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Kaleidoscope
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peer pressure
#5480482 - 04/04/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK, so we all know about the drug propaganda machine and how they like to go on about peer pressure. The truth is, peer pressure is quite real. it may not be this "come on man, you gotta do acid to be cool." that seems to be what DARE and the like teaches kids. I think it's more of a, "so an so I know has done it and said it was cool and said he'd do it with me so maybe I will cause I'm curious." How do you feel about this? Is it OK to encourage someone to try psychedelics that has never done it before and facilitate their entrance into the world of drugs? The reason I ask is because this is not how I was introduced to psychedelics and i feel that it was better than if i had been. I got into them because I heard about them in high school health class, they sounded cool, and I read about them for three years before I tried anything. Since getting into them, I have introduced two people to them. One is my roomie he did shrooms with me as a simultaneous first experience for both of us. The other was a friend that we got interested in it and gave a first experience to. In the case of my roomie, it was a good thing I think, he seems to get a lot out of these things and he's doing fine. Our friend though, I'm just not sure if it was a good thing we introduced him to it. I almost feel a little guilty about it actually. So what I'd like to know is, what do you think about introducing people to psychedelic drugs? Is there a proper way to do it? Is it morally acceptable? I just would like to know what everyone thinks.
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Abrainspot
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Well theres a difference between selling drugs, and just telling a friend to try a drug cause you think its cool. Trust me, it'll eat away at you after a while when u realize u dosed a large amount of people in your class just to make some cash .
In your case tho, it seems like you found something interesting and benefinical / fun, and told a friend. Personally, i see no harm in that. If the person doesnt have the will power (correct term?) to decide not to try the drug, then doing the drug might end up giving them a lesson in just that. Not sure if that makes sense, ive already had a couple beers haha
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Kaleidoscope
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yeah, that makes sense...like I said I almost feel bad about it. lol
but more I was just wondering about people's opinions on introducing others to psychedelics and if there is a right way to do it.
you're right on about introducing people for profit IMO...I'd feel like shit if I did that.
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indica


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In my personal opinion, I have introduced probably 4 people to psychedelics by saying both "I'm getting some acid/shrooms tonight, you should have some with me" and "man you gotta try it. (psychedlics) are sooooo much fun"
but all my trips lately have consisted of "stop trying to get people into these things. Everyone is different. Let them find it for themselves." IE - If someone is to find shrooms, or is someones pot dealer says "I can get some acid" or whatever, then that's not really peer pressure so much as giving them an option. Whereas, when you say "man you should have some with me" or "man its so good, you gotta have it" then that is sort of swaying them in the direction from YOUR point of view, whereas if they have the option of having it because it's available, not so much as offered then it's their decision with no outside influence.
Let's just hope that they aren't going to say "no because I read on the government web site that acid makes your brain bleed and shrooms give you heart attakcs" lol
I feel bad for pushing my friends into it. Most of the time, they haven't really enjoyed it as much as I made it seem and it affected me in the end as well. One friend said "it wasn't THAT great" (low quality acid that wasn't THAT powerful but still had a bit of kick) and said that I'd given it a lot of hype.
I suppose you should make it available enough without pressuring people into having it.
But what if someone asks your opinion? And what if it's on the table for offer and they say "what's it like?" what do you say then?
"Just try it and find out for yourself... too hard to describe. Some people like it, others don't and you will never never know if you never never go"
Fuck I'm a weirdo
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indica


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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480536 - 04/04/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's probably why Tim Leary wasn't so popular.
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Kaleidoscope
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480554 - 04/04/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd agree about presenting them in a neutral fashion if possible.
as far as what you said about hyping them too much in some people's opinions...well that never happens with me. It's always free for the newb, free shrooms and weed all night, only condition being that the person has to eat an entire eighth. Of course, they are informed that it's going to be intense and that they don't need to do it, they can still chill and smoke with us if they don't wanna trip. Thats how I was introduced and between my roomie and I, we can keep people out of bad territory for the most part. No one under my care has had a bad trip yet.
If someone is curious nowadays, I normally just try to answer their questions without sounding like I'm talking about the end all be all of drugs. I don't push one way or another.
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indica


