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PF's redspore cubensis released to the public
    #5481690 - 04/05/06 06:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i have mine,
do you have yours yet ?

spore print in a jar compared to normal cubie spores-




surprise,
it really is red eh,
  :cool:

more details found at mycotopia
thread =  the redspores are coming!!!


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5482662 - 04/05/06 12:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ralphster44 has had them out for quite some time now.

who is selling yours and how much???

i clicked the link but it only brought me to the main forums page.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5482782 - 04/05/06 12:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

uhh, Ralphsters got redBOY, this is redSPORE.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5482904 - 04/05/06 01:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

correct,
this is from PF
not rodger or peele.
no one has them for sale yet.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483037 - 04/05/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There is a vendor selling the redSPORE that came directly from PF. Pretty cheap too. They only charge 10$ too. I figured they would charge more for this one.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483044 - 04/05/06 01:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have yet to see a convincing "red" picture of the Redboy, but its hard to argue with the redness of the Redspore. That looks like dried blood or rust.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483047 - 04/05/06 01:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

what is the difference besides the name? they both drop the only red spores for a cubensis. real original

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
    #5483051 - 04/05/06 01:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i'd be happy to send you a sample, WM.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483059 - 04/05/06 02:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Civic said:
There is a vendor selling the redSPORE that came directly from PF. Pretty cheap too. They only charge 10$ too. I figured they would charge more for this one.




who ?
i doubt it's the genuine article,
pf just let this out a couple weeks ago.
think you are confusing this
with rodger's redboy,
an entirely difference strain.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483070 - 04/05/06 02:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No. I know the guy. He is a friend of mine. He got it from PF. It is the redspore. I've even seen them.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483189 - 04/05/06 02:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

being a skeptic
i'd love to see a picture.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483194 - 04/05/06 02:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That's fine. PM me.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483264 - 04/05/06 03:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i do not see pf's redspore on his site, civic.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5483313 - 04/05/06 03:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It's not that site itself. It's a different one which is WHY I PMed you. Keep it in PM's. I'm not gonna advertise someone who isn't a sponsor.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Anonymous]
    #5483397 - 04/05/06 03:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

you did not pm me the url so i could verify
so i must remain a skeptic.
if they are for sale at $10 a syringe,
why not pm me where ?
that's not violating any policy here.
but i will ask pf.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5484672 - 04/05/06 09:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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i'd be happy to send you a sample, WM.




I'd really like one of those too.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5485442 - 04/06/06 04:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I thought PF went to jail? Gees ive been out of the loop for a while...
How exactly did he get this strain? Was it a natural find or another one of his black-light mutation jobs?


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5485480 - 04/06/06 05:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

pf did get busted, copped to a minor possession charge and is nearly finished with probation, if not finished already.
he still posts at mycotopia from time to time.
here's the text of a post he made in a rather long thread there-
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The PF red spore is not from nature - it appeared in a petrie
dish.

It is too bad it is under wraps because it is most valuable as
a DNA study. If an identical mushroom has a different spore
color from its twin, that means it is another specie. And the PF
red spore doesn't apparantly "breed" with the normal purple PF
classic which is its "mother".

I would only release it to a qualified Mycologist that is doing DNA
research and genetic stuff. The PF red spore in my opinion is
priceless in that I think it shows some kind of evolution being that
the spore color signifies another specie. So in my hobby lab, the
PF classic gave a shroom that changed specie.

The problem with the PF red spore, is that the mushroom is a
schedule one illegal drug, and no real mycology lab is going
to touch it because the only source is me or YASHIJ PAYE and we are
not real mycologists with credentials and neither are any of you.

What a waste! This PF red spore could be a real newsmaker in the
realm of evolutionary biology.

The Prof




thread = redboy

some pix he posted of it a few years back-



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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
    #5485790 - 04/06/06 09:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Workman said:
I have yet to see a convincing "red" picture of the Redboy, but its hard to argue with the redness of the Redspore. That looks like dried blood or rust.




How is this pic not a convinving "red" picture?!?!?!


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Taskenti]
    #5485902 - 04/06/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. I have seen them. That vendor-in-the-works has them. I was skeptical at first too. They are actually really red though!

