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JacquesCousteau
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478499 - 04/04/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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goobler said:
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TripMeister said: Again, please let this run and I'll keep it as flame-free as possible on my end from now on, but I feel that what I said in my last reply to goobler was fair to say as it so obvious that he is being ignortant and also trying desperately to derail this thread.
Please don't let him do that anymore, but let this thread continue so that we can get some more input and turn it around into the productive thread it's supposed to be.
TM-
I am being honest and nice, I don't like you. There I said it again...
that being said can't you see that the interaction between you and I in this thread is the that same actions you are trying to avoid?
come on now, you need to sit back as others here have stated and just listen.
unless you made this thread to once again talk about yourself, just listen.
You will get all sorts of answers and range of opinion if you don't poison your own thread with your responses. Sure I can be the ass here, but thats evident. You pointing it out is unnecessary and counterproductive to what you seek. Life is all a game
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Not what you're gonna want to hear, TripMeister, but...
I don't know either of you at all. And I consider myself a good judge of character. I only judge others by their actions. There is no such thing as an "action" on a messageboard... but there is "reaction" to incoming data, as opposed to speaking from the heart, which is not reactive, but pure and/or creative.
TripMeister, when you speak from the heart, you know what you want... and this is why some posters see that you have genuine intent behind your clouds of thought. I believe you are a victim of your own mind, as so many of us are in our own ways.
But when you respond to others' opinions, you seem to get caught up in a torrent of thought with your response. It seems like you need to learn to seperate emotion from intellect. Sometimes it is necessary to realize your collective opinions are just imaginary building blocks, and that they are not really a part of who you are.
There is no need to defend opinion... especially when you are asking for it for the sake of self-improvement. --Remember, that is why I've posted everything I've said here. Realize that there is no need for rebuttal.
Instead of rebutting, reflect. Compare. Contrast. Try to look at yourself from the outside point of view... take what you know about yourself, and depersonalize it... let it go. You have to let it go, and view "what makes you, you" from a perspective that is not attached to it.
If you can do this, you can compare it side by side with others' expressions of you, and truly see an unbiased comparison.
This is my opinion based upon my own struggles with self-understanding.
And it's also a little loopy, because I wrote it stoned. I wish you the best...
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: WoodsCall]
#5478503 - 04/04/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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TM
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: JacquesCousteau]
#5478548 - 04/04/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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JacquesCousteau said: TripMeister, when you speak from the heart, you know what you want... and this is why some posters see that you have genuine intent behind your clouds of thought. I believe you are a victim of your own mind, as so many of us are in our own ways.
But when you respond to others' opinions, you seem to get caught up in a torrent of thought with your response. It seems like you need to learn to seperate emotion from intellect. Sometimes it is necessary to realize your collective opinions are just imaginary building blocks, and that they are not really a part of who you are.
There is no need to defend opinion... especially when you are asking for it for the sake of self-improvement. --Remember, that is why I've posted everything I've said here. Realize that there is no need for rebuttal.
Instead of rebutting, reflect. Compare. Contrast. Try to look at yourself from the outside point of view... take what you know about yourself, and depersonalize it... let it go. You have to let it go, and view "what makes you, you" from a perspective that is not attached to it.
If you can do this, you can compare it side by side with others' expressions of you, and truly see an unbiased comparison.
This is my opinion based upon my own struggles with self-understanding.
And it's also a little loopy, because I wrote it stoned. I wish you the best...
This is utterly, amazingly great advice, as I have been doing EXACTLY that and I know the post that matches me identically with an unbiased comparisson. It made me cry to see that someone could actually know me the way I now know myself.
Please keep these comming, my trusted onlookers, I am listening with a completely open mind.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: WoodsCall]
#5478629 - 04/04/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WoodsCall said:
On another note, if you feel like being such a grammar nazi...
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TripMeister said:
Whom is the wiser, I wonder?
EDIT* Changed "who" to "whom" to correct my own grammatical error. We all do make mistakes sometimes.
I'm pretty sure the use of whom is incorrect.
Correct..."whom" only follows prepositions. To whom are you speaking? For whom the bell tolls.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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MAIA
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478648 - 04/04/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess Jaques understands the meaning of the word "human" pretty well, something we all are, even when we seem not aware. It's a well written lesson for anyone to read and understand. You were on the right track ... an advice, realize your own imperfections first, then criticize ...
On the other hand, try reading about the Oxford comma ...
MAIA
-------------------- Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala
 Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy. Voltaire
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: For whom the bell tolls.
Time marches on .... 
MAIA
-------------------- Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala
 Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy. Voltaire
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Burke Dennings
baby merchant

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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478816 - 04/04/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you are arrogant, pompous, and a terrible listener. I remember once we were in an argument about a scientific fact and myself and others posted links to data that was undeniable, yet you wouldn't concede you were wrong. This is indicative of a larger trend.
You are a braggart, and I think you are someone who hasn't come to terms with their own middle-age. Your posts smack of a desire to be younger, to be with younger women (in their teens), and I think we all can see it.
You cannot take even the most appropriately worded constructive criticism, as it clearly pains you to be wrong. Which in many cases you are. One of your major arguments in any disagreement is that you're 46, like that fact automatically makes you correct or smarter than anyone else.
