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MJ planting questions
    #5474052 - 04/03/06 12:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, I'm germinating seeds & was wondering what would be the best size to put the plants in the woods?

I know there is deer where I'm going to grow, about 6 of them, not many but is there a way to keep them away? Pee near the plants I heard works, and coyote urine.

Also, how many plants near eachother would be good? At overgrow they said put like 5 plants near eachother so it looks more like a patch of weed. Near where I'm going to grow there is a river, should I plant close to the river?

I have about 200 seeds, they're all bagseed I really don't trust buying seeds online anymore since overgrow got busted. say I have 30 good plants outside, how much yeild do you think I could get? They're northern lights.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5474081 - 04/03/06 12:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Plant them directly in the ground.

Get some plastic mesh type screen. Like chickenwire. Wrap it around the base of the stem.

Never put more than one plant in the same place.

Yield depends on the environmental conditions. But expect 50% of the seeds to be males.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #5474323 - 04/03/06 02:00 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks.

Now I'm going to plant sorta near a river, should I plant close to the river? I don't want the river to flood and kill the plants though.

how about deer and such, what would be good to keep them awaya


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5474352 - 04/03/06 02:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

If you create a little mesh fence around the base, deer will usually stay away, ime.

Once your plants mature they're less likely to be eaten. Any kind of barrier that is inconspicous will work.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #5474446 - 04/03/06 02:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

There is no good way to keep deer away unfortunately. Urine works but it has t be re-applied several times a week, which brings unwanted traffic to your site.

A good defence would be a combination of human hair / dog hair / human urine / animal urine scattered in a large radius around your site. Next use chicken wire around the plant ( about 5 feet high, about 2 feet from plant). Then place deer bate about 3 miles away from your site to encourage them to stay elsewhere. When scouting your site make sure there are no deer nest's and plant accordingly.

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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: FlusH]
    #5478655 - 04/04/06 12:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I would just put that chicken wire thats 2.5-3 feet or so high and just plot it around. If you're growing in a sketchy place, for sure only plant maybe one or two plants, and have several grow spots. that way, you have two plants per spot and five spots, thats 10 plants total (duh). but if two are found, no worries, you'll still have 8. outdoor plants can yeild anything. you said 30 plants. lets say 5 die in vegging, 25 plants, then 10-12 will be male so you have roughly 13-15 females, figure 2 more will die from some freak accident or something, so u now have 11-13 females. so you don't get your hopes up, figure around 1/4-1/2 oz from each female. still lets say each plant averages at 3/4 of an oz, you still have 9 oz in bud, plus all the stems and leaves for making cannabutter.

Haha, I like how I added some mythbusters type math in it. that shit is always funny to watch. they always throw a math problem in the show for no real reason.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: jben]
    #5478958 - 04/04/06 02:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the help.

I think I'm going to grow more, i have around 2,000 seeds, my goal is to get pounds+ if possible. I have so many good spots to grow, not many people go there, because I fish there alot.

I also have a greenhouse i might grow in, but its sorta risky I would think.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5478968 - 04/04/06 02:37 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the help.

I think I'm going to grow more, i have around 2,000 seeds, my goal is to get pounds+ if possible. I have so many good spots to grow, not many people go there, because I fish there alot.

I also have a greenhouse i might grow in, but its sorta risky I
would think.





With that many seeds it could be SOOOOO EASY to get pounds, hundreds of them lol. I have seen some plants come back 2+ pounds (bigbud x NL). If its a good strain and you plant it early enough and it gets big you could - COULD get a pound per plant. I have seen a lot more, and a little less then that but thats a good guessing guide.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5478984 - 04/04/06 02:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I've seen on overgrow once where people grew in trees, I wonder if deer would still eat them then..... LOL my luck a long neck purple people eater or something would come and eat them on me............I've also seen people growing in swamps but the soil isn't good in swamps correct?

Now I'm planting near rivers, so how many feet should I plant them away from river? I don't want the river too flood and kill them or something.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5479060 - 04/04/06 02:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hey sat! I have northern lightsX big bud, Before overgrow got closed down I went crazy & I bought tons upon tons of seeds. 2,000 +seeds from seeds but I can't say where I got them, its mainly a dream I had ;D

I also have ton's of sativa here is the list of seeds i have:


1 - northern lights
2- sweet tooth
3 - big bud
4- NLxbig bud
5- AK47
6 - chronic
7- haze
8- sativa spirit
9- kush
10- early girl
11- super skunk

& a bunch more I forgot LOL but that should give me a decent selection ;D

I also have millions of bag seed my friend gave me, I should plant them all over the place on lawns, town green etc. lol ;p

as for poppies i have gigs, hens and chicks, and just regular medium pods I don't know what they are.

