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New Zealand Amanita variety?
    #5476284 - 04/03/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey fellow hunters!
I was out for a walk in my local park yesterday when I saw several brightly coloured mushrooms a few metres away, poking out of fallen pine needles. I've been searching the shroomery and erowid.org for more information on what could be amanita muscaria, but havent found anything conclusive as of yet. Any help would be much appreciated!  :laugh: Cheers

Habitat:
- West Auckland, New Zealand
- Parklands, pine and native bush
- growing on pine needles and dead plant matter
- located near a water runoff, very damp

Gills:
- white/cream color
- semi-attached
- crowded

Stem:
- approximately 8cm long
- approximately 1cm diameter
- white/cream color
- sticky to the touch, smooth upon drying
- solid stem, yet fibrous
- bulbous near roots

Cap:
- approximately 8cm in diameter
- colored red, fading to orange edges
- flat, with a mild concave
- covered in white flecks, which can be removed







Yusssss! This is also my first post!


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Re: New Zealand Amanita variety? [Re: Sifika]
    #5476379 - 04/03/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Amanita Muscara


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5476439 - 04/03/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks bluemeanie :smile:

That would make it psychoactive, but not psychedelic like the psilocybe varieties, correct?


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5476853 - 04/03/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

YEAH - ive never tried them but people say they can be good value


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5478038 - 04/04/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so this species is definately Muscaria if it's not white or yellow cap etc

I read about the poisonous amanitas, and the PICS looked nothing like the thousands of amanitas I found in my local pine forest, so just to be safe I threw away about 30 healthy fresh amanitas that looked exactly or very much alike that pic there???

Tell me it isn't true... tell me I didn't throw away the non-poisonous (in the sense of deadly amanitas... you know what I mean) amanitas?

I wasn't sure, but didn't want to take the risk.

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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: indica]
    #5478050 - 04/04/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

eh i find them easyer then subs ...... they're all over the place


lol there nearly eveywhere u loook... in cartoons ahahahahhahaa


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5478052 - 04/04/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

some say there aight but some dont...
i wouldnt eat it sounds bit hardcore


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: shroomkma]
    #5478068 - 04/04/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah
I threw em out after drying them in an oven at the lowest temp WITH THE DOOR CRACKED lol for 4 1/2 hours.

Then I was like "hmm what if they're the DEADLY ONES?"

oh well, no risk.

Out the window they went to spore the garden hehe

Yeah they were literally every 5 metres in any direction in the pines


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: indica]
    #5481187 - 04/04/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I cooked the above amanita for 2 hours at a low heat in the oven till it was just bordering on being crispy. I then ground it up with a mortar and pestle till it was a fine powder, which I then brewed in boiling water for about 30 mins. The dosage was far less than minimum (just to be on the safe side), and within an hour I was experiencing minor muscle twitches, and visual disturbances ('fogging' of my vision and blurred surroundings).  :mushroom2:

The weather is getting colder and wetter down under, and it shouldnt be longer than a month or so till proper psychedelics are sprouting up all over the place. Looking forward to it!


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5481207 - 04/04/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how many caps/grams did you use?


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: indica]
    #5481288 - 04/04/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't have very accurate weighing equipment, but I made the tea from 1 fairly big cap. A couple of grams perhaps?


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5481304 - 04/05/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what woud you consider next time? *(assuming there will be a next time)


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5481548 - 04/05/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ive got friends who say its the shit - in terms of being pretty damn fun. Then again others say its a total non-event. But atleast its recyclable - most of the actives arent metabolised so if you drink your urine you will have another crack at it.
Raindeer used to do this to each other - and there is a huge amount of history with norse and celtic use of this mushroom.
Most of the poisonous amanitas look quite different - but i guess if you get the wrong one you will die of liver/kidney failure...
Amanitas are pretty common - and usually arrive around four weeks before the subs - although its give and take in reality.


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: indica]
    #5483798 - 04/05/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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xk3m_indica said:
what woud you consider next time? *(assuming there will be a next time)




Well they're fairly plentiful in my local park, and it would be interesting to find out more about the psychoactive experience, or 'trip' if you can call it that. I'd like to slowly work my dosage up from a few grams to about 20 grams (this seems to be the most commonly reported upper dosage limit, although you could go even higher). Will post a trip report sometime, along with preparation tips if anybody is interested..  :grin: :mushroom2:


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5484985 - 04/05/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: shroominDole]
    #5485030 - 04/05/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've tried them a couple of times - if its red with white spots and is a toadstool - as far as I have found there is nothing close to matching this description.
The smell of them cooking makes me want to spew - the first time I cooked them this wasnt the case. After getting them down only to spew them back out again my brain has obviously associated the two together.

I didnt trip but my friends had some crazy times, on one occasion they started talked gibberish to each other and seeing fireworks everywhere. Another of my friends traveled to the future, and saw himself spewing, and so asked for a bucket. His prophacy came true :smile:

Hope yours go ok, they seem to polarise the opinoins of the people who take them, some love it, and me I just hate the taste.


