see.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483946 - 04/05/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just posting a picture of the MonoMonster (lol).
This was the first tub I ever made. I still use its design to this day.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: FungusMan]
    #5484049 - 04/05/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What are those phallic things sticking out all over it?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484105 - 04/05/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those phallic things sticking out all over it?




1in clear tubing, stuffed with polyfil. Most people think I lose humidity, but I dont. Keeps an easy 95% constantly. No fanning needed. Im lazy,lol.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: FungusMan]
    #5484126 - 04/05/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Weird.

And no, I'M lazy. I'd never take the time to cut out all those holes. I'd rather just fan it with it's own lid.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484128 - 04/05/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those phallic things sticking out all over it?




Those are tubes with polyfill in them for the fresh air exchange.

The term "monotub" was stemmed from the term "double tub." Mono...meaning one tub. It's been around for at least 6 months now. Seems to me you have been gone too long. :smile:

As for fanning, you do not NEED to fan a monotub, or pavlov's dog method (which I have seen NO documentation claiming he coined the polyfill holes).  The polyfill is what makes the monotub and doubletub unique. It allows for perfect FAE, but still keeps the humidity in, all the while, filtering the air through the polyfill.  SET IT AND FORGET IT.  NO fanning or misting. Nothing. Its done. (Plus, there are a good number of us who love building, and drilling holes....cmon...a 5 year old can do that.)

Yes, growing mushrooms is simple, as you have said, but there are many ways to do it. Ohmatic was the first one to show us the mono-tub as we know it today.  Do a search.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: tokey666]
    #5484159 - 04/05/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Ohmatic was the first one to show us the mono-tub as we know it today.


HA!!!

I was putting tyvek filters ( I decided it was better than polyfill after trying polyfill) on my tubs back in 03, I even posted growlogs of them. So that must mean the ''monotub'' (''as we know it'' as you say) is really my tek then, and an early version of ''my tek'' at that. It's bullshit.

ps- Yeah, and you don't HAVE to fan it, but you don't have to wipe your ass either, doesn't mean not wiping your ass is the best idea around.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: tokey666]
    #5484169 - 04/05/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, no fanning during fruiting stage is needed. (No matter if thats supposed to be "common sense" or an old "traditional" way - don't need to do it at all)

But too each is own.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484189 - 04/05/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Someone just did a comparison between tyvek and polyfill.

The tyvek results didn't look impressive.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Zacharian]
    #5484232 - 04/05/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I always found you get shittier fruits when you don't fan, unless you have forced air exchange. It's a lot easier just to fan than to rig up a ventilation system though.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484254 - 04/05/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well the guys in the double tub tek and monotub teks must be doing things different then. If you look at their pictures, they look great.

As far as I know there is no forced air.

Here is the tyvek vs. polyfill see the 3rd post down: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5477236/an/0/page/4


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484258 - 04/05/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I always found you get shittier fruits when you don't fan, unless you have forced air exchange. It's a lot easier just to fan than to rig up a ventilation system though.




I don't agree, but I do agree. Compare the two links in my signature. One automated system didn't give me very good fruits and a horrible pinset, but the monotub gave me a good pinset and better fruits. Of course there are MANY more factors involved, but even so. Fanning is easier than automation, EXCEPT with the polyfill pavlov/mono/dog/tub method. :smile:

Furthermore, I am not saying ohmatic MADE the tub. I am saying that within the past six months, his posts have been the best in regard to the tub and much has originated from it. Where he got it? Dunno. Does it matter? Nope. It seems like you have been gone for quite a while, or this would have never happened since you are so adament about it. Do you have any links to the posts you made? It would be awesome to see them.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: tokey666]
    #5484307 - 04/05/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

See, back then, there was really in all honesty no name for it. That's just how we did it. Then I come back and everyone is fucking kneeling down to some dude who did this shit a few years later talking about it's some great tek he came up with. I mean, imagine if you went to brazil for a few years, then came back and everyone was ranting and raving about Bill Chill and his amazing thing called ''liqui-wet'' and it's water that's been poured into a bottle, with a bottle cap that has a plastic tab that you twist. It's liqui-wet! It's not water! There's no need to swallow! Just pour it directly down your throat! Bill Chill is a genius.

You'd be like ''What the fuck is wrong with you people?!?!?!"

So there you go, partner. I think you see what I'm saying.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484334 - 04/05/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL
Yeah what is with that attitude? I wish that would disappear, must be people with inferiority complex or some crap... damn. Go see a shrink - not shrooms!!


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484335 - 04/05/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would think the holes are on the sides of monotubs are better than the top, becouse the co2 builds up in the bottom of the tub.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: lil_civic_lil]
    #5484382 - 04/05/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>>>I would think the holes are on the sides of monotubs are better than the top

ahh, back OT. Actually, the lower holes vent the CO2. And logically, since the inside of the tub is warmer, I'd bet the fresh air is entering through the lower holes and exiting through the top holes.