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Taskenti]
    #5485996 - 04/06/06 10:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

dunno what school you went to
but my school taught me that
that color is purple.

this is red >  :mad2:


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5486050 - 04/06/06 10:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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my school taught me that
that color is purple.

this is red >  :mad2:




More like lavender actually, because it's a cross to the PR strain, but Lavenderboy sounds just a bit too gay don't ya think?

What's cool is that we're seeing variations in colors.  Let's don't let this degenerate into another 'what color is red' thread.  Kudos to pf for letting his redspore loose!  I want one.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5486172 - 04/06/06 11:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Lavenderboy

Sounds like a gay superhero?


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Taskenti]
    #5486371 - 04/06/06 12:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen lavender cube spores several times before and taking a picture on foil really highlights the purple coloration when taken at a slight angle.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
    #5486480 - 04/06/06 12:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I too, have seen that color of P. Cubensis spores before.
And, true, a print on foil will sometimes highlight that coloration.

I have never seen a strain that will throw that color, consistently.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: agar]
    #5486667 - 04/06/06 02:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

where can we get iiiiiiiiiit. i want to add to my collection!

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: mushboy]
    #5486900 - 04/06/06 04:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

give it a few more weeks,
already going out to selected friends
soon there'll be plenty for all.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5487313 - 04/06/06 06:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

grow in progress
looks pretty much like yer basic pf classic,
which it is.
except it drops blood-red spores.



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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5488062 - 04/06/06 09:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I look forward to its release Hippie3 and as always great postt.

Darken
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5489321 - 04/07/06 09:20 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

thx
another shot-


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: agar]
    #5489325 - 04/07/06 09:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

agar said:
I too, have seen that color of P. Cubensis spores before.
And, true, a print on foil will sometimes highlight that coloration.

I have never seen a strain that will throw that color, consistently.




i have seen 24 of rr's redboy prints,
thx to rodger generously donating
for a contest at topia.
i can personally attest that the 'lavender' color
is consistent and not a trick of light on foil.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5504609 - 04/11/06 05:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

update
new pix





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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5504649 - 04/11/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Nice Stuff...


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5506831 - 04/12/06 06:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Cool. I'll bet it throws a pretty print. In response to the foil comments made above, here's Redboy on glass with ambient lighting, no flash. Sixth generation shown below. As I slowly breed the PR component out, the prints are getting redder. Still somewhat maroon though, but working on it.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5509421 - 04/12/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry, but that still looks like a normal cubensis print to me. Maybe my computer monitor is wonky or I need glasses.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
    #5511207 - 04/13/06 06:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

all these " red strains" are neat to look at, and a novelty to have in your collection ( i.e. penis envy)

But besides a unique spore print, is there any other outstanding trait EITHER red strain posses? fast colonization, extreme potency, x-tra contam resist. etc


purty prints are nice, but i would be more impressed with a strain that produced double yeilds, or cut colonization time in half


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5511226 - 04/13/06 06:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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ChromeCrow said: a strain that produced double yeilds, or cut colonization time in half




you be sure to let us know when you find one plz.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5511271 - 04/13/06 06:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ok, i'll take that as a no..

personally i think its cool that the red strains are here. Diversity keeps ppl interested in the hobby

but i think the color of the spores is one of the LEAST important trait...

but since this is just another cube, why the hell is this post in the advanced forum?

at least RR's redboy took a lot of work and crossing.. seems to me the redspore is just a re-introduction of a normal cube that just so happens to throw discolored spores..

not knocking you or your strain ( well PF's strain) but i fail to be impressed or see anything "advanced" about this strain


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5511281 - 04/13/06 06:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

lol
it wasn't posted to impress you
nor to gain your approval.
it's here because it's new,
different.
and with 565 thread-page views at the moment
someone's interested
even if you aren't.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5511294 - 04/13/06 07:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

gee quite personable aren't we hip


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Tweexican]
    #5511310 - 04/13/06 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

he was being rude
so i responded in kind.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5511324 - 04/13/06 07:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry about it, bro.
I think that it's really cool. I like to see variation and new things in any hobby I am interested in.

