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Hippie3
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Tweexican]
#5511310 - 04/13/06 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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he was being rude so i responded in kind.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5511324 - 04/13/06 07:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't worry about it, bro. I think that it's really cool. I like to see variation and new things in any hobby I am interested in.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: ChromeCrow]
#5511554 - 04/13/06 09:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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ChromeCrow said: but i think the color of the spores is one of the LEAST important trait...
but since this is just another cube, why the hell is this post in the advanced forum?
It belongs in advanced for the very reasons you mentioned, it is just another cube and not really of special interest to people beginning to grow. It is more of interest to experienced growers who may not hang out in the normal cult forum since they have seen and heard most stuff a million times. They may have grown the lot. I see the red spores being of interest to the likes of Workman & Roger who has tried crossing distinct strains. Workmans idea of crossing PE with albinos really shows the effect of crossing and if it is working or not. It is very hard to distinguish a normal cube from another so spotting if they truely did "cross" is difficult. If these consistently drop red spores then it is a pretty unique characteristic, like PE's shape, or albinos colour.
I want to see an albino PE the size of OI and dropping red spores!
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5511731 - 04/13/06 10:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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he was being rude so i responded in kind.
You responded as you always do Hippie, like an ass . I really have to agree with Workman, all this fuss over a mutant spore color. If the fruit had significant morphological or chemistry differences it would be a unique fungus. However it is just a PF with mutant spore color, that's it. I applaud RR in his work breeding the strain back to health and the release of the "original" redspore but only as curiosities not as advancements. Commercial mushroom farms usually get rid of a strain which throws sports. Hobbyists have much more leeway and can afford to play with strains like these. They are however NOT amazing, I have about 500 prints and at least 1/4 exibit the lavender-pinkish tone from 8 different strains. It is obviously a part of the genome already (probably as a recessive) and will likely reappear if it has not already in some cake and just not been printed. IMO the reboy/redspore are good breeding markers in understanding the process of hybridizing strains within the species. They however do not seem to be anything special to the hobby grower/consumer.A cube is a cube bottom line. I would much rather see a temperate highly aggressive cyan or azure strain which fruits over a wide temp band being developed rather than yet another bland cube with interesting spore prints. Just my own opinion. And I DO aplaud the work which has been done to bring this back, especially RR's work in rebreeding the strain I expect some good breeding info to come from this work. Now let's get busy and get a cyan or azure to make sclerotia and fruit at room temp, Have low amounts of active destroying enzymes and stable storage potency. That would be a much more desirable mushroom than a cube with unusual spore color WR
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
#5511770 - 04/13/06 10:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why building on that experience, there's cross-species hybridization work going on now. Initial results look promising. One must crawl before walking. Still, any mushroom that will throw a different presentation, and continue to do it from generation to generation is cool, whether it came from a lab or the wild. RR
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Hippie3
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
#5512817 - 04/13/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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whiterasta said:
...Now let's get busy ...WR
LOL let's = let us. us ? how do you fit in ? nothing but a mouth, as usual.
anyway fuck the haters here's some more pix. a redspore print
and a comparison shot with rr's redboy.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5513127 - 04/13/06 05:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL let's = let us. us ? how do you fit in ? nothing but a mouth, as usual.
anyway fuck the haters here's some more pix. a redspore print
and a comparison shot with rr's redboy.
Hippie... ya dipshit. why do you think I made the suggestions I did? I am working on temperate woodlovers,australian subaeruginosa,and the local azure so, let us =let me,eh? Now before you run that waste pipe you call a mouth, where do I fit in? Wherever my interests lead me. I have stated very clearly and without malice my opinion of these reddish spored cubensis. They may provide some infomation on passing unique traits within a species but the fungi itself is unremarkable in all other ways... I am forced to agree with you about the haters, you are right fuck'em  Now that brown spore print and the pink one are supposed to represent what? Oh yeah some oddly colored spores from a mutant domestic strain right? Now explain why it is important to the hobby grower, ya know it is just another cubie, no specific cultivation advantages or atractive traits. And to advanced mycophiles? Perhaps a visible cue as to how recessive traits are passed during breeding? Or an interesting marketing trait to sell what is essentially a PF strain mushroom with purty spores? Sorry Hip not a hater just realisticly looking at what an average cubensis with reddish spores really means to most cultivators...Not a lot Not discounting any work being done on the red-spore cubensis, all information is valid and how traits are passed in genus Psilocybe is invaluable information. In that respect the redspore may be helpful but as a cultivators strain it is unremarkable. And so the jars of enriched woodchps continue to be encouraged to fruit at 65-70F, others are set in dark corners for long periods looking for sclerotia to form and the hundreds of multi spore cultures are culled down for heat resisitance and agar fruiting w/o significant cold shocking. Perhaps I will be lucky and isolate that warm weather woodlover that summers as a potato sized sclerotia and fruits at room temps in sawdust cakes. But more likely someone like workman will get it done. I do know it will not be Hippie3  WR
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: whiterasta]
#5513256 - 04/13/06 06:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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these strain is for people like me... collectors. that's it. just to say we have it. it doesn't come with any other tricks than red spores and psilocybin.