So this is my garden for this year, I also have san Pedro about 50 cacti plants in my greenhouse, some peyote.

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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5479130 - 04/04/06 03:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yea man, i've been doin that with bagseed. just plantin them whereever. i kid you not, after stumbling around this soon to be build sub division, (a place where we blazed often) we found a male last fall. wasn't that big but he was in flower. kinda funny. so plant em everywhere. jonny potseed!


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5479172 - 04/04/06 03:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

you have bought 2000 seeds with that genetic?

what did that cost you heh ?


i bought 20 seeds here the other day and it costed me almost 100 euros


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: giz]
    #5479282 - 04/04/06 03:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

LOL @ johnny pot seed, johnny poppy seed `;D

I really don't even remember the price But i know the owner of the site, and got more $$ off because of the bulk order.

I also got some freeB seeds that are stuff like "skunk" and random other seeds.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5512088 - 04/13/06 02:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm scouting my patch this weekend. In the area I'm going there are very large thorn bush patches almost making a shelter like area. You have to duck down low to even get in these but in the middle its mostly clear. So i figure that will keep the animals out for the most part. I'm going to make sure there will be sufficient light coming through the top, do some trimming and whatnot, Then hope for the best. I figure I'm going to let nature do her thing maby only visit a few times during the whole process to make sure the bushes are allowing for light. Ill probably start them indoors in some pots, I'm figuring that will give me a better success rate with the method I'm going with here.


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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5512978 - 04/13/06 06:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Hi, I'm germinating seeds & was wondering what would be the best size to put the plants in the woods?

I know there is deer where I'm going to grow, about 6 of them, not many but is there a way to keep them away? Pee near the plants I heard works, and coyote urine.

Also, how many plants near eachother would be good? At overgrow they said put like 5 plants near eachother so it looks more like a patch of weed. Near where I'm going to grow there is a river, should I plant close to the river?

I have about 200 seeds, they're all bagseed I really don't trust buying seeds online anymore since overgrow got busted. say I have 30 good plants outside, how much yeild do you think I could get? They're northern lights.


Thanks





I just posted this info on another thread but shall post it again here. Should tell you all you need to know (quite alot of it though). Check link for more info:-

Outdoor growing is the best. Outdoor pot by far is the strongest, since it gets more light, it is naturally more robust. No light leak problems. No dark periods that keep you out of your grow room. No electricity bills. Sunlight tends to reach more of the plant, if your growing in the direct sun. Unlike growing indoors, the bottom of the plant will be almost as developed as the top.

Outdoors, outside of a greenhouse, there are many factors that can kill your crop. Deer will try to eat them. Chipmonks and rodents too. Bugs will inhabit them, and the wind and rain can whip your little buds to pieces if they are exposed to strong storms. For this reason, indoor pot can be better than outdoor, but the best smoke I ever tasted was outdoor pot, so that tells you something; nothing beats the sun.

Put up a fence and make sure it stays up. Visit your plot at least once every two weeks, and preferably more often if water needs demand.

It is a good idea to use soil if you don not have a green house, since hydroponics will be less reliable outside in the open air, due mostly to evaporation.

Light exposure is all important when locating a site for a greenhouse or outdoor plot. A backyard grower will need to know where the sun shines for the longest period; privacy and other factors will enter in as well. Try to find an innocuous spot that gets full winter sun from mid morning to mid afternoon, at least from 10-4, preferably 8-5. This will be really asking for a lot if you live north of 30 degrees latitude since days are short in winter. Since most gardeners will not want to use the greenhouse in the middle of the winter, you can still use winter sun as an indicator of good spring and fall lighting exposures. Usually the south side of a hill gets the most sun. Also, large areas open to the sun on the north side of the property will get good southern exposures. East and West exposures can be good if they get the full morning/afternoon sun and mid-day sun as well. Some books say the plants respond better to morning-only sun, verses afternoon-only sun, so if you have to choose between the two, morning sun may be better.

