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Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons
    #5480973 - 04/04/06 10:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Good Time to Be a Burglar in Britain

You know how sometimes you get stopped by a cop for a traffic violation, and for whatever reason -- maybe you weren't going too much over the posted speed limit, maybe there are no other cars nearby, maybe the cop's in a good mood -- he lets you go with a warning?

That's what Britain will now be doing with burglars: "Let burglars off with caution", police told. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=381799&in_page_id=1770

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Burglars will be allowed to escape without punishment under new instructions sent to all police forces. Police have been told they can let them off the threat of a court appearance and instead allow them to go with a caution.

The same leniency will be shown to criminals responsible for more than 60 other different offences, ranging from arson through vandalism to sex with underage girls.

New rules sent to police chiefs by the Home Office set out how seriously various crimes should be regarded, and when offenders who admit to them should be sent home with a caution.

A caution counts as a criminal record but means the offender does not face a court appearance which would be likely to end in a fine, a community punishment or jail.




Link -- http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19942_Good_Time_to_Be_a_Burglar_in_Britain&only



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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5480994 - 04/04/06 10:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Just as long as they don't legalize drugs. That would just be too logical.


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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5481011 - 04/04/06 10:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The hooligans are loose! The hooligans are loose!


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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5481028 - 04/04/06 10:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I hesitated to post this, actually. The more I look at it, the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's really an April Fool's Day prank article that somehow got printed a few days late. There's no way even the Brits could be this abysmally stupid.



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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Silversoul]
    #5481036 - 04/04/06 10:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Paradigm writes:
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Just as long as they don't legalize drugs. That would just be too logical.




Well (assuming this is a straight article and not a late April Fool prank), the article does note

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Some serious offences - including burglary of a shop or office, threatening to kill, actual bodily harm, and possession of Class A drugs such as heroin or cocaine - may now be dealt with by caution if police decide that would be the best approach.










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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5481044 - 04/04/06 10:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

They are just getting you ready for when police make all disciplinary rulings. They start off with them being able to just give you a warning, then they will start giving out light jail terms, then the courts are obsolete.
haha, yes...

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Gijith]
    #5481633 - 04/05/06 05:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

A free pass to crime? Not even rehabilitation required?

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Gijith said:
The hooligans are loose! The hooligans are loose!



What if they become ruffians?

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: bukkake]
    #5482320 - 04/05/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What if they become ruffians?

We send the SOCA Thundercats after them! Equipped with a Spalding, no less!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4876818.stm

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5482777 - 04/05/06 12:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I can understand the underage sex and vandalism, if the "offences" are kept in reasonable boundries. The other ones are just plain retarted though.


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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5983469 - 08/21/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a fascinating (and disturbing) piece by Theodore Dalrymple which mentions this latest crimefighting technique by the Brits, along with a whole hell of a lot more information on just how bad crime in Britain has become. http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_oh_to_be.html




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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5983592 - 08/21/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They should perform that operation they did in Clockwork Orange to all Britians. :wink:

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Phred]
    #5983867 - 08/21/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I live in England and theres a significant difference between the perception of crime taking place here and the actual crime taking place here. Official figures suggest that overall crime has dropped by one third over the past decade. Despite this drop in England we now imprison a higher proportion of our population than any other Western European state, higher even than Saudi Arabia, China, Burma and Libya ( source Source2 ) . In the last fifteen years our prison population has almost doubled swelling to 78,000 with each inmate costing us $47,000 a year to feed and house!( source ). Part of the reason for this rise is because since labour came to power they have introduced over 700 new crimes. "There is no doubt that there is an endless cycle of politicians winding up the media and the media winding up the public, so you get a mass hysteria," says Lord David Ramsbotham, who was chief inspector of prisons from 1995-2001, The Daily Mail being one of the worst offenders in this regard. Our prisons are now full to the rafters and theres little money or space available to build more. The mentally ill make up a large proportion of the prison population. Thatchers government launched the fantastic 'care in the community scheme' for the mentally ill which really meant, "yeah we are not going to spend any money on the mentally ill, put them in prison or something" ( source ). We have the homeless and injecting drug users also taking up many places. There is a strong link between overcrowding and prison suicides. Since the start of 2004, 56 percent of prison suicides occurred in 35 of the most overcrowded jails in England and Wales. The prison system in this country is now a total wreck kicked about like a party political football by successive governments determined to prove their so-called toughness on crime. Read this article and it may help you see the magnitude of the problem we face. Another weird idea was put forward last year here basically a judge had to check there was enough space before he imposed a custodial sentence!. Prison as a crime prevention measure in the short term is perfect, no crime if people are off the streets obviously. In the long term however it is a joke, two thirds of those released re-offend within 2 years at a cost of $20.2 Billion a year!. Clearly a new method is required that is much smarter. The problem is no politicians are willing to examine this issue in a smart way, the government fumble about with short term reactionary solutions and the opposition just sneer, glad they do not have to confront the issue themselves.

