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mungojerry
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Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred
#5479293 - 04/04/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Please help me clarify this... Shrooms and all psychedelics for that matter are different from other drugs...right? its not just being fucked up.....psychedelics are beautful and mind expanding... right? this guy im talking to sais he doesnt trip anymore because all his friends are stupid now....but i truly feel shrooms make u wiser and can guide u to relize many great things unlike most drugs please tell me what u guys think
and ps he sais im just gonna go stupid eventually...although i feel ive learned a lot will shrooms just make me stupid? is this not a beaut
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: mungojerry]
#5479303 - 04/04/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sacred or recreational is upto the user. Some people few it as a sacred drug for self exploration and mind expansion, many others view it as just another drug to get fucked up on.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: kaniz]
#5479313 - 04/04/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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will they fry my brain as he sais?
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: mungojerry]
#5479347 - 04/04/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, they can't fry your brain. They can trigger latent psychological issues however, especially if used frequently, so just use a degree of respect and caution.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: dblaney]
#5479378 - 04/04/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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any drug could really be sacred.
i mean like if you drink 3 beers and go to bed you can have INSANE lucid dreams where you can have out of body experiences and mess with your chi.
last time i did that... in fact it right freaked me out... my solar plexus was so open that i felt i would be in danger of combusting.........
i can't really seem to dream WITH chi and those kinds of spontaneous lucidity effects sober..... or should I say the REM rebounds alcohol induce make going instantly lucid very easy.
so in that light, beer could be used as a sacred sacrament for lucid dreaming.
So..... what it boils down to is, why do you use? What does using make you feel? What are the short and long term effects of using? And are you being honest with yourself?
Psychedelics in particular have a favorable appeal as far as sacred substances go...... but that's not to say that they are or aren't.
Here's the hint though, you cannot just simply use and expect to be enlightened, it requires sober work too...... if you use them for perspective or even for fun now and then, that's your choice, but you can't drop acid 4 times a week and expect that one day it will make you a Buddha.... I don't really think it works that way....
but ... we all will become a Buddha at some point, so hey... who knows. Just TRUST YOURSELF.... don't trust what uneducated people tell you... they'll tell you the world is flat, you're going to hell, and that marijuana is more addictive than cigarettes. They'll tell you 2+2=5 and they are not the right people to consult about something that they have been brainwashed to hate.
Shrooms won't fry your mind, they could make you psychotic, and maybe everything they show you is fake. Or maybe it's incredibly real. And likely it may be both at the same time or neither of the above. They are not addictive or physically dangerous but the insights and experiences they produce could be very psychologically dangerous if your mind isn't ready to experience such things.
They can kill your ego and thrust you into the bardo of clear light, destroy any sense of body and kill just about everything about you except YOU.... read the psychedelic experience here for more info: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_experience/psychedelic_experience.shtml and if you go that far out not prepared you could mess things up or really freak out.
So, you just have to trust yourself. Don't take massive doses unless you're the kind of person that loves to.... don't let other people tell you "come on man eat it all" or "don't do it at all, it's bad for you!" just make your own decision, and make it with the best wisdom for the future that you can.
There are other ways of getting into ecstatic mystical states, ways such as yoga, dreaming, meditation, tai chi..... ways that require hard work..... but ways that can KEEP YOU HIGH once you get high with them.... forever. As far as you can go, that's how far practicing a sober meditational practice will eventually take you.
But shamanism? Well that's trickier.... it may take you just as far but you have to be more careful and.... respect the mushroom if it is your vehicle of choice.
Look back a few pages for a thread called "Be here NOW!" and read the book provided.... I can't recommend enough it really seems simple and completely true and honest......and I the guy who wrote it (assuming it was by Ram Dass?) was a frequent LSD user at one time before turning more towards grounded spirituality.
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Edited by leery11 (04/04/06 02:26 PM)
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WillieTomg
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: leery11]
#5479403 - 04/04/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If mushrooms made his friends stupid then it's probably because they ate shrooms all the time at every opportunity, and now they're permafried--in which case they were stupid before the shrooms, and the point is moot. Shrooms != weed, and you can't trip every day, or even close to it. With time spent between trips to allow for processing and reflection, and provided that you don't have any underlying mental issues, shrooms are one of the safest drugs you can do.
Your friend is talking out of his ass.
