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iamsaint
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is there any proof that a
#5480631 - 04/04/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i mean, i know people say they've od'd on shrooms, and had to go to the hospital, but mainly just because they were freakin out, my last trip was a really really bad one and my mom thought i may have had eaten a poisonous mushroom in the bag that could have killed me or some crazy talk like that. ive never actually heard of a death caused by just shrooms.. though is it possible? and while im at it, could someone clear up the "its impossible to
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indica


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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: iamsaint]
#5480640 - 04/04/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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well, read some damn info in the forums and shroomery database. But, I suppose I'll do it for you hehehe
it's nearly impossible to OD from PSILOCYBIAN mushrooms (the shrooms you should have gotten...) unless you consume more mushrooms than you stomach can hold....
only possible to die from eating mushrooms that aren't of the magical (psilocybin) variety.
They are harmless and the effects will be gone by about 12 hours max unless you have a brain disorder
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Festivus
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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: indica]
#5680903 - 05/27/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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To OD on cubensis you'd have to eat roughly 5 lbs of dried mushrooms. For most people, that isn't an issue.
It is possible to eat a poisonous shroom that can be severely detrimental to your health, but it isn't likely to be mixed in with your other mushrooms unless they were picked in the wild and someone made a mistake.
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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: Festivus]
#5681081 - 05/27/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can have a drug induced stroke from eating too much psilocybin. i think it's the baeocystin that gets you, but not sure. it comes from eating massive doses of ultra potent varieties like cyans. or if you dose for days and days and days without letting up.
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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: iamsaint]
#5681392 - 05/27/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/24401
Has anyone ever died from eating psilocybes?
There is one documented case of a man who consumed large amounts of P. semilaceata and died thereafter. The experts who investigated this case are still not united as to whether it was because of the mushrooms or some other reason.
The LD50 for psilcybin is as follows:
285 mg/kg i.v.(mice) 280 mg/kg i.v. (rats) 12.8 mg/kg i.v. (rabbits)
All of these dosages are intravenous meaning into the vein. To reach these concentrations orally, without vomiting, would take an extreme amount of diligence.
Looking at the scale of comparitive potency and assuming that .6% of an average cubensis mushroom is active (6 milligrams), and that a strong to heavy dose of psilcybin/cin is 20mg, we see that it would take a monumental dose(several pounds of dried mushrooms) to accidently overdose.
This fits the dosage curve (6 milligrams per gram X 4 grams of mushrooms = 24mg dose)
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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: motaman]
#5681996 - 05/27/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The current estimated LD50 for psiloc(yb)in in humans is around one's own body weight in fresh mushrooms (Psilocybe cubensis, generally speaking). For a person of average body weight, this could range anywhere from 10 to 14 dry lbs. (or 110-150 lbs. fresh). the average human stomach can only hold ~3 lbs. of matter before expanding (and eventually exploding), so the consumption of this much material (even the previously suggested ~5 lbs.) would require the complete filling of one's stomach with shrooms, puking them up, then refilling your stomach again and repeating the process however many times it takes to OD. This act is logically impossible unless one is specifically determined to die of mushroom overdose. It is also believed that one would not even be able to consume such a quantity of mushrooms for 3 different reasons. 1.) You would probably black out before you got to the second stomach-full (possible but unfounded). 2.) you would become so intoxicated that you would forget how to eat mushrooms (unlikely). 3.) Your body's gag reflex would eventually become so strong that you would not be able to down a mushroom without immediately puking it up (a likely theory with some scientific basis).
Basically, one would probably find it easier to overdose on water than on mushrooms.
I have not heard of any cases of psiloc(yb)in causing stroke. Could some one please give me a source for this information? In my personal opinion, psiloc(yb)in causing stroke is unlikely. My opinion comes from the research that is being done on psilocybin's activity on cluster headaches. It has been shown that cluster headaches are an extreme form of tension headache that is caused by an enlarged nerve in the neck/brain (I am not completely sure of this information, feel free to source-check it: www.clusterheadaches.com ). Psilocybin relieves the pain of these headaches, supposedly by easing the swelling of the said nerve. If this is so, then it is not likely that psiloc(yb)in causes stroke, which is often caused by brain swelling [however, this is not always the case, and research may prove that psiloc(yb)in actually weakens blood vessels in the brain, making it prone to stroke (again, unproven)].
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I had a friend who ate 3 grams of cyanescens, 7 grams of liberty caps and 1 big amanita all on an empty stomach. He didn't die, but he was so high he thought he was going to die, and probably wished he did. That was larger than the dose I took, which was over 10 grams of liberties and experienced level 5. I basically was so high I couldn't see or comprehend anything. I went into comatose for about a couple hrs to eventually come out of it.
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Re: is there any proof that a [Re: capliberty]
#5682556 - 05/28/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ppl have seizures on mushrooms all the time, i had 1 on acid and i only took 1 hit. shrooms and cid r more dangerous than ppl think
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