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OfflineExplosiveMango
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FAILED EXTRACTION
    #5470453 - 04/02/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I attempted a polar/non-polar extraction on some morning glory seeds.

I used butane as a non-polar solvent, and isopropanol (isopropyl alcohol) for a polar solvent.

I powdered my seeds, and poured butane through them with a coffee filter. The butane took a very short time to seep through and drain out.

I took the seeds and spread them out to dry, making sure all traces of butane had evaporated.

I then took my time pouring the alcohol through the seeds, using a coffee filter. I poured alcohol until I could no longer see a color change. (~500ml for 20g seeds)

I collected the juice in a glass baking pan, and used my oven at 70 degrees C/150 f to evaporate the alcohol. I thoroughly scraped the residue from the sides of the baking pan and collected around .25 grams of material. It was brown, gunky when wet, crystalline when dry.

It did nothing.
I split the extract between myself and one friend, and noticed ALMOST threshold effects briefly... but mostly just nothing.

It is worthy of note that the extract still tasted quite sour. (acidic.)

Where could I have gone wrong? The LSA must have been lost and destroyed somewhere.


My theories include-
-thermal shock from butane destroyed the LSA
-the butane dissolved the LSA and carried it away
-too high of an over temperature destroyed the LSA
-the filter did not allow for LSA to pass through it
-the isopropanol did not dissolve the LSA

Anyone who can help by adding any theories as to where I went wrong should feel welcome to share.

Anyone who can rule out any of my theories, feel even more welcome to share!  :grin:

I have friends who are eager to see me find an effective extraction method, so I will continue to experiment.


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5470466 - 04/02/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Was this your first time doing LSA? I tried it for my second time 2 days ago, i just felt fatigued. No visuals or anything psychedelic. 8 HBWR seeds


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5470485 - 04/02/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

jst31 said:
Was this your first time doing LSA? I tried it for my second time 2 days ago, i just felt fatigued. No visuals or anything psychedelic. 8 HBWR seeds




It was not. I have done LSA numerous times (4-8)
At this time I would say it is my favorite psychedelic.

After failing to trip from the extract I decided to just do some seeds the day after, had a fairly good trip. (swallowed 3 grams, water extracted 10)


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Edited by ExplosiveMango (04/02/06 10:58 AM)


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5470824 - 04/02/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My only experience with LSA was an extraction I did over 5 years ago... used the oven to evap... had similar results. I think the heat is the problem.


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: Mezcal]
    #5471550 - 04/02/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

theres a few problems with lsa, 1 is of course its rediculosly unstable compound. 2 its only moderatly soluable in most things. my recomendation next time soak the seeds in the alcohol for 24 hours. dont use your oven use a large surface area dish. i personaly prefer a 12" pyrex pie pan for open air evaporations easily covered with a coffee filter to prevent dust and crap from geting into your brew. also i recomend doing larger extractions. all that work for 1 trip is a PITA. order 250 HBWR from psydelllicherbs.com or iamshaman.org and do them all up in 1 extract. scrape the goo up weigh it split it up and put it into capsules then store in the freezer.


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5471567 - 04/02/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

here is an awesome thread on lsa and making extracts:

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001154&p=1


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: giz]
    #5471920 - 04/02/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hahahaa!

Obviously, a "higher power" is angry at you, for calling nice people idiots.


Good day.


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Re: FAILED EXTRACTION [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5473517 - 04/03/06 04:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Instead of putting it in the oven to dry you should have just let a fan blow over it for a while. I have never extracted LSA this way, a simple soak and drink has always worked for me.


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