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    #5480726 - 04/04/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey when steaming with a pot of water would i screw the lids of the jars on tightly or loosely or just in between and also when you steam the jars i should wrap foil over the taped holes to prevent water from getting it... o yea one more thing is there anybody who has used the steaming method and had very good shroom growth and fruiting. cuz i cant get a PC


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5480761 - 04/04/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Used the steaming method on 6 jars, but now have a PC.  :laugh: Half tightened the jar lids, put masking tape over holes, and foil over lids.  Everything looks great so far...


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Re: Steaming [Re: shroomballa]
    #5480768 - 04/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how long did u steam for??one hour? and did u get good results wqith the steaming method


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5480777 - 04/04/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Steamed for 1 hour, and the jars look just slightly moister than the jars I did in my PC
edit: Two batches (PCed, and Steamed) are currently incubating, so I cannot give final results, sorry


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Re: Steaming [Re: shroomballa]
    #5480779 - 04/04/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

steaming works with pf tek and 1/2 pint jars.. if you are using grains you have to use a pc..


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Re: Steaming [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480786 - 04/04/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Grains??? wtf are those im just using the pf tek like u said with 1/2 pint jars
will i be ok


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5480792 - 04/04/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5480807 - 04/04/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

grains, as in rye berries or wbs(wild bird seed)...

but for the pf tek steaming will be fine.. steam with the lid on for about 1.5 hours.. tape up holes, keep the lids loose but screwed on and wrap foil over top and steam. gl


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Re: Steaming [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480847 - 04/04/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5480858 - 04/04/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

should the jars be airtight or what?


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Re: Steaming [Re: kyleishardcore]
    #5480865 - 04/04/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i have sone this shit many of times chris999 knows haha and ALL get contam i have tryed like 8 times and running out of supplies what the hell am i doing wrong


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Re: Steaming [Re: kyleishardcore]
    #5480877 - 04/04/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can screw the lids on as tight as you want as long as the jars have filters. If they aren't filtered, the lids should be upside down and loose. You just want to make sure they aren't airtight so you don't create a vacuum.


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Re: Steaming [Re: PORkSOdA]
    #5480894 - 04/04/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no, you want to flip the lids upsidedown so the rubber band is on top... this allows gas exchange so the jars do not crack in the heat... keep the lids on loose


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Re: Steaming [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480907 - 04/04/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok ok i think thats were im fuckin up my lids have holes in them so i put foil on the jars and then screwed on the lid tight and there was no air getting in i just now did this what should i do


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Re: Steaming [Re: kyleishardcore]
    #5480950 - 04/04/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

make sure you tape the holes up before you put the tinfoil


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Re: Steaming [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480969 - 04/04/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

alright help me out for a sec lol
ok say i just got done putting my verm/brf and them my 1/2 dry verm on and then what should i do


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Re: Steaming [Re: kyleishardcore]
    #5480999 - 04/04/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Assuming you have wide mouth mason jars with four holes put in them like you're supposed to with the PF tek, you can either put the lids on upside down and loosely, tape the holes, attach the band, cover with foil, then steam... or you can make a filter for the jars, put them on right side up, tape the holes, put the bands on tightly, cover with foil, and then steam... It's pretty simple... you want a way for air to get in and out of the jars while they are heating and cooling, and then while they are colonizing. I personally prefer using a filter and putting the lids on tight, but putting them on upside down and loosely works well too, and you don't need to worry about how to make filters on the lids.


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Re: Steaming [Re: PORkSOdA]
    #5481027 - 04/04/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

fuck i am very challaged at reading and i dont get it like how hte air gets in


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Re: Steaming [Re: kyleishardcore]
    #5481067 - 04/04/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It seems alot more complicated than it is.
When the jars get hot, the insides will expand.
When they start to cool back down, they will contract. Because they are contracting, they will have to pull air into the jars.
If the lids are on right side up, with the rubber seal in contact with the glass, this will create a vacuum, so that when you open up the tape it will suck air into the jar.

The first way to get around this is by putting the lid on upside down, so that the rubber seal is not in contact with the glass, and it cant form an air tight seal.

The second way is to put a filter on the top of the lid, so that as it cools it can suck in sterile air through the filter, regardless of whether the rubber is sealed to the glass or not.

Either way, as the jars colonize they will need a source of oxygen and either of these methods works for that too.
Just putting the lids on loosely and upside down is alot simpler, but imo not as good as making a simple filter out of either polyfil or tyvek.


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Re: Steaming [Re: chris999]
    #5481364 - 04/05/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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chris999 said:
Hey when steaming with a pot of water would i screw the lids of the jars on tightly or loosely or just in between and also when you steam the jars i should wrap foil over the taped holes to prevent water from getting it... o yea one more thing is there anybody who has used the steaming method and had very good shroom growth and fruiting. cuz i cant get a PC




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I have had very good mushroom growth and fruiting.  Hell I do all my steamings now over a fire in cast iron handlepots.  Here are some of the tricks for ovensteaming.

{You need a big pot with a lid.  I talked to somebody recently who prescribes cut circles from t-shirts (cut to the steaming pot's lid) stacked on the bottom of the pot so the boiling bubbles will go around the jars and pot.

#!hot tip: tyvek is important and necessary; here's why~
Notice how when you boil your jars the tyvek disc screwed over the 4-holed lid and under the ring paracutes upwards like a muffin - this is because heat's making the air and shit expand and air's escaping [THROUGH the tyvek filter].  Realize that in any boiling, if the jars were actually airTIGHT completly they would have severely increased internal pressure and risk rupturing from said force.
Why's this important for your contam problem?  Take off the lid while you're steaming (on a cloth (I use boiled leather) 4 jars held down with a little pot's lid on top of them, with the steaming pot's lid on top of that - will require 65-70 minutes of boiling .5-.75 submersion, to be safe and wane some water from the jars, preparing the substrate for inoculation) ...you were listening to me right; take off the lid while you're steaming these jars in your big pot.  The tyvek muffin-top parachutes shall be blown upon veritably by thou~ and thus you will see them quickly retract and (suck) to the flat tops of your canning lid discs.  This is because now cooled past a certain point, they're sucking in air (hope that kid that had the contams reads this; this thread was a mess.  Friends growing together or some shit).  This is why when steaming your jars it's a good idea to come up on the allotted steaming time, and then cut your heatsource with the pot on it and allow it to chill for a second with the lid on.  After a while, transfer it to a safebox with liberal lysol\oust (cardboard is FINE) on top of the jars to allow it to fully cool while contammy air is attempted to be sucked into the jars.  You can use foil but tyvek is a godsend filter.  You can fill that 1"' (mm) dish on top of each jar (fill the canning ring) with water during a boil and it'll mainly stay out and evaporate.  When needing to add more hot water to your boiling pot, you can pour directly onto the single-tyvek filter tops to fill the pot.  Also you want your ring to be screwed on tightly so more air's going between (and woosh through) tyvek and metal than metal and glass.  Damn feels good to be back.  Sorry for the high post.  :laugh:

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