New things = New ideas = New teks = New information

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5511554 - 04/13/06 09:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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but i think the color of the spores is one of the LEAST important trait...

but since this is just another cube, why the hell is this post in the advanced forum?



It belongs in advanced for the very reasons you mentioned, it is just another cube and not really of special interest to people beginning to grow. It is more of interest to experienced growers who may not hang out in the normal cult forum since they have seen and heard most stuff a million times. They may have grown the lot. I see the red spores being of interest to the likes of Workman & Roger who has tried crossing distinct strains. Workmans idea of crossing PE with albinos really shows the effect of crossing and if it is working or not. It is very hard to distinguish a normal cube from another so spotting if they truely did "cross" is difficult.
If these consistently drop red spores then it is a pretty unique characteristic, like PE's shape, or albinos colour.

I want to see an albino PE the size of OI and dropping red spores!

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5511731 - 04/13/06 10:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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he was being rude
so i responded in kind.




You responded as you always do Hippie, like an ass :grin:.
I really have to agree with Workman, all this fuss over a mutant spore color. If the fruit had significant morphological or chemistry differences it would be a unique fungus. However it is just a PF with mutant spore color, that's it. I applaud RR in his work breeding the strain back to health and the release of the "original" redspore but only as curiosities not as advancements. Commercial mushroom farms usually get rid of a strain which throws sports. Hobbyists have much more leeway and can afford to play with strains like these. They are however NOT amazing, I have about 500 prints and at least 1/4 exibit the lavender-pinkish tone from 8 different strains. It is obviously a part of the genome already (probably as a recessive) and will likely reappear if it has not already in some cake and just not been printed. IMO the reboy/redspore are good breeding markers in understanding the process of hybridizing strains within the species. They however do not seem to be anything special to the hobby grower/consumer.A cube is a cube bottom line. I would much rather see a temperate highly aggressive cyan or azure strain which fruits over a wide temp band being developed rather than yet another bland cube with interesting spore prints. Just my own opinion. And I DO aplaud the work which has been done to bring this back, especially RR's work in rebreeding the strain I expect some good breeding info to come from this work.
Now let's get busy and get a cyan or azure to make sclerotia and fruit at room temp, Have low amounts of active destroying enzymes and stable storage potency.
That would be a much more desirable mushroom than a cube with unusual spore color
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    #5511770 - 04/13/06 10:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That's why building on that experience, there's cross-species hybridization work going on now. Initial results look promising. One must crawl before walking. Still, any mushroom that will throw a different presentation, and continue to do it from generation to generation is cool, whether it came from a lab or the wild.
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    #5512817 - 04/13/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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...Now let's get busy ...WR




LOL
let's = let us.
us ?
how do you fit in ?
nothing but a mouth, as usual.

anyway
fuck the haters
here's some more pix.
a redspore print



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    #5513127 - 04/13/06 05:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL
let's = let us.
us ?
how do you fit in ?
nothing but a mouth, as usual.

anyway
fuck the haters
here's some more pix.
a redspore print



and a comparison shot
with rr's redboy.






Hippie... :grin:ya dipshit. why do you think I made the suggestions I did? I am working on temperate woodlovers,australian subaeruginosa,and the local azure so, let us =let me,eh? Now before you run that waste pipe you call a mouth, where do I fit in? Wherever my interests lead me. I have stated very clearly and without malice my opinion of these reddish spored cubensis. They may provide some infomation on passing unique traits within a species but the fungi itself is unremarkable in all other ways...
I am forced to agree with you about the haters, you are right fuck'em  :grin:
Now that brown spore print and the pink one are supposed to represent what? Oh yeah some oddly colored spores from a mutant domestic strain right? Now explain why it is important to the hobby grower, ya know it is just another cubie, no specific cultivation advantages or atractive traits.
And to advanced mycophiles? Perhaps a visible cue as to how recessive traits are passed during breeding? Or an interesting marketing trait to sell what is essentially a PF strain mushroom with purty spores?
Sorry Hip not a hater just realisticly looking at what an average cubensis with reddish spores really means to most cultivators...Not a lot :smirk: Not discounting any work being done on the red-spore cubensis, all information is valid and how traits are passed in genus Psilocybe is invaluable information. In that respect the redspore may be helpful but as a cultivators strain it is unremarkable.
And so the jars of enriched woodchps continue to be encouraged to fruit at 65-70F, others are set in dark corners for long periods looking for sclerotia to form and the hundreds of multi spore cultures are culled down for heat resisitance and agar fruiting w/o significant cold shocking. Perhaps I will be lucky and isolate that warm weather woodlover that summers as a potato sized sclerotia and fruits at room temps in sawdust cakes. But more likely someone like workman will get it done. I do know it will not be Hippie3 :lol:
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
    #5513256 - 04/13/06 06:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