Edited by WillieTomg (04/04/06 02:27 PM)
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: leery11]
#5479425 - 04/04/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i like to think of shrooms as being 'sacred' and deserving a certain respect because theyre so mystical in quality. first, the psilocybin serves no survival purpose. most animals and plants adapt certain traits to survive (ie lizards that blend in with their environment), but shrooms have this chemical that they do not seem to gain any benifit from... almost like it was put there intentionally, not just evolved.
shrooms have an extremely unusual lifecycle and appearance, almost alien. some kill, some cure, some cause temporary paralysis, they seem to almost be magical and out of place on our planet.
not that theyre magic or alien or anything, but they are powerful. unlike a lot of other drugs, nothing is sythesized or extracted. theyre grown and eaten just like you would eat any other fruit. there is definatly somethign special about them, and i hate the idea of people who just wanna get 'fucked' on them. personally i dont like the idea of getting drunk, stoned, etc, but thats my own thing.
heres another interesting fact... the guy (name?) who first brought shrooms into the mainstream in the 60s went to the village in mexico where they were used in a healing ceremony by a certain curandera (name?). she happily performed the ceremony for him and shared her knowledge. as more and more tourists came to 'find god' or get fucked up, she says her power begain to drain away, and the shrooms began to lose their mystical quality.
ok now im just rambling, but its hard for me to explain why i respect them so much. i just think everyone should treat them as a learning tool, and not as a party toy. i love the effects and the trip as much as everyone else, but i also respect them for more than just a toy...
sry if this doesnt make much sense.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5479670 - 04/04/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are power plants and should be respected as such. Those who do not respect them deserve what comes. There is no excuse for ignorance.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5479697 - 04/04/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I eat mushrooms once in a while these days. They are indeed special, I find.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5479718 - 04/04/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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And whats wrong with using psychedelics as a recreational substance, or 'just to have a good time, and a few laughs with friends?'
Humans need interaction, and we need laughter and 'to have fun', and can play an important role in being healthy. Hell, some of the benifits of laughing are.
* reduce stress, * lower blood pressure, * elevate mood, * boost immune system , * improve brain functioning, * protect the heart, * connect you to others, * foster instant relaxation, and * make you feel good.
So even if you are just using mushrooms to have a fun time with friends and laughing your asses off - it does provide benefit to the person. Relaxation, feeling good, protecting the heart, boosting the immune system.
Mushrooms (and many other, but not all psychedelics) tend to have a bit of a duel nature to them. With mushrooms, I find there is a bit of a 'heaven and hell', a very duel nature. One that is very fun and playful to them, and another that is very challenging and hard - to ignore one part of them and only focus on the other, is doing a bit of a discredit to the substance.
Yes, mushrooms and psychedelics are very powerful, and have alot of potential to be helpful and useful tools. But, they can also be very fun, and as long as a person is using them responsibly, even if recreationally - I dont see what the problem is.
Responsible, Recreational and Respectfull use are not exlusive from eachother.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: mungojerry]
#5479731 - 04/04/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms are as sacred as belly button lint.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: kaniz]
#5479850 - 04/04/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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kaniz said: And whats wrong with using psychedelics as a recreational substance, or 'just to have a good time, and a few laughs with friends?'
Humans need interaction, and we need laughter and 'to have fun', and can play an important role in being healthy. Hell, some of the benifits of laughing are.
* reduce stress, * lower blood pressure, * elevate mood, * boost immune system , * improve brain functioning, * protect the heart, * connect you to others, * foster instant relaxation, and * make you feel good.
So even if you are just using mushrooms to have a fun time with friends and laughing your asses off - it does provide benefit to the person. Relaxation, feeling good, protecting the heart, boosting the immune system.
Mushrooms (and many other, but not all psychedelics) tend to have a bit of a duel nature to them. With mushrooms, I find there is a bit of a 'heaven and hell', a very duel nature. One that is very fun and playful to them, and another that is very challenging and hard - to ignore one part of them and only focus on the other, is doing a bit of a discredit to the substance.
Yes, mushrooms and psychedelics are very powerful, and have alot of potential to be helpful and useful tools. But, they can also be very fun, and as long as a person is using them responsibly, even if recreationally - I dont see what the problem is.
Responsible, Recreational and Respectfull use are not exlusive from eachother.
ive seen your posts around and im sure youve seen mine. we both have differing views about recreational drug use. i respect yours, and i agree that laughing and acting silly with friends is cool. there are a number of reasons i feel differntly though.
first, im already a very very silly/stupid person. i act like a complete psycho as it is... people are often like "man, if youre this crazy sober, how insane would you be stoned/drunk/tripping/wired?!"
second, i feel akward/stupid when im not at my fullest wit. i feel one of the greatest attributes a person can have is wisdom and knowledge. naturally other people feel other ways, for instance people respect strength, charisma, power, etc. when stoned or drunk, it seems that wisdom and knowledge is kinda sapped away. until youre a blubbering stuttering fool. NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE WHO IS A BLUBBERING STUTTERING FOOL. LOL. anyways...
mushrooms, and i assume other psycadelics since i havent tried any others, can give you a good time with all the visuals, senastatia, body highs etc, and i think theyre awesome! but i think the wisdom and knowledge i gain from the experience related to my psyche, perspective etc is far more valuable than a few giggles.
friends are a good thing to have, fun is a good thing to have, and both together is even greater (if you only knew the sillinesses i have perputrated upon society...), but i dont like to mix something i respect as a great imbuer of knowledge and changer of perspective with mundance delights (how pretentious does taht sound lol).
now this is how i feel, and isnt the 'right answer' but rather it is a perspective to consider.
this post seems to be an easier to understand reason why i respect mushrooms in an almost sacred way. i respect kaniz and his view, but i just have to disagree on this point.
also, please dont take offence to any of this those of you who get pissed easily.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5480019 - 04/04/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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rDr4g0n said: also, please dont take offence to any of this those of you who get pissed easily.
