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Our Local Neighborhood
    #547510 - 02/11/02 04:19 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The Saturn Family


The Jupiter Family


Earth (I want to visit this place)


Earth's Moon


Cygnus


Orion


Perseus


Pleiades


Our Galaxy


Andromeda Galaxy (Closest Galaxy to the Milky Way)




Where do YOU want to go?

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547512 - 02/11/02 04:32 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The next time you are feeling superior (or inferior for that matter)... just remember where you are

Edited by Shroomism (02/11/02 04:46 AM)

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547513 - 02/11/02 04:33 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

There is no way there's intelligent life in that galaxy. I mean if there were we would have seen it by now right?

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547514 - 02/11/02 04:37 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Well what the hell do you know?
You're just a mortal human

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547515 - 02/11/02 04:38 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Shut up you

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547518 - 02/11/02 04:48 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Sorry...
























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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547519 - 02/11/02 04:48 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Why should we have already seen intellegent life? I imagine the entire universe was created at the same time, therefore our planet and life on our planet is as old if not older than that on other planets. So who is to say that intellegent life has to mean more intellegent than humans. For all I or anybody else knows we could be the most intellegent/advanced organisms in the universe.


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #547521 - 02/11/02 04:50 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Who says life on Earth is intelligent?

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #547668 - 02/11/02 09:13 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

the universe was created at the same time, but new planets, stars and galaxies are created constantly. compare the earth and the suns age to the age of the universe, we're just babies... course there could be stars, planets, Life out there Much older than us. But, then again, they could also be single cell organisms too.. or high tech 4th density STO humanoids. endless possibilities in an endless universe.
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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547671 - 02/11/02 09:15 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

In reply to:


Shut up you




This is a direct flame.  Mod's are supposed to know better then to flame...themselves?

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Blastrid]
    #547679 - 02/11/02 09:26 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Excuse me if im incorrect, but as far as scientists know, the universe is 15 billion years old, and our planet (and sun?)around 4 billion...so were not that young


Considering this, maybe we are one of the most advanced creatures in this universe, right now.


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547680 - 02/11/02 09:28 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

in the picture of saturn family the moon on the left has a huge crack in it, or it seems, thats weird huh?


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #547691 - 02/11/02 09:38 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The universe is supposedly 12-15 billion years old. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. In the beginning there was just hydrogen and helium, but within the interiors of stars and in their supernova explosions heavier elements were created. Therefore, it is unlikely that a planet would form significantly older than the Earth because several generations of stars are needed to form the heavier elements that constitute planets and life on those planets (such as carbon, nitrogen, and iron). Perhaps there could be planets at most a billion or two years older than we are, which, although relatively small in terms of the age of the universe, is still a vast amount of time for intelligent life to evolve.

Given the fact that "intelligent" life evolved on Earth from common animals over the course of just a few million years, it is not unreasonable to assume that life much further along exists on other planets. The rise of intelligent life depends a lot less on sheer time to evolve and more on a chance occurence or a convergence of factors. If things had been slightly different, intelligent life could have evolved from dinosaurs or something hundreds of millions of years ago. If everything converged correctly in the past, intelligent life could have existed for billions and billions of years, and we are just the latest addition.

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #547741 - 02/11/02 10:26 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The coolest thing happened to me over the last couple of days.... I experienced my limits!!!!!!

I always juggled everything thrown at me and recently dropped the ball on everything! I'm so excited, its incredible!

I was so good at dealing with everything in life I felt infinite...
Suddenly I was faced with the fact that I have limits, boundaries, and if I am contained---not matter how much I interact with other beings, I will still be myself---I will not go out of existence!!!!!

If you have experienced this-then you know what I mean...
If not, I sound like a mad man,,, but hey, I like being a mad man....

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #547949 - 02/11/02 01:46 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

"The universe is supposedly 12-15 billion years old. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. In the beginning there was just hydrogen and helium,                        " 

and small amounts of lithium, beryllium and boron, but who's counting?:tongue:

"...but within the interiors of stars and in their supernova explosions heavier
elements were created. Therefore, it is unlikely that a planet would form significantly older than the Earth because several generations of stars are needed to form the heavier elements that constitute planets and life on those planets (such as carbon, nitrogen, and iron). Perhaps there could be planets at most a billion or two years older than we are, which, although relatively small in terms of the age of the universe, is still a vast amount of time for intelligent life to evolve. "

There is some interesting theoretical work being done which suggests that not only is there a "life zone" around a star where water is in its liquid phase, but also that there are zones in a galaxy itself where the balance of heavier elements and ionizing radiation ((as you can imagine, areas where there is a higher abundance of metals (everything above boron) is also an area where there would be more ionizing radiation from the concomitant type 1 supernovae)) is just so to enable complex, self replicating molecules to form.  This would, as you can imagine, drastically cut into the Drake equation for intelligence in the universe by adding am substantial divisive factor into the equation - that being said, i'm a firm believer that we could not possibly be the only intelligence in the vastness of space...