these strain is for people like me... collectors. that's it. just to say we have it. it doesn't come with any other tricks than red spores and psilocybin.

If anyone has an extra redboy or redspore i would love to check it out for myself.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5513352 - 04/13/06 06:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, now this redboy picture (one on the right) looks more red to me. I really need to see these in person before I judge the color. Photography can play tricks.



Errrr.... I guess I am assuming the one on the right is the redboy, maybe its something else. The post at mycotopia has the same picture and calls it just a purple print. Shit.


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
    #5513434 - 04/13/06 07:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, i'm certain that's RR's 'redboy' by comparison to the PFR.
i have an extra redboy i could send if you like, WM..
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    #5513941 - 04/13/06 09:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I would like a slice of that print if possible Hippie
One of the better threads in advanced lately


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5514695 - 04/14/06 02:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My god PF is still utterly full of shit. 'It is a new species because its got red spores' - and im sure the reported 'DNA' study will stay under wraps forever because there isnt one.
Id like to see proper compatibility tests on this, but to say its a new species - that 'the professor' as he calls himself managed to create specification in a 'petri' dish from a normal cubensis is laughable.
More likely someone sent him a mushroom that has a weird phenotype that popped up one day and he wants to make money out of it like its something significant.
I guess a red-spored cubie is kind of cool assuming that it was a common phenotype but really i dont see any reason why this advanced - and agree with the Crow guy.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5514754 - 04/14/06 03:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think its a cool thing - showing weird and unusual phenotypes is always going to be.  :eek:
But it is rather silly to claim it's a new species - I think that true speciation has not been created anywhere in the scientific community. (this is that debate with those "pesky fundies" who believe in micro but not macro-evolution) and obviuosly its very hard to recreate without access to a LOT OF TIME.

Just because it's standard procedure to use spore colour as a useful identifiying trait doesnt mean its a new species if its a different colour. I know sweet FA about the technical aspects of identifiying mushrooms, but that's a claim I'd never make. It definately deducts credability, in fact it's bullshit.
Looking and selecting for interesting mutants isn't new, you could say we as humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Perhaps someone should see whether it does interbreed with its genetic parent - and even if it doesnt it still wouldnt make it a new species.

Its a fact that you can't get some different dogs to successfully breed (ie really big ones and really little ones) - but would you call a great dane and a shitzu different species? - NO.


Whether it should be in the advanced forum - I wouldn't know, it is something new at least, and it is pretty cool. But as for loose statements like that coming from people who should and DO know better I can't say it inspires my confidence.

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    #5514776 - 04/14/06 04:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

well said - it does the opposite - demonstrates them to be full of shit...


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5514809 - 04/14/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

as usual
it's those who claim to be fit to judge what is 'advanced'
that are sorely lacking in vision.
here's a thought since some seem bereft of their own-
this redspore will, in short order, by crossed with other strains,
just as rodger did with his redboy.
not that long from now
people will be talking about
red-spored penis envy albinos,
and other exotic crosses-
and then you will finally know why it's here.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5515124 - 04/14/06 08:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

so this would really be classified as a new strain not species right??? i mean it has been established that it is a redspored cubensis.

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    #5515136 - 04/14/06 08:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah, i'm certain that's RR's 'redboy' by comparison to the PFR.
i have an extra redboy i could send if you like, WM..
pm me the addy over at 'topia
& i'll send.

here's some ordinary cubie spores for color comparison-



the spores on the bottom of the left side of the foil, are looking slightley like the redboy. mainley the outer edges, not the centers. centers look like normal cubensis traits.