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Feelers]
    #5485379 - 04/06/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I've tried them a couple of times - if its red with white spots and is a toadstool - as far as I have found there is nothing close to matching this description.
The smell of them cooking makes me want to spew - the first time I cooked them this wasnt the case. After getting them down only to spew them back out again my brain has obviously associated the two together.

I didnt trip but my friends had some crazy times, on one occasion they started talked gibberish to each other and seeing fireworks everywhere. Another of my friends traveled to the future, and saw himself spewing, and so asked for a bucket. His prophacy came true :smile:

Hope yours go ok, they seem to polarise the opinoins of the people who take them, some love it, and me I just hate the taste.




you sure thats amanitas?


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: indica]
    #5485422 - 04/06/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Lol yeah I know - after spewing out my pink amanita and pasta dinner over the balcony.
The time they were talking gibberish I spewed out the car window and got the car behind us as we were going over a bridge haha.

Or did you mean am I sure I correctly identified it?
As far as misidentification goes - I think amnitas have gotta be one of the easiest shroom species to identify, I havent heard of anything that comes close, but I'm also aware that with eating mushrooms you should always be careful, you dont want people to be blas? about identification.


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Feelers]
    #5485433 - 04/06/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there seems to be the recurrent theme of spewing - sounds like a brigesii experience ??


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Feelers]
    #5485771 - 04/06/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The smell of them cooking makes me want to spew - the first time I cooked them this wasnt the case. After getting them down only to spew them back out again my brain has obviously associated the two together.




Damn you nailed that one right on the head! The smell of them cooking is one to retch even the most hardened stomachs. How do you and your mates go about preparing them for consumption?


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Re: Amanita Muscara [Re: Sifika]
    #5486645 - 04/06/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This was all quite a while ago, but if anything I wouldnt do it the way we did. :grin:

Well, just for info's sake the first time we tried them we made a pasta sauce and lumped in fresh amanita chunks. It made the whole thing go a sickly looking "girl pink", and all the chucks sat at the bottom of the pasta - which got pretty (aka incredily) gross towards the end.

Other times we boiled them in a thick tea and had about a cup full. 1/2 of us managed to keep it down (I think),

Now what your looking for is what would I reccommend(I dont have much experience but a little more than most)

If I was going to take them again, I'd probably dry them, then place some caps in a strong herbal tea. Swallow the caps whole, for me I'd rather down it in one and get it over and done with. My mate did this at school (we were all young once) and he found it easy to drink and he had an interesting time in class.
I definately think dry is the way to go, less volume, less smell, less taste.
Hope that helps!!!
Good luck with it, I'm almost curoius to try again.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Feelers]
    #5495574 - 04/09/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've been re-reading recipes for preparation of amanita, and was wondering what effect different sources of heat could have on the potency of the mushroom, and the overall ibotenic acid versus muscimol content?

ie: Would the heat from an oven (used for drying) destroy the potency of the mushrooms? Or merely aid in further changing the ibotenic acid into muscimol? Or would boiling fresh mushrooms (to make tea) be safe and potent?

Any insight into this anyone? :confused:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Sifika]
    #5495582 - 04/09/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have heard of people successfully using ovens as a drying method and having it convert with not much potency loss. The right temperature would have to be kept.. I have seen preparation documents that suggested the use of an oven. It has been a long time. Perhaps it was on erowid, maybe it was talked about here. A "search posts" should turn up some discussion regarding it.
Personally I don't mess with it, just remembering what I read or was told.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Sifika]
    #5495587 - 04/09/06 04:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All the "research" I did found that the active components are very heat stable - I think to at least 160 - 180. (it may even be more than this).

The heat boils off a co2 molecule - (decarboxylation) and this converts the "poison" to the useable form, much like thc. The bodys enzymes also do this decarboxylation but they are obviously not as good at it. This is one of the reasons you need to eat way more thc than you do to smoke it.

In based on what I've read the more cooking the merrier. I'll try to find some links.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Sifika]
    #5495592 - 04/09/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here,

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info_petri.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

I have no idea how accurate that info is, but erowid does have a pretty good reputation for having reliable info.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: eris]
    #5495622 - 04/09/06 05:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

^^^ If you're not a careful reader, you'll try and make acid out of 12 fosters beers and lysene tablets. Erowid has that document there under 'myths'. I didn't see the 'myth' part and went on believing it could be done.

Be careful what you read and make sure you read it well.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: indica]
    #5495635 - 04/09/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, I can't really picture myself trying to make acid in any way really. Or any drugs for that matter these days.

Where does it say anything about myths?

Whatever the case, like I said I can't verify that it works because I don't bother doing it. Most people that I've heard from said it was either a waste of time or was unpleasant.


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