(Hint: If they get pissed easily, then it won't matter if you ask them not to get pissed or not.)
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: WillieTomg]
#5480123 - 04/04/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WillieTomg said: If mushrooms made his friends stupid then it's probably because they ate shrooms all the time at every opportunity, and now they're permafried--in which case they were stupid before the shrooms, and the point is moot. Shrooms != weed, and you can't trip every day, or even close to it. With time spent between trips to allow for processing and reflection, and provided that you don't have any underlying mental issues, shrooms are one of the safest drugs you can do.
Your friend is talking out of his ass.
can you do like 1 gram "stone" doses every few days instead of taking weed though? It sure would be easier to get a huge supply of shroomies (by which I mean, grow them in the Netherlands or America in a paralell universe where freedoms are viciously guarded) than it would be for the herb.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: WillieTomg]
#5480290 - 04/04/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
WillieTomg said:
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rDr4g0n said: also, please dont take offence to any of this those of you who get pissed easily.
(Hint: If they get pissed easily, then it won't matter if you ask them not to get pissed or not.)
lol, (i can whisper too!)
seriously though i just wanted to clarify that im not attacking anyone, but rather voiceing my opinion
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: mungojerry]
#5480316 - 04/04/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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They're only sacred if you think they are. One man's sacrament can be another's toy. If you're catholic, that wafer at church is sacred, but to an atheist it's a tasteless little piece of unleavened bread. Mushrooms are sacred to me, where 2C-I is just a fun time for the most part. Both are considered psychedelics, but have totally different effects. One reveals the secrets of the universe to me and the other just lets me see pretty colors and patterns. It's all about what it does for you.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5480459 - 04/04/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i prefer to do mainly solo trips and those i find very enlightening because i can just concentrate on myself and my thoughts. when i trip with friends (once in a while) i love having great laughs and being silly. i also like enlightening people to use shrooms as a spiritual device rather than to get fucked up and this has already worked with two and I'm happy to each his own right heh.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: mungojerry]
#5480736 - 04/04/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sacred "they are to me" and my friend...If only people learn to respect there drugs, they would be responsible enough to use them correctly...
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: superbob57]
#5480769 - 04/04/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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everything is what you make it. but as for recreational drug use why cant spirtutaltity be fun happy silly? why cant everything that we do be holy and fun mind blowing and hilarious at the same time. its not like heven is some place you must be completely solem all the time. you can have fun and go crazy and still learn from it like I said just how you make it. there is a diffrence I feel though than smoking weed laughing at the tv than smoking or what ever and chilln with your friends and going crazy just to go crazy. you really just have to look at things without yourself and look into there true energy and see what will get and keep you high, stoned, enlighted what ever you call it. just surround yourself in bliss and you wont have to do anything it will all just happen.
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Re: Please Tell Me Shrooms Are Sacred [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5480909 - 04/04/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bah, I keep comming off overly-wordy in my response so keep re-writing.
In short, I dont think that recreational use can suddenly exclude a meaningful expierence. Some of my most meaningful and profound moments while tripping, have come during trips where the primary intent was a 'fun' and recreational time.
Sure, there is the benifits of the good time in itself. But, I've also found myself getting much more benifit and self exploration and all the other 'good' qualities of mushrooms beyond that good time.
Also, for me : I find when I'm sober. I am VERY self analyitical, very serious, very 'all work and no games'. I am a very quiet, self contained person who analyizes myself all the time. What I'm doing, why I'm doing it, my motivations for doing it - trends in my actions, whats the deeper meaning of these actions. To be frank - the 24/7 self analysis can get quite exhausting.
On mushrooms and other psychedelics. Its like seeing the world through the eyes of a two year old and everything is new and amazing again. I get that child-like playfullness and sense of wonder back that I just dont have in my 'day to day' life.
I get excited, I get scared, I get sad, I get sucked into playfull conversations and joking and laugh in ways that I just dont do while sober.
Yes, I do still do the self-analysis while tripping, and do get new perspectives on things that I may not of been aware of before. But also that fun and playful side of it - is something which I really enjoy and think I gain more from it then simply a few laughs.
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