Sorry, I ted to ramble when I start going on about astrophysics...:)


 


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Dr_Stupid]
    #547990 - 02/11/02 02:10 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

This isn't my view, but comes from a debate I had with a close friend several years ago. He was claiming that the "universe" is just a backdrop... the walls of the petri dish as it were and that we/earth was the experiment at the center of the dish.

On a different note, in recent years the theories about dark matter and how much of it there is really paint a new picture. If the theories are correct, then only something like 15-20% (made up numbers, no ref available, but it was a very small ammount) of the universe is made of matter like ours. The rest is this mysterious dark matter. ... and people wonder where the elf world is.


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Seuss]
    #548044 - 02/11/02 03:02 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The only FACT here is that we actually do not KNOW what elements were around at the time of creation. No scientist could produce a complex enough study to determine this.....EVER! Why do we have to know everything? Time will tell!


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: MentalHygene]
    #548050 - 02/11/02 03:08 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Also...... What do you describe as intelligent life? I think an intelligent society is one that could find its rightfull place on its planet, not destroy the air and water, not exaust every natural resource available, and not put its particular species above ANY other species that it shares it's domain with. So because we are about to extinguish our own lives, I would venture to say that we aren't as smart as we think!


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: MentalHygene]
    #548063 - 02/11/02 03:16 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Exactly.
If we were as intelligent as we would like to think we are, there would not be war, or the war on drugs, or nuclear weapons, or a thousand other things.
We need to accept that we are not the most evolved beings in this Universe, but we are well on our way just like everyone else.
This arrogant stance that humans are alone or are the only evolved intelligent species in the Universe is rediculous. I think I'm going to purge

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: MentalHygene]
    #548079 - 02/11/02 03:28 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

"The only FACT here is that we actually do not KNOW what elements were around at the time of creation. "


Interesting, but sadly mistaken...:sad: - prevailing astrophysical wisdom refutes the above statement, but I am not looking to get into a metaphysical or spiritual argument...:) 


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Dr_Stupid]
    #548219 - 02/11/02 05:34 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Humor me!


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #548420 - 02/11/02 09:46 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

The first picture you posted is the same one I have had on a poster that was given to me when I was a little kid. It has traveled with me my whole life!

I don't know why anyone would really care, though.
Where'd you get all these pictures?


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #548593 - 02/12/02 04:26 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

pleiades is pretty...

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Dr_Stupid]
    #548732 - 02/12/02 09:11 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

If the big bang theory is correct, then actual elements came quite a while after the big bang (time of creation). Things had to cool down enough for energy to transform into matter. Most of the original matter was in the form of hydrogen and helium. The heavier elements were created much later.



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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Seuss]
    #548767 - 02/12/02 10:06 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

"If the theories are correct, then only something like 15-20% (made up numbers, no ref available, but it was a very small ammount) of the universe is made of matter like ours. The rest is this mysterious dark matter. ... and people wonder where the elf world is. "

Not just dark matter anymore, but hot dark matter & cold dark matter, and even dark energy!! The astounding thing is that recent observations of standard candle type 1 supernovae suggests that the universe is actually accelerating, not decelerating!! something is acting counter to gravity across astronomic distances and actually speeding things up!! (dark energy)...


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Seuss]
    #548772 - 02/12/02 10:11 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

"If the big bang theory is correct, then actual elements came quite a while after the big bang (time of creation). Things had to cool down enough for energy to transform into matter. Most of the original matter was in the form of hydrogen and helium. The heavier elements were created much later. "

Isn't that what I said??  To astrophysicists, all other elements except H & He are referred to as metals...other than H & He, the only other elements forged in the original furnace of the big bang (once atoms were able to form, of course!!:))were small amounts of Deuterium (heavy hydrogen)  and miniscule amounts of Li, Be & B...



 


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: MentalHygene]
    #548793 - 02/12/02 10:25 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

"Humor me! "

No problem - i'm feeling generous today!!:):tongue::smile:

 


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: wintertime]
    #548938 - 02/12/02 12:47 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Yes, the Pleiades are beautiful

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #548952 - 02/12/02 01:08 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

...and the Pleiadian women are too! :tongue:


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: KeepAskingTime]
    #548957 - 02/12/02 01:12 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

They sexy...

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #548981 - 02/12/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Could a earthly human fertalize these Pledians and vice versa?