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    #5515322 - 04/14/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i erred,
turns out that's not RR's redboy,
my apologies.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5515437 - 04/14/06 10:20 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:


as usual
it's those who claim to be fit to judge what is 'advanced'
that are sorely lacking in vision.
here's a thought since some seem bereft of their own-
this redspore will, in short order, by crossed with other strains,
just as rodger did with his redboy.
not that long from now
people will be talking about
red-spored penis envy albinos,
and other exotic crosses-
and then you will finally know why it's here.




It is here because it is slightly unusual compared to the relatively homogenous species group called cubensis and some folks would like to cash out on the minor difference in spore color As for redspored penis envy albino hybrids, unless it is something besides odd looking,BFD :smirk: It is really nothing exceptional beyong it is missing a pigment in the spore case(probably an anthocyanin).
I will repeat this so hippie can understand. The work is great, red spores give an unusual genetic marker to track during breeding. The fruit itself is completly unspectacular as far as growth,strength,yield etc (yes I have grown a flush of both redboy from TEO and a redspore from an associate of mine who knows PF)neither is exceptional in any way besides spore appearance.So yees the breeding work is great the mushroom is unremarkable beyond spore color. Call it a lack of vision but you don't need eyes to smell bullshit. :wink:
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    #5515452 - 04/14/06 10:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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i erred,
turns out that's not RR's redboy,
my apologies.
it's a Matias/PFA cross.




Amazing, with all those pink spores on the edge of the foil, I can see how you made the mistake :rolleyes:
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
    #5516822 - 04/14/06 06:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i'd love to get a PFR print for my collection!
i now have 4 different shades of red prints from the Redboy, but i must say that these PFR spores are much redder.
anyone willing to donate a pfr print or piece of print, i'd compensate them with some prints in return or some rare seeds.

thanks PF for releasing this amazing strain!

woooohoooo for the red spored races! 3 in all so far, redboy (purplish red), oh canada (orangy-red) and PFR (blood red).

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    #5517362 - 04/14/06 09:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah when that happens sure we might see a topic that is worthy of being in the advanced forum.

But let be clear Hippie - we arent talking about that now - we are talking about a new phenotype - actually no - we are just talking about a minor characteristic of a new phenotype that provides no benefit for this strain in terms of potency, vigourousness or growth performance.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5518157 - 04/15/06 06:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i see plenty of crap in this very forum
that isn't all that advanced
so give it a rest.
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Advanced marketing...:lol:


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    #5518343 - 04/15/06 09:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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i see plenty of crap in this very forum
that isn't all that advanced
so give it a rest.
it's here, doesn't look to be moved anytime soon
so get over it.




What's the matter Hippie no body left to argue with at mycodopia?.YA GOT NUTHIN' Just an insignificant variation in spore color. If that is all it takes to be an advancement in shroomery mycology then have yer fun.To me it is an indication of genetic drift due to ecessive cloning and use of senescent cultures, not advanced mycology(it was NOT puroposely created now was it?)It's only true significance is it's spore color as a gentic marker during breeding which I have not read much on here. No it seems more like a marketing thread than advanced mycology, Hippie Hype for a basicaly unremarkable cubensis.To those actually working with this strain I hope some usefull info arises from your efforts.To those wishing to capitalize on this minor mutation, after it has been grown once it's true mediocrity will become apparent to those growing it.Funny colored spores are only interesting for a couple flushes then the uniqueness wears off and you are stuck with a low yielding mid-low potency PF cube.Oh well when a guy who forgets some jars and calls it a tek gets hyped over a plain lil cubie with weirdspores we shouldn't be suprised ,eh?
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    #5519346 - 04/15/06 09:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

At least that post wasn't bullshit,eh Hippie? :grin:Ya prolly use it a lot :wink:
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    #5519614 - 04/15/06 10:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Whats the diff between Romero Matias, PF Classic and Strofaria?