It should make no difference whether the holes are near the top, or on the top, unless you cover the tub with something, or want to stack several tubs. I've only done a mono-tub once, and put the upper exchange on the lid. Seemed to work fine.

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Re: Monotub mod [Re: lil_civic_lil]
    #5484404 - 04/05/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice. See, look at this cat, that's what we call advancement folks, he didn't even try to claim his idea as a new tek or anything.

Now what we do is we check to see if C02 really does build up on the bottom, and then if it doesn't, then we point this out. If it does like he says, we tell him ''good work'', and thank him for adding this piece of insight. What we don't do however, is blindly take his word for it, or tell him he's wrong for no reason just cause so-and-so didn't tell you this was right and so-and-so said that they came up with CO2 and said that CO2 doesn't build up, it builds out. That's what we don't do, folks. Just like how we don't use our outside voices inside and we walk on marshmellow shoes and eggshells.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Rahz]
    #5484425 - 04/05/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What if there are no top holes?

Then the CO2 and oxygen are just mashing together in a swirl, right?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484436 - 04/05/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Christ man! I've never seen someone cry so much about something so petty. Roadkill, you better delete the mono tub, double tub or anything else involving a rubbermaid bin in the archives. Please rename them all the "Paradis Tub" so we can end this fucking whining.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: FooMan]
    #5484454 - 04/05/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hahaha. I was really just acting like this is OTD when it's not. I certainly do appologize for disrupting y'all.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484468 - 04/05/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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hahaha. I was really just acting like this is OTD when it's not. I certainly do appologize for disrupting y'all.




That's cool, as long as you're just doing this to stir up the pot for enjoyment :grin: I was starting to think you were just a prick :smirk:


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484471 - 04/05/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is it me, or this site REALLY freakin' slow tonight?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Anonymous]
    #5484556 - 04/05/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>>>What if there are no top holes?

I'd guess the CO2 would still vent, but the FAE would drop to a trickle.

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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Rahz]
    #5484703 - 04/05/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am asking that IF I do decide to use polyfil holes, would putting a hole or 2 on the top, IN ADDITION to the ones on the side, would that facilitate FAE better?


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: ke1n]
    #5484730 - 04/05/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, well, the size of the holes is importaint. I wouldn't be concerned with whether they're near the top or on the top, either should be fine. I'd make the holes 1" or more and space them out every 8 inches or so, but I haven't done enough to get comparitive results. Perhaps someone else can help.

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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Rahz]
    #5484777 - 04/05/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i don't mean on the upper-side, i mean a hole on the lid and holes on the sides


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: Rahz]
    #5484809 - 04/05/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is my mono-tub. Im going to expand to 4 in total. with one being filled using 3inch spawn when my poo is ready.


one smallhole on other side of hose. about 1/8th inch size, no covering. I might add a computer fan to suck out the air when the coolmist is on...to help with air flow.

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Coolmist on every 2hours for 20min. I also fan with the lid when I wake up, and before I sleep. I didnt have time to fan when the monster was growing. so the coolmist gives enough FAE. IME of course...


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    #5484816 - 04/05/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats a cool setup


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: ke1n]
    #5484832 - 04/05/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks!
its worked well for me so far. heres more porn. all of these i didnt fan. I now do cause I saw a post of CO2 collecting on on the lower areas.


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    #5484872 - 04/05/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, well ( :grin:), you need upper and lower holes. Without one or the other, there's no vector for air movement.

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    #5484891 - 04/05/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats why I want to add a fan. to suck the air out when the coolmist is on to "replace" the air.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: mushboy]
    #5485219 - 04/06/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People are getting confused about what is implied when the word "monotub" is used. Sure, technically, it means one tub, and I think that's where the confusion comes in. Monotubs are built the same way using the same principles as doubletubs. No fanning. No coolmist systems. It's ridiculously simple. The polyfill holes at the bottom are right at substrate depth to allow for CO2 expulsion/air exchange.

It's very understandable to think that when you have one rubbermaid tub, it's a monotub, but to me, monotub implies the same tek as the double tub, no fanning, etc. Hell you're not even really supposed to peek and look at things most of the time!
This is where paradis is confused as well. He thinks we're referring to just using a single rubbermaid container as a fruiting chamber (or incubator, whatever), and he notes that people have already done that. What he isn't realising is that monotub doesn't just mean one tub, it's a whole process. If you fan it, I don't really consider it a monotub.


PS someone made a thread similar to this one a while ago and someone else noted that if they were on top dust/contams might settle on top making it easier for them to get in? I think it would make a good experiment. If you're doing 4, you should do have with them on the side, and half on the top to see how things work out.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: muskrat]
    #5911454 - 07/29/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have used mono tech on 5 gallon paint buckets holes in the sides and a clear top. Works great easy and small. You can stack them up like a pyramid.


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Re: Monotub mod [Re: muskrat]
    #5912999 - 07/29/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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PS someone made a thread similar to this one a while ago and someone else noted that if they were on top dust/contams might settle on top making it easier for them to get in?




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