Disguise your greenhouse as a tool shed, or similar structure, by using only one wall and a roof of white opaqued plastic, PVC, Filon, or glass, and using a similar colored material for the rest of the shed, or painting it white or silvery, to look like metal. Try to make it appear as if it has always been there, with plants and trees that grow around it and mask it from view while allowing sun to reach it.

Filon (corrugated fiberglass)or PVC plastic sheets can be used outside to cover young plants grown together in a garden. Buy the clear greenhouse sheets, and opaque them with white wash (made from lime) or epoxy resin tinted white or grey and painted on in a thin layer. This will pass more sun than white PVC or Filon, and still hide the plants. Epoxy resin coats will preserve the Filon for many more seasons than it would otherwise last. It will also allow you to disguise the shed as metal, if you paint the clear filon sheets with a thin layer of resin tinted light grey. Paint will work as well, but may not protect as much. Be careful to use only as much as needed, to reduce sun blockage to a minimum.

Dig a big hole, don not depend on the plant to be able to penetrate the clay and rubble unless your sure of the quality of topsoil in the area. Grassy fields would have good top soil, but your back yard may not. This alone can make the difference between an average 5 feet tall plant, and a 10 feet monster by harvest time. Growing in the ground will always beat a pot, since the plant will never become root bound in the ground. Plants grown in the ground should grow much larger, but will need more space for each plant, so plan accordingly, you can not move them once they are in!

You may want to keep outdoor plants in pots so they can be easily moved. A big hole will allow the pot to be place in it, thus reducing the height of the plant, if fence level is an issue. Many growers find pots have saved a crop that had to be moved for some unexpected reason (repairman, appraiser, fire, etc.).

It is always best to put a roof over your plants outdoors. When I was a lad, we had plants growing over the fence line in the back yard. We started to build a greenhouse roof for them, and a cop saw us hauling wood, thought we were stealing it (which we were not) and looked over the fence at us and our lovely plants. We were busted, because he saw them. If he had seen a shed roof instead, there would never have been a problem. Moral of the Story: build the roof BEFORE the plants are sticking over the fence! Or train them to stay well below it. Live and learn...

When growing away from the house, in the wild, water is the biggest determining factor, after security. Water must be close by, or close to the soil surface, or you will have to pack water in. Water is heavy and this is very hard work. Try to find an area close to a source of water if possible, and keep a bucket nearby to carry water to your plot.

A novel idea in this regard is to find high water in the mountains, at altitude, and then route it down to a lower spot close by. It is possible to create water presure in a hose this way, and route it to a drip system that feeds water to your plants continuously. Take a 5 gallon gas can, and punch small holes in it. Run a hose out of the main orifice and secure it somehow. Bury the can in a river or stream under rocks, so that it is hidden and submerged. Bury the hose coming out of it, and run it down hill to your garden area. A little engineering can save you a lot of work, and this rig can be used year after year.
GUERRILLA FARMING

Guerrilla farming refers to farming away from your own property, or in a remote location of your property where people seldom roam around. It is possible to find locations that for one reason or another are not easily accessible or are privately owned.

Try to grow off your property, on adjacent property, so that if your plot is found, it will not be traceable back to you. If it is not on your property, nobody has witnessed you there, and there is no physical evidence of your presence (footprints, fingerprints, trails, hair, etc.), then it is virtually impossible to prosecute you for it, even if the cops think they know who it belongs to.

Never admit to growing, to anyone. Your best defence is that your just passing thru the area, and noticed something you decided to take a look at, or carry a fishing pole or binoculars and claim fishing or bird watching.

Never tell anyone but a partner where the plants are located. Do not bring visitors to see them, unless it is harvest time, and the plants will be pulled the same or following day.

Make sure your plants are out of sight. Take a different route to get to them if they are not in a secure part of your property, and cover the trail to make it look as if there is no trail. Make cut backs in the trail, so that people on the main trail will tend to miss the cut-back to the grow area. Don not park on the main road, always find a place to park that will not arouse suspicion by people that pass on the road. Have a safe house in the area if you are not planting close to home. Always have a good reason for being in the area and have the necessary items to make your claim believable.

Briar and poison oak patches are perfect if you can cut through it. Poison Oak must be washed away before an allergic reaction takes place. Teknu is a special soap solution that will deactivate poison oak before it has time to create a reaction. Apply Teknu immediately after contact and take a shower 30 mins. later.