If anyone has an extra redboy or redspore i would love to check it out for myself.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5513352 - 04/13/06 06:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, now this redboy picture (one on the right) looks more red to me. I really need to see these in person before I judge the color. Photography can play tricks.

Errrr.... I guess I am assuming the one on the right is the redboy, maybe its something else. The post at mycotopia has the same picture and calls it just a purple print. Shit.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Workman]
#5513434 - 04/13/06 07:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, i'm certain that's RR's 'redboy' by comparison to the PFR. i have an extra redboy i could send if you like, WM.. pm me the addy over at 'topia & i'll send.
here's some ordinary cubie spores for color comparison-
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Edited by Hippie3 (04/13/06 08:11 PM)
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5513941 - 04/13/06 09:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would like a slice of that print if possible Hippie One of the better threads in advanced lately
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5514695 - 04/14/06 02:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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My god PF is still utterly full of shit. 'It is a new species because its got red spores' - and im sure the reported 'DNA' study will stay under wraps forever because there isnt one. Id like to see proper compatibility tests on this, but to say its a new species - that 'the professor' as he calls himself managed to create specification in a 'petri' dish from a normal cubensis is laughable. More likely someone sent him a mushroom that has a weird phenotype that popped up one day and he wants to make money out of it like its something significant. I guess a red-spored cubie is kind of cool assuming that it was a common phenotype but really i dont see any reason why this advanced - and agree with the Crow guy.
And What exactly is PF a professor of? Vendor hype?
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5514754 - 04/14/06 03:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think its a cool thing - showing weird and unusual phenotypes is always going to be.  But it is rather silly to claim it's a new species - I think that true speciation has not been created anywhere in the scientific community. (this is that debate with those "pesky fundies" who believe in micro but not macro-evolution) and obviuosly its very hard to recreate without access to a LOT OF TIME.
Just because it's standard procedure to use spore colour as a useful identifiying trait doesnt mean its a new species if its a different colour. I know sweet FA about the technical aspects of identifiying mushrooms, but that's a claim I'd never make. It definately deducts credability, in fact it's bullshit. Looking and selecting for interesting mutants isn't new, you could say we as humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Perhaps someone should see whether it does interbreed with its genetic parent - and even if it doesnt it still wouldnt make it a new species.
Its a fact that you can't get some different dogs to successfully breed (ie really big ones and really little ones) - but would you call a great dane and a shitzu different species? - NO.
Whether it should be in the advanced forum - I wouldn't know, it is something new at least, and it is pretty cool. But as for loose statements like that coming from people who should and DO know better I can't say it inspires my confidence.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Feelers]
#5514776 - 04/14/06 04:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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well said - it does the opposite - demonstrates them to be full of shit...
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5514809 - 04/14/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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as usual it's those who claim to be fit to judge what is 'advanced' that are sorely lacking in vision. here's a thought since some seem bereft of their own- this redspore will, in short order, by crossed with other strains, just as rodger did with his redboy. not that long from now people will be talking about red-spored penis envy albinos, and other exotic crosses- and then you will finally know why it's here.
sure thing, alouna, i'll take care of ya bud.
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Edited by Hippie3 (04/14/06 07:16 AM)
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5515124 - 04/14/06 08:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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so this would really be classified as a new strain not species right??? i mean it has been established that it is a redspored cubensis.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: thenewguy05]
#5515136 - 04/14/06 08:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hippie3 said: yeah, i'm certain that's RR's 'redboy' by comparison to the PFR. i have an extra redboy i could send if you like, WM.. pm me the addy over at 'topia & i'll send.
here's some ordinary cubie spores for color comparison-
the spores on the bottom of the left side of the foil, are looking slightley like the redboy. mainley the outer edges, not the centers. centers look like normal cubensis traits.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: thenewguy05]
#5515322 - 04/14/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i erred, turns out that's not RR's redboy, my apologies. it's a Matias/PFA cross.
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5515437 - 04/14/06 10:20 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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as usual it's those who claim to be fit to judge what is 'advanced' that are sorely lacking in vision. here's a thought since some seem bereft of their own- this redspore will, in short order, by crossed with other strains, just as rodger did with his redboy. not that long from now people will be talking about red-spored penis envy albinos, and other exotic crosses- and then you will finally know why it's here.
It is here because it is slightly unusual compared to the relatively homogenous species group called cubensis and some folks would like to cash out on the minor difference in spore color As for redspored penis envy albino hybrids, unless it is something besides odd looking,BFD It is really nothing exceptional beyong it is missing a pigment in the spore case(probably an anthocyanin). I will repeat this so hippie can understand. The work is great, red spores give an unusual genetic marker to track during breeding. The fruit itself is completly unspectacular as far as growth,strength,yield etc (yes I have grown a flush of both redboy from TEO and a redspore from an associate of mine who knows PF)neither is exceptional in any way besides spore appearance.So yees the breeding work is great the mushroom is unremarkable beyond spore color. Call it a lack of vision but you don't need eyes to smell bullshit.  WR
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Re: PF's redspore cubensis released to the public [Re: Hippie3]
#5515452 - 04/14/06 10:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i erred, turns out that's not RR's redboy, my apologies. it's a Matias/PFA cross.
Amazing, with all those pink spores on the edge of the foil, I can see how you made the mistake  WR
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