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Critique wanted
#5483274 - 04/05/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wanted the opinion of the more experienced growers of this method
1. I plan to nock up some 4% dextrose/malt liquid culture
2. I then plan to pasturize 90:10 (h.poo/verm) In oven bags I have not decided if I will try to hydrate the h.poo/verm then seal it in bags and bake it _or_ I will pasturize the h.poo/verm in a cooler at 170, then put it in oven bag. and inoculate.
What is everyones opinion on my methods so far?
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ASD
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: ASD]
#5483934 - 04/05/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: ASD]
#5484043 - 04/05/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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most people that use bags inoculated with LC will sterilize the substrate. also, you should add grain (like wbs) to the mix and more vermiculite.
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ASD
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that all seems great but I do not understand why someone would use grain instead of poo. Could you inlighten me?
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: ASD]
#5484237 - 04/05/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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not instead. added to. for improved texture. try injecting LC into straight poo. I already made that mistake....
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ASD
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is there anything that can be used instead of seed as I do not have access to a pc at the moment. (gasket cracked)
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: ASD]
#5484298 - 04/05/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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chunky vermiculite would probably work if you can get that...
what are you going to do for air exchange?
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mycofile
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that all seems great but I do not understand why someone would use grain instead of poo. Could you inlighten me?
grain is much more nutritious than poo. Poo is usually spawned with colonized grain, and a whole lot of the nutrients are pulled from the grain, not the poo. Poo is nutritious as well, but nowhere near as much. It's used more to bulk up the grains in a way that provides some sustenance to the mycelium without being a contam risk while being colonized in unsterile conditions.
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is there anything that can be used instead of seed as I do not have access to a pc at the moment.
You could use the LC to noc up PF substrate in jars or bags, then use the PF substrate as spawn for the poo. PF substrate is proven to be acceptable when steamed and not PC'd. Increase steam times for anything larger than the standard 1/2 pint.
Experimentally you could try to concoct a substrate similar to PF sub consisting of poo, BRF, verm, and/or coir, straw, cob, powdered milk, etc. This would definitely be an experimental, and I would suggest very long steaming times for bags of such a dense substrate.
I would expect less than spectatular results from simply going LC to poo even with a texture enhancer such as verm. Not to say you'll definitely fail, but there is a reason that bulk substrates such as poo are universally spawned rather than shot with LC's.
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: mycofile]
#5489926 - 04/07/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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grain is much more nutritious than poo. Poo is usually spawned with colonized grain, and a whole lot of the nutrients are pulled from the grain, not the poo. Poo is nutritious as well, but nowhere near as much. It's used more to bulk up the grains in a way that provides some sustenance to the mycelium without being a contam risk while being colonized in unsterile conditions.
I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Poo is much more nutritious. It's easier for the mycelium to start colonizing grains. If you inoculate straight into the poo it wont colonize fast enough.
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: ASD]
#5490019 - 04/07/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd buy a cheap PC and use grain as spawn.
Instead of verm in the substrate, use straw to fluff the poo.
Grains are more nutritious, but they don't hydrate/rehydrate well. It's good spawn, but I wouldn't be concerned about grain content other than having a nice spawn ratio.
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: Rahz]
#5490507 - 04/07/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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just make a poo cake (poo, verm and brf) steam that in jars and spawn to you pasturized poo. with no pc i feel this is your best option
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Re: Critique wanted [Re: Sinthetic]
#5500066 - 04/10/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Poo is much more nutritious. It's easier for the mycelium to start colonizing grains. If you inoculate straight into the poo it wont colonize fast enough.
Are you joking? You think that horse manure is more nutritious than grain? Then why do professional mushroom cultivators (such as Paul Stamets) recommend supplementing manure and manure based substrates with grain and grain based supplements? Surely that would be retarded to do if the manure were more nutritious to begin with....
Of course I agree with you that if you started poo with liquid it would take a longer time to colonize, but what is your proposed theory for why this is true if poo is so much more nutritious?
Ever seen a 200+% BE yield from poo that didn't have any grain in it?
There's a good reason that you don't see people growing on straight poo, and it's not just a matter of speed of colonization, it's a matter of nutrition as well.
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