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: PsilocyberSpace]
    #548989 - 02/12/02 01:39 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Pleiadians are humans. Just more evolved

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #549079 - 02/12/02 02:46 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Some of that shits pretty fucking beautiful. Do you ever wish you could be a part of it. I dont know how its possible, but alot of times i be overwhelmed with the beauty of things, i just wanna be them, or hug them, or smoke them...But i cant, and i doubt any of those would fufil the "emptiness" i think just relizing that there is such beauty makes me emotional and seeking more, and stufff, and its not just that, but eh =] kung fu on shrooms in the back yard might help


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: tak]
    #549090 - 02/12/02 02:56 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Kung Fu on shrooms in the backyard always helps :smile:

 

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #549120 - 02/12/02 03:24 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

huy, who says the universe was made at the same time? When they say its expanding, where can it be expanding into? mebbe it started as a point and spread out into nothing ( which we have absolutely no way of imagining, and id like to note that many of you view us as intelligent life.. mhmm.. we can even imagine nothing! )


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Tamrylin]
    #549134 - 02/12/02 03:36 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

you can't imagine nothing because nothing can't exist... it's nothing. nothing is nothing. there is nothing to imagine.

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #549250 - 02/12/02 05:31 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Too bad that picture isn't of the milky way... nothing has gotten far enough away yet to send pictures back, which would still take time and even more advanced communication devises

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: tak]
    #549269 - 02/12/02 06:10 PM (22 years, 24 days ago)

Root: If you realize that you are part of these beautifull pictures, I imagine the "emptiness" would fill up. Wether you realize it or not, you are a very intricate part of making this whole thing we call the universe work. You can be directly connected with all of this if you believe in astral projection!!!!


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Dr_Stupid]
    #549659 - 02/13/02 02:48 AM (22 years, 23 days ago)

Not just dark matter anymore, but hot dark matter & cold dark matter, and even dark energy!! The astounding thing is that recent observations of standard candle type 1 supernovae suggests that the universe is actually accelerating, not decelerating!! something is acting counter to gravity across astronomic distances and actually speeding things up!! (dark energy)...

Well, I knew the universe wouldn't be imploding any time soon..

Tell me about tachyons?


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #549796 - 02/13/02 07:57 AM (22 years, 23 days ago)

"Tell me about tachyons? "

A putative class of particles able to travel superluminally. They would appear to violate causality, though, and invalidate general relativity, if in fact they do exist - Cerenkov radiation has never been detected in a vacuum, so one would imagine that they are a thought excercise only, and do not exist...



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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Dr_Stupid]
    #549827 - 02/13/02 08:34 AM (22 years, 23 days ago)

In response to another post..........


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"Excuse me if im incorrect, but as far as scientists know, the universe is 15 billion years old, and our planet (and sun?)around 4 billion...so were not that young
Considering this, maybe we are one of the most advanced creatures in this universe, right now. "

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You couldn't be more wrong. Our sun is EXTREMELY young when compared the stars in other solar systems and Galaxies. If intelligent life exists in this Universe, you can be 100% that most of it will be far FAR more advanced than we are....

Other stars are millions and millions and millions and millions of years older than ours is. Some stars BILLIONS of years older than ours... Look at the odds there..

Odds are better you will win the lottery every single time they have a drawing for the rest of your life then they are for us being the most advanced civilization.......

Sorry buddy, you couldn't be more Wrong about this......

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #549912 - 02/13/02 10:01 AM (22 years, 23 days ago)

(directed to no one in particular)

Ah, the wonders of nature brought closer to us through those technological miracles called photography, rocketry, the Hubble Space Telescope, and the Internet. Please remember this the next time you get an urge to bash science.


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Swami]
    #552074 - 02/15/02 12:28 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

I respect science, it has much to offer. I think if science and spirituality merged into the same entity... that would be the day

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: ]
    #552298 - 02/15/02 08:15 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

If science and spirituality merged that would be the end... at least of life as we know it... that would be the ultimate evolution and would thrust us into the next step.... the crossing over....

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Tannis]
    #552329 - 02/15/02 08:59 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

"If science and spirituality merged that would be the end"

i sometimes wonder where people get this stuff


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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Lallafa]
    #553388 - 02/16/02 07:22 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

It would be "the next step"----"a perfect world"----"the fulfillment of ALL knowledge coming together to benefit ALL of mankind"....

I get this stuff from my mind.....I like thinking.....dreaming....

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Re: Our Local Neighborhood [Re: Tannis]
    #553708 - 02/16/02 03:31 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

i like to think that science, nature, and spirituality all exist along the same line. different in their own ways but still undeniably linked.

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