Edited by Andy21 (08/21/06 01:31 PM)

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Andy21]
    #5983970 - 08/21/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story...pen_door_claims

if that holds any water, i cant help but to think they're deserving a little of what they are getting

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Andy21]
    #5983997 - 08/21/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that perception of crime is that of a worse situation than reality, not helped by the media. If you took the Daily Hate as reality, Britain would be a Bollywood version of Mad Max!

Crime in England and Wales 2005/06

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Section 2 Extent and Trends summary

• Despite the number of crimes estimated by the BCS falling in recent years,
comparatively high proportions of people still believe the crime rate to have risen. People
have more positive perceptions of crime in their own area than nationally; 63 per cent of
people thought that crime in the country as a whole had increased compared with 42 per
cent who thought crime in their local area had increased.

• Readers of national ‘tabloids’ were around twice as likely as those who read national
‘broadsheets’ to think the national crime rate has increased ‘a lot’ in the previous two
years (39% and 19% respectively).

• Worry about burglary, car crime and violent crime have remained stable since 2004/05.
However, worry about all three crime types has fallen by approximately one third since
2000.

• The proportion of people perceiving high levels of anti-social behaviour in their local area
has remained stable since 2004/05 at 17 per cent.

• In 2005/06 public confidence in the criminal justice system (CJS) has improved in five of
the seven areas asked about compared with 2004/05.





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Section 2 - Extent and trends summary

• Since peaking in 1995, BCS crime has fallen by 44 per cent, representing 8.4 million
fewer crimes, with domestic burglary and all vehicle thefts falling by over a half (59% and
60% respectively) and violent crime falling by 43 per cent during this period. On the
recorded crime side, both domestic burglary and theft of and from vehicles have
continued to fall over the same period.

• The risk of becoming a victim of crime has fallen from 40 per cent at its peak in 1995 to
23 per cent according to BCS interviews in 2005/06, representing just over six million
fewer victims. This is the lowest level recorded since the BCS began in 1981.
• Property crime accounts for the majority of both BCS and recorded crime (77 and 73 per
cent respectively).

• Violent crime has remained stable according to BCS interviews in 2005/06 compared
with 2004/05. Recorded crime statistics show a two per cent increase in violent crime in
2005/06 compared with 2004/05.





Also the Prison population by offence looks about the same as it was last year. Media hype.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/prisjun06.pdf

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Andy21]
    #5984237 - 08/21/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Despite this drop in England we now imprison a higher proportion of our population than any other Western European state



I don't imagine it occurred to you that the drop in crime was BECAUSE more are imprisoned?


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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5985736 - 08/22/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Could be, but my issue was with public hysteria in regards to crime and how prison is an expensive waste of money in regards to reoffending. Take your own country and compare its prison population size and how effective your hard line against crime has been in preventing it. Compare it to France, Germany, Canada anywhere else. For a conservative country you throw a lot of money away.

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: Andy21]
    #5985798 - 08/22/06 03:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have little trouble with my money going to keep criminals in jail. Seems like money well spent to me.

And as for us being a conservative country, fiscally, that stopped shortly after politicians discovered how easy it is to buy votes from short-sighted assholes.


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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5986270 - 08/22/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have little trouble with my money going to keep criminals in jail. Seems like money well spent to me.




Considering that over half of federal prisoners are serving time for drug offenses, and three fourths of all prisoners are serving time for non-violent offenses, with no history of violence, it seems that your sense of your money being well spent is not based in anything other than your own short-sightedness. :shocked:

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Re: Britain's novel approach to crowded prisons [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5987218 - 08/22/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Forgive me, I come from a planet consisting of only sentient beings.. what's a "prison" and what purpose do they serve on your planet? :confused:


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