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    #5519636 - 04/15/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Advanced marketing...:lol:



To bad you didnt think of that concept earlier
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    #5520450 - 04/16/06 08:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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To bad you didnt think of that concept earlier
You could have advanced with us
Chill it




sonny boy, I have grown out the redboy and the redstrain already. I am not kissing Hippies ass for a print I have my own. Maybe if you'ld grown them you would agree maybe not but it ain't YOUR place to tell me to chill as I have not said anything that was not true.As for advancing with you...try and keep up sonny boy.
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    #5520461 - 04/16/06 09:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Whats the diff between Romero Matias, PF Classic and Strofaria?



Matias Romero, An old cubensis strain from the Homestead mushroom co and others has been around since the seventies.
PF Classic, Professor Fanaticus' isolation, shorter fat stemmed cubes bred by Fanaticus or one of his cohorts
Stropharia, is the old genus for cubensis Many of the Older strains carry the Stropharia genus it is however synonomous with Psilocybe..
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    #5520557 - 04/16/06 09:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Advanced marketing...:lol:




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    #5520564 - 04/16/06 09:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

lol. At least it really is RED and not lavender or tan/brown.
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    #5520588 - 04/16/06 10:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

And Roger you also know the important difference between pride in your work and hype. as I have said in the past several posts I APPLAUD the work with the "red-spore" from a breeding perspective. There is a great deal to be learned from the true breeding genetic sport of partialy pigmented spore cubensis. I also reiterate from experience growing both R/B and R/S, They are in every other way unremarkable. It is a collection oddity or a breeding tool and an average(or below) cultivators cubensis.
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    #5520604 - 04/16/06 10:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed. I was hoping Redboy would be red like Agar's poppy, but no such luck. These two strains are excellent markers for further study/hybridization, but soon the novelty of crossing cube strains will wear off, as there's no real challenge there. I'm sure a race is on to produce the first redish spored penis envy, and I hope to win that race, but the real future in this line of research is cross-species and cross-genus hybridization, using the red spores and other macroscopic/microscopic details as a marker. When somebody finally succeeds in pulling that off, nobody will be saying it isn't 'advanced'. Gentlemen, start your engines!
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: OldSpice]
    #5520776 - 04/16/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Listen i know everybody is sooo excited about the "red strain" but what you should really look forward to is the new rainbow colored spore cubensis. IT was geneticaly altered by the top 10 homosexual scientists in the world (also the best dressed). Now this mushroom isnt actualy any different.... it looks to yield a little less then say golden teacher... and it doesnt have a stronger potency but it will cost 2x the normal amount because it has pretty colors. Seriously check it out.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
    #5520879 - 04/16/06 12:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

suck up, maybe if you give RR some tongue
he'll send you a print of his next 'creation'.
LOL
and to hear Agar talk about advanced marketing-
LOL
pot, kettle, BLACK.
all you need now is some
outlandish rube goldberg spore dispenser
like a PEZ and yer in business,
2 years from next tuesday.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5520931 - 04/16/06 12:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:otd: :dumblol: :shitstorm: :calledajoke:


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: agar]
    #5521182 - 04/16/06 02:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You guys wouldnt ever post in here if you couldnt argue all the time and have dick fights :suckit:

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5521275 - 04/16/06 02:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

easy fellas.... were all here for the same purpose...



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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5521308 - 04/16/06 02:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

indeed.
a post made today at 'topia
by PF-
Quote:

don't know
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Here is what I know about the PF RED SPORE -

From having it for years, I an my pal from Holland (also possessing the PF RED spore for many years) both say that the PF RED SPORE does have a uniqueness in that it stays alive (viable) for a lot longer than the regular PF classic. For instance, I had a solution of PF classic spores that was about a year old and it was dead. I had many solutions of PF RED spore - some about 5 years old and they all germinated really nice. So the RED SPORE has some kind of new longevity.

If any of you like to go out and pick wild specimens and take prints, you probably will notice that most of the spores from wild shrooms are reddish. I picked a beautiful all chocalote colored shroom once - chocalot brown from the caps to the stem including the gills - all one color - did a print and the spores were reddish.

