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ANOTHER wbs question
    #5480688 - 04/04/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

last time i pc'd wild bird seed the end product came out much too dry.  Here is what I did:
  - soaked the wbs for over 48 hours
  - i drained it and forgot about it for 3 or 4 hours
  - filled each jar 1/2 full
  - pc'd 75 minutes
I think by letting the stuff sit out too long it dried up.  Can this be a problem?  Everyone says, "ebass, ebass, you'll save time if you skip the simmering".  Thanks for the advice but I screwed it up somehow. :crazy2:
The time before that I soaked for 24 hours and simmer for 20 min while stirring constantly, keeping a close eye on the seeds for popping.  Stuff came out great.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: ebass]
    #5480767 - 04/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It depends how dried out it is... it can be a problem, but they can colonize some pretty dry substrates. If you aren't using the WBS to spawn a bulk substrate, your flushes will probably be alot smaller than if the WBS was properly hydrated...
I personally skip the soaking and just simmer for about an hour then rinse, let sit for about 10 minutes, then load into the jars. Saves alot more time than skipping the simmering after a soak.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: PORkSOdA]
    #5480812 - 04/04/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You must simmer. That is the point where the wbs gets its moisture content. 30-45 minutes.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: PermuhGrin]
    #5480837 - 04/04/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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PermuhGrin said:
You must simmer.  That is the point where the wbs gets its moisture content. 30-45 minutes.



:thumbup:

i dunno who everyone is, but you cannot skip simmering step.. cutting corners is not the way to go in this hobby.  gotta simmer


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480856 - 04/04/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

simma down now...i said sim...simma....siiimmmmaaaaa ddooooowwwwwnnnnn nooowwwwww....simma down now!


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: ebass]
    #5480958 - 04/04/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Guess what song is stuck in my head NOW?  :biggrin:


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5480983 - 04/04/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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K_NIRB said:
Quote:

PermuhGrin said:
You must simmer.  That is the point where the wbs gets its moisture content. 30-45 minutes.



:thumbup:

i dunno who everyone is, but you cannot skip simmering step..
cutting corners is not the way to go in this hobby.  gotta simmer





Start a new post titled "the only way to pressure cook properly is to soak AND simmer...anything else is just laziness...yeah im talking to YOU loser"

You'll see who everyone is.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: ebass]
    #5481042 - 04/04/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think alot of people just do one or the other... I know I never soak. I've read alot people saying they don't simmer... both methods seem to work fine.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: K_NIRB]
    #5481056 - 04/04/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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K_NIRB said:
Quote:

PermuhGrin said:
You must simmer.  That is the point where the wbs gets its moisture content. 30-45 minutes.



:thumbup:

i dunno who everyone is, but you cannot skip simmering step.. cutting corners is not the way to go in this hobby.  gotta simmer




I don't simmer WBS & have been doing mush/cult probably since you were 3 months old.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: agar]
    #5481534 - 04/05/06 02:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

agar you are the man, how long do you soak for? do you have city water or well agar?


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: DaCultivater]
    #5481546 - 04/05/06 02:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

READ THIS

City water, well water or whatever.

Just not real HARD water.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: agar]
    #5481550 - 04/05/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

oh ya lol i have read that a few times lol


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: ebass]
    #5481630 - 04/05/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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ebass said:
The time before that I soaked for 24 hours and simmer for 20 min while stirring constantly, keeping a close eye on the seeds for popping. Stuff came out great.




Try simmering for 30 minutes to an hour and skipping the soak. Why soak for hours when you can be completely done with your jars in about 2?


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: ebass]
    #5481689 - 04/05/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The failsafe method that is recommended highly by Psyconaught:
Not invented, implemented.)

KayTEE brand, Bird seed is fungicide free and very nicely blended.

Soak WBS for 18 hours.

Drain WBS for 15 minutes.

Fill jars 1/2 - 3/5 full of WBS.

Cover jar with Tyvek, Polly-fill/Lid.

PC jars for 90 minutes at 15psi.

Inoculate.

Incubate.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: FooMan]
    #5482150 - 04/05/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Try simmering for 30 minutes to an hour and skipping the soak. Why soak for hours when you can be completely done with your jars in about 2?




:grin::thumbup: I agree. I never pre-soak. Just an extra, unneccessary step. Honestly, I really don't even simmer. I STEEP the grain in coffee-hot water for a little over an hour. Very few exploded grains, and the grains are at max water capacity. What's the pre-soak for really? Germinating endospores? If you're PCing properly, they're not a concern.


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Re: ANOTHER wbs question [Re: Premedman1]
    #5482681 - 04/05/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i skip the long drain. a little verm fixes the extra water thing.


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