Try to plant under trees, next to bushes and keep only a few plants in any one spot. Train or top the plants to grow sideways, or do something to prevent the classic christmas tree look of most plants left to grow untrained. Tying the top down to the ground will make the plants branches grow up toward the sun, and increase yield, given a long enough growing season. Plants can be grown under trees if the sun comes in at an angle and lights the area for several hours every day. Plants should get at least 5 hours of direct sun every day, and 5 more hours of indirect light. Use shoes that you can dispose of later and cover your foot prints. Use surgical gloves and leave no fingerprints on pots and other items that might ID you to the fuzz...in case your plot is discovered by passers by.

Put up a fence, or the chipmonks, squirles and deer will nibble on your babies until there is nothing left. Green wire mesh and nylon chicken fencing net work great and can be wrapped around trees to create a strong barrier. Always check it and repair every visit you make to the garden. A barrier of fishing line, one at 18" and another at 3 feet will keep most deer away from your crop.

Gopher Granola is available for areas such as the N. CA mountains, where wood rats and gophers will eat your crop if given any opportunity to do so. The best fence in the world will not keep rats away from your plants! Do not use soap to keep dear away, it will attract rats! (The fat in the soap is edible for them.) Put the poison grain in a feeder than only small rodents can enter, so that birds and deer can not eat it. Set out poison early, before actual planting. The rats must eat the grain for several days before it will have any effect on them. Ultimately, you may find it is easier to grow in a greenhouse shed in your own backyard rather than try to keep the rats from eating your outdoor plot.

When growing away from the house, in the wild, water is the biggest determining factor, after security. The amount you can grow is directly proportional to the water available. If you must pack-in water, carry it in a backpack in case your seen in-route to your garden; you will appear to be merely a hiker, not a grower.

Transporting vegatative starts to the growing area is a most tricky aspect of growing outdoors. Usually, you will want to start plant indoors, or outside in your garden, then transport them to the grow site once they are firmly established. It may be desirable to first detect and separate males from females so that no effort of transporting/transplanting/watering males is incurred.

One suggestion is to use 3" rockwool cubes to start seedlings in, then put 20 of them in a litter pan, cover it with another pan, and transport this to the grow site. The cubes can be planted directly into soil. If spotted inroute to the grow area, burying a dead cat may be a good excuse for being in the area. Few people would demand to see the rotting corpse!

One outdoor grower we know has given up on seeds. He has several strains he likes to clone, so he starts 200 clones in his closet, then transports them outdoors in boxes to the grow site. No males, no differentiation, no weeding, no germinating seeds, no genetic uncertainties, no crops grown for seed, no transporting/transplanting/watering plants your just going to pull up later, no pollination nightmares, no wasted effort!
SOIL GROWING

Use Super Soil brand in California, as this is the only known soil on the West Coast that is guaranteed to be good. Many other brands are mostly wood products and have very few nutrients, are too moist, etc. Add vermiculite, pearlite or sand to Super Soil to increase the drainage and aeration.

Organic gardeners use their own compost prepaired from a mixture of chicken, cow or other manure and household food waste, leaves, lawn clippings, dog hair and other waste products including urine, which is high in nitrogen. Dog hair is not recommended for guerilla gardeners planting off their property where police could find it. DNA tests could prove it was YOUR dogs hair!

Use P4 water crystals in the soil to give the plants a few days worth of emergency water reserves. This substance swells up with water and holds it like a sponge, so that roots will have a reserve if harsh drought makes constant watering necessary. Go real easy on this stuff though, it tends to sink to the bottom of the pot and suffocate bottom roots (new growth roots) and stunts the plant. Use in extreme moderation, let it swell up for at least an hour before mixing with other soil.

Plant size in soil is directly related to pot size. If you want the plant to grow bigger, put it in a bigger pot. Usually, 1/2 gallon per foot of plant is sufficient. A six foot plant would require a minimum of a 3 gallon pot. Remember, square containers have more volume in a square space (like a closet).

Planting in the ground is always preferable when growing in soil. The plants can then grow to any size, unlimited by pot size.

Bat Guano, chicken manure, or worm castings can all be used to fertilize organically in soil. Manures can burn, so they should be composted with the soil first, before planting, over several weeks. Sea weed is available to provide a rich trace mineral source that breaks down slowly and constantly feeds the plants.