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that's where I went wrong. I always pushed people. Thanks to me, half of all my old good friends are now ecstacy (MDMA) junkies, pot junkies, and they all say "man I can't wait for shrooms" because I've hyped it all up so much and told them so much about my own experiences and have built up this expecation for them without them even trying it :P
I feel like a fool because of it and I'm not going to be doing that any more (my last tripped kicked my ass on this topic).
I suppose, they enjoy the drugs they're over indulging in, but I've slowly seen them go way downhill since I came back from a holiday saying "MAN ECSTACY IS THE BEST DRUG EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE IT OMG YOU HAVEN'T LIVED UNTIL YOU'VE FELT THE LOVE OMG" and now they're all going way over board on it and wrecking themselves and ignoring my warnings of "careful guys.... perhaps you're doing it too much"
I'll just let them find out for themselves, as I had to as well... the hard way.
So from now on, if I came across it, I'd just say something like "I'm getting some acid" or "going shroom hunting" and if they say "can I have some" or "can I come" I'll just say "sure, but don't blame me if the outcome is unpleasant" and all the other disclaimer jargon that goes with it.
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drugs are bad!
that's what the people who haven't tried them say.
i don't know how to combat that really. it seems like it would be a bad and dangerous thing to convince people to dose on something...... but..... it could also be the best thing that ever happened to them and inspire them to live more peacefully and spiritually.
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Kaleidoscope
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480595 - 04/04/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the same reason as you feel bad about giving your friends E, I won't give people 2C-I any more...luckily for my friends, they think i can't get it anymore and don't know where to get it themselves.
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indica


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that's a good thing. Let their own scummy dope dealer say "man I can get some acid" (around here, it's most likely DOB or DOI anyway... the last acid trip AFOAF got was the size of a postage stamp and rectangular...) so they can find it for themselves. I'm so sick and frustrated of trying to make people see the truth, I'll just them find it for themselves. If they do it for the wrong reasons, I can only hope they don't enjoy it and swear themselves off it.
Pot is just the rebound drug, really. IMO if they can't handle the powers of the lsd or the shrooms, perhaps they were only meant to ever have pot and ecstacy.
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indica


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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480615 - 04/04/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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btw... how is 2c-i in comparison to, say, LSD?
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Kaleidoscope
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480697 - 04/04/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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...it's more of a "fun" psychedelic...very clear headed with euphoria and pretty intense OEVs. Not really much of a chance for a bad trip...even in the heavy dosage range. It feels more like a high with visuals than a trip. It's great for watching movies or listening to music. It's definately a social drug...people are a good thing when on 2C-I. Also, it's a warm feeling drug where i find acid to be more cold and shivery.
if you are looking for a 2C-x thats going to even hold a candle to the classics like LSD, Shrooms, and Mescaline look into 2C-E...
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indica


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I've been thinking of ordering some 2c-e and 2c-i, they sound pretty fun.
Just a bit worried that the places I'm ordering them from (online shops) dont ship to where I live.. How are they classified?
I've heard 2c-i is like a cross between LSD and ecstacy. Anyhoo, back to the peer pressure topic... it's kind of interesting.
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TurricaN
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5480990 - 04/04/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If someone is interested and it is someone who I consider 'intelligent', I tell them of my own experiences, tell them where they can get more information and then let them decide for themselves.
If someone is interested but it is someone who I don't consider 'intelligent', I generally try to downplay the experience, like, I describe it truthfully, but in a way that emphasises the non-recreational aspects of the experience rather than the 'I saw colours!' aspects that these types of people seem to be attracted to.
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indica


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Re: peer pressure [Re: TurricaN]
#5481132 - 04/04/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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that's a better way of putting it. The people I know are all in it for 'getting fucked up' and see it as a more 'hardcore' version of weed.
Same with acid.
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5481277 - 04/04/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Peer Pressure is part of human nature.
Let if fuckin be.
We're all being pressured to do something. By authority, friends, family, etc...
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indica


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Re: peer pressure [Re: Ginseng1]
#5481290 - 04/04/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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somehow, I think this is different... kind of falls under the same category of 'forcing your beliefs onto people'
let them fuckin be (make up their own minds without saying "c'mon! you know you want to!" that's just the likely precursor to a bad trip for them...)
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supersapien
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Re: peer pressure [Re: indica]
#5481620 - 04/05/06 04:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bah, I tell just about everyone about the wonders of drugs, though I haven't done it as much lately out of pure frustration. Most people are too stupid to understand the far-reaching positive effects that are possible because the propaganda machine is utterly successful, even if ridiculous.
But in my opinion, "peer pressure" has a negative connotation attached to it because it assumes that the pressurer stands to benefit from the pressuree giving in. That is not usually the case, in my experience anyway. And IME, the pressurer only does the pressuring because he believes the pressuREE stands to gain. That's how it goes in my case, anyway, and that should be the only reason there is to do it.
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