My theory is that the PF RED did not change spore color, what happened was that it was already red. All cubies are already red - it is just that they are also purple and the purple drowns out the red because it is a more intense and deeper color. So what happened with the PF RED spore, was that the purple went away leaving the red still there.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5521321 - 04/16/06 02:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

suck up, maybe if you give RR some tongue
he'll send you a print of his next 'creation'.
LOL
and to hear Agar talk about advanced marketing-
LOL
pot, kettle, BLACK.
all you need now is some
outlandish rube goldberg spore dispenser
like a PEZ and yer in business,
2 years from next tuesday.





Let's hear it for ALL hippie has done, after all he has a tek named for him.
It is called "forget you made jars and are damned lucky to have found them with something in them tek". And don't forget he is "friends" with PF who ACCIDENTLY discovered this mutation. So for all he has done here is to Hippie3
:glittershitz: the shining bullshit award for hype and bullshit above and beyond the need of the community
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5521367 - 04/16/06 03:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

DUUUH! I already told you it was a cube spore with a missing pigment probably anthocyanin. As for longevity since you are such a "scientist" better back up that claim by showing some five yr old germinating spores. BTW I am not impressed I just used a 4yr old liquid pluerotus culture with great success. Spores are designed for the long haul. red,pink,black or purple they are designed to survive extended periods. As is mycelium.
Keep looking for something that makes it special besides spore color Hip and good luck :lol:
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
    #5521378 - 04/16/06 03:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:bitch: :whatever:


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5521432 - 04/16/06 03:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hippie, since you seem to love dissing the shroomery and promoting mycotopia, often in a nasty way, why don't you bugger off back there and leave us alone?


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: shirley knott]
    #5521452 - 04/16/06 03:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is getting way off topic. Let's try and be civil here people. There is no need for the sarcasm or flaming. I'm sure there are thousands of topics being discussed at Mycotopia that are discussed here, but that's not really the point. They're both mushroom forums, so I fail to see the relevance.

If this thread continues on this path, it will be closed. It would be a shame to see that happen, so please stay on topic. Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Wronguy]
    #5521945 - 04/16/06 06:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

RR when working with the red-spore did you notice any differention in the mycelium? I am assuming a pin set similar to the PF strain from which it originated, but after the fruit is mature have you noticed any exceptional longevity of the fruit?.How about viability of liquid cultures, any info when they have been dormant for extended periods?. Just curious about the hardyness of the red-strains.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
    #5522010 - 04/16/06 06:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I dont really know much about spore solution longevety - so I might be wrong on this....
Since there is (probably) a natural distribution for how long spores can survive in solution, and we are dealing with literally billions of spores, at least one is likely to survive after a long peroid of time to germinate after inoculation?

I can see that perhaps lots of spores would die, but in such a huge group surely not all of them are dead by that stage?

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Feelers]
    #5522242 - 04/16/06 07:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't work with this strain, although I'd like to. The redboy is originally from florida. This one is from WA State.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5523355 - 04/17/06 01:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Mate why do you keep posting quotes by PF - all your doing is demonstrating how deluded and ignorant he is as a 'professor' or whatever he pretends to be - and suggesting that you buy his drivel...

But maybe that is the case, since I remember a similar 'advanced' thread that hippie provided us was about using a toxin - bleach - as an alternative to using sterile techniques to grow cubensis. Suggesting that rather than using a glovebox, just use a poison and be sloppy...
Cant say your posts impressed me then either Hipster...

Or was that another one of PF's ideas...


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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5523521 - 04/17/06 05:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

LOL
if you think making petty personal attacks on me
is going to hurt my feelings
you're even dumber than i thought.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5523539 - 04/17/06 05:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
    #5523543 - 04/17/06 05:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:

Hippie3:

You were asked once already to keep this flame-free, but yet you continue to feed the fire. I don't find this strain to be so interesting that it's worth watching everyone bicker about it. Maybe we'll see the strain in circulation, maybe we won't. Regardless, it's not worth all this commotion. Your intentions, other than drawing attention to yourself, still remain a mystery to me.

You're welcome to try again and discuss this strain in a professional manner, but it's not happening until everyone cools down.

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