If growing outdoors in available soil, look around for leaves and other natural sources of nitrogen and work them into the soil, along with some dolmite lime and composted organic fertilizer. Even small amounts of plant food such as Miracle Grow can be added to soil at this time. (Organic gardeners frown upon this practice, however. Toxic wastes are produced by commercial fertilizer production.) Mulch can be made from leaves and spread out over the garden area to hold in moisture and keep down weeds near the plants.
SECURITY

Its interesting that pot plants really do blend in with other plants to the point that they are unidentifiable by all but the most observant. I remember a relative of the family on a visit to Texas showed me his corn in the garden and I was standing 3feet away from several pot plants before I recognized them for what they were.

Plants started outdoors late in the season never get very big and never attract the least bit of attention when placed next to plants of similar or taller stature. Even tall plants grown among several trees will be almost invisible in their camouflage.

Outdoors the object is to control access to an area, and not to arouse suspicion. Tuck them here and there, never in a recognizable pattern. Space them out, and fit them in to the existing landscape such that they get full sun, but they are hidden or blend in. Fence lines and groups of several together are best. Try to find strains that seem to match the surrounding plants. Feed nitrogen to your plants if they need to be greener to blend in. Some growers even use plastic red flowers, pinned to a plant, disguising it as a flower bush.

Visit the plants at night on full moons, and if your visible to neighbors, appear to be pruning a tree, mowing the lawn, or doing something in the yard that makes you invisible.

Dig a hole and put a potted plant in it. The plants height will be reduced by at least a foot.

Some growers top the plant when it is 12" high, and grow the 2 tops horizontally along a trellis. The plant will never be over 3 feet tall, and never arouses suspicion from neighbors. This type of plant can even be grown in your yard in full view. Many stories abound of having the neighbors over for a BBQ and nobody ever noticed the nice plants over by the fence...
PLANT FOOD AND NUTRIENTS

Plant foods have 3 main ingredients that will be the mainstay of the garden, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium. These 3 ingredients are usually listed on the front label of the plant food in the order of N-P-K. A 20-20-20 plant food has a Nitrogen level of 20%.

Secondary nutrients are Calcium, Sulphur and Magnesium. In trace quantities, boron, copper, molybenum, zink, iron, and manganese.

Depending on stage of growth, different nutrients are needed at different times. For rooting and germination, levels of high P nutrients with less N/K are needed. Vegetative growth needs lots of N, and human urine is one of the better sources, (mix 8 ounces to 1 gallon water), although it is not a complete fertilizer unto itself. 20-20-20 with trace elements should do it; I like Miracle Grow Patio food. Watch for calcium, magnesium, sulfur and iron levels too. These are important. One tablespoon of dolomite or hydrated lime is used per gallon of growing medium when a hydroponic medium is first brought on-line, to provide nitrogen, calcium and magnesium. Epsom salts are used to enhance magnesium and sulphur levels in solution.

Tobacco grown with potassium nitrate burns better. Plant foods with PN (P2N3) are foods such as Miracle Grow. This is an excellent fertilizer for vegetative growth, or through the flowering cycle as well. Consider however, potassium nitrate is also known as Salt Peter, and is used to make men have less sexual desire or impotent, such as in mental institutions. So if certain plants are destined for cooking, you might use Fish Emulsion or some other totally organic fertilizer on these plants, at least in the last weeks of flowering.


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Dr J - Fishing wire for the deer is best bet. They'll be your biggest worry. After that, slug pellets!!! Don't know about there, but here the slugs are killers!! lol
But if you plant them outside once they're 2' tall or more the slugs shouldn't be able to completely destroy them, but still not good though.
Northen lights is a good plant. Not sure how well it does outside though, as all the people who grow it here grow indoors. I reckon with the right conditions you could get up to 10kg+ harvest. Depends how much light they get though. If you could tell me how many lumens the area gets on average then i could work it out. But equipment for measuring this is a bit pricey.

Planting next to the river is a great idea. The soil there should be richer and once the roots are fully established you'll never need to water them. May be add a nutrient and water mix 1-2 times a month.

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Re: MJ planting questions [Re: PriitK]
    #5513006 - 04/13/06 07:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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PriitK said:
Thanks for the help.

I think I'm going to grow more, i have around 2,000 seeds, my goal is to get pounds+ if possible. I have so many good spots to grow, not many people go there, because I fish there alot.

I also have a greenhouse i might grow in, but its sorta risky I would think.




Excellent!
Always carry your fishing gear when visiting your plants and you'll have an alibi. Carefull not to leave too many DNA (hair/urine) traces about the place....just in case..


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