Please don't construe this as a flame, but I feel that you have the emotional maturity of a 13 year old. You're unable to deal with any form of criticism, and if this was real life, I think you'd be stomping back to your bedroom and slamming the door.
I find your arrogance extremely off-putting, and your willingness to accept the views of others is nil. I have met 16 year olds who are more mature than you.
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: Burke Dennings]
#5478876 - 04/04/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can see your views perfectly from where I sit now. As I said, I was totally blinded by an egocentrical mania which I am working feverishly to overcome.
Your post was harsh, but honest and accurate. That was me, yes, it was. Hopefully, that guy will fade away and be replaced by someone much better.
Thanks for your honest input.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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Burke Dennings
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478893 - 04/04/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm thrilled that you're finally seeing what many of us have been saying to you for a while now. I believe you have potential to be a super cool and fun guy, and I applaud you for this first step you've taken. I really hope to see a change in your mannerisms, as I know that there's a really great guy somewhere in there. Best of luck to you.
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inoculatedGreif
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: Burke Dennings]
#5478900 - 04/04/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you tree huggin gookoos.
-------------------- one branch of man turns away what has made us who we are, the other,excepts it for how its made man. which path do you choose? ------------------------------------- Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?
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TM
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: Burke Dennings]
#5478928 - 04/04/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Another tear-jerker!
Thank you!
I've been crying off and on for the past 6 hours and previously, when my revelation of what I had done to Shroomism became visible. This is all so overwhelming.
During the start of the analysis, when I first realized what I had done, I was so totally ashamed and distrought that I was beside myself with greif. Shroomism got up from the couch, walked to my chair, leaned down and said "give me a hug."
I cried then, and I'm crying now.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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eric_the_red


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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478972 - 04/04/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Our mutual diagnoses of me is, in a nutshell, is that I am an egocentrical maniac. Evidenced by my way of being totally blind to anyone else's' viewpoint of the things I just blatantly say without ever analyzing them from anyone else's' point of view. So blind to it that I defend it when it's pointed out right to my face, without even realizing that it's undeniably and painfully obvious, there in plain sight.
tm, i don't keep up with who you're on bad terms with and why. i'm sure i also don't see all the little spats you get into. however, when i do see a flamefest that you're involved in, it usually seems to be because somebody has said something along the lines of what i quoted above.
....just something to think about and watch for.
-------------------- Anno cock? is that some kind of Greek liqueur? -Geo's All Knowing Sex Slave
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goobler
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5478997 - 04/04/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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just a question....
do you attribute any of this 'revelation' and sadness to after glow of the chemicals you just took?
give it a sober week or two, then I'll believe.
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: goobler]
#5479035 - 04/04/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay, you're entitled to your week or two, if that's what it takes. But in answer to your question, I can tell you as well as Shroomism can tell you that this is truly a breakthrough, not the afterglow.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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Shroomism
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5479063 - 04/04/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope so.
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Liz
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5479074 - 04/04/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm glad you and shroomism talked and that you realize what people were talking about in regards to your original post.
I pretty much already stated my opinion in that, so I don't feel like I need to retype it all now. Others have already summed it up nicely already. Also, please don't attack people who give their opinion or try to argue what they say. You asked for this, and I'm glad that you did - but you need to be willing to listen and accept that all of the posts aren ot going to be forgiving in nature and cheerful. I don't think Goobler was trying to derail your thread or flame you, any more than I was trying to derail your original thread.
I've maintained all along that you probably mean well and you're harmless - you just have some serious underlying issues, and I hope that you can work on them and conquer them in time. Shroomism no doubt will be a great help. But as goobler mentioned, give it some time sober as well, and reflect with a clear head on all of this information and realization that you've been bombarded with lately.
I honestly was not trying to be excessively rude or hurtful with my posts in your original thread. It was expressed to me how much it upset you, and while that wasn't my direct intent, I feel like you needed to hear what I said. It wouldn't have meant anything from someone who you didn't like, or from someone who you knew disliked you.
My biggest concern is that while people can always change for the better if they want to, you're older and more set in your ways and habits. I hope you can manage to look at yourself from an outside point of view, get rid of some of the negativity, compulsiveness, and ego, and once that is stripped away, I'm sure everyone will see an awesome guy in front of them.
Good luck
-------------------- Remember, remember the fifth of November The gunpowder treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot.
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry *DELETED* [Re: goobler]
#5479077 - 04/04/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: blink]
#5479112 - 04/04/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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blinkidiot said:
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goobler said: just a question....
do you attribute any of this 'revelation' and sadness to after glow of the chemicals you just took?
give it a sober week or two, then I'll believe.
fo sho
Amen.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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TheDude
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TM]
#5479136 - 04/04/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess sitting around eating a bunch of drugs can be seen as "helping" shroomism. I must have had other ideas in mind though...
-------------------- "this lebowski he called himself 'the dude'. now, 'dude', that's a name no one would self-apply where i come from but there was a lot about the dude that didn't make sense to me...."--the Stranger
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TM
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Re: As To My Reason For Needing Be Sorry [Re: TheDude]
#5479415 - 04/04/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Patience, my doubtful friend. I'll wait for Shroomism himself to address the question of whether or not what we did was appropriate and positive or wrong and destructful, if he so chooses. My view is already clear.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. TM™
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