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AhronZombi
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Love?
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should it be just for the people we think deserve it or uncoditional for everyone and everything?
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redgreenvines
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is love the reflection that endears? i.e. from impressions to encorporation into memory is love the caring for what appears? i.e from attitude out into the unbounded
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Re: Love? [Re: Gomp]
#5474119 - 04/03/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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David_vs_Goliath
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there are many types of love. In other languages there are different names for the different types. We get caught up in our language which only has one way of describing many different but similar feelings of love. Unconditional love for a partner family love love of friends love of humanity
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dorkus
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It is all the same love.
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David_vs_Goliath
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Re: Love? [Re: dorkus]
#5475195 - 04/03/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you consider love for humanity the same as love for a spouse?
-------------------- "People living deeply have no fear of death." "Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, you will perceive the divine mystery in things. Once you perceive it, you will begin to comprehend it better every day. And you will come at last to love the whole world with an all-embracing love." "Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings."
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MushmanTheManic
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I try to have unconditional respect for everyone, but, for me, "love" is the product of a very open and mutual interpersonal relationship. It's something which develops after a I've spent a great deal of time with a person.
Edited by MushmanTheManic (04/03/06 04:27 PM)
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Deviate
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we should allow ourselves to love as much as we are capable of.
Edited by Deviate (04/03/06 04:26 PM)
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dorkus
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Yes. But I could never muster up unconditional love for the whole of humanity. I think some would call that enlightenment.
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I think it would be funny if we revisted this poll ten years from now, with all the original participants. Then we could ask those who voted for 'unconditional love' how far that philosophy has gotten them in life.
my prediction: not very far
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Re: Love? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5475583 - 04/03/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Love" is a rather vague term, and thus it is difficult to answer. I personally think that compassion for everyone is the right moral attitude to have.
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Deviate
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Re: Love? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5475618 - 04/03/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I think it would be funny if we revisted this poll ten years from now, with all the original participants. Then we could ask those who voted for 'unconditional love' how far that philosophy has gotten them in life.
my prediction: not very far
your prediction is wrong so far for me. the more i allow and remind myself to love and i mean love life in general, the happier i am and the more able i am to deal with life's hardships. there is even an apreiciable difference in my gpa since i learned to love. it's a whole different outlook on life than i had before and superior in so many ways. don't underestimate the power of love, or compassion as paradigm puts it.
also, be aware that we are not all kids here. there are many posters in their 30s, 40s and 50s who have already passed your 10 year test.
Edited by Deviate (04/03/06 05:23 PM)
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Re: Love? [Re: Deviate]
#5475943 - 04/03/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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To withold love by meriting out deservance is to be judged unworthy of having love yourself.
Love is to give to all beings as love is a purifier. Beings get what they are ready for given their default ego states..... and beings give what they are comfortable with based upon their ego state.
Love is, however, for all beings, and as such the issue of deserve/non-deserve is not particularly an issue to begin with.
Recognize all beings as you.
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dorkus
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Re: Love? [Re: leery11]
#5476176 - 04/03/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Recognize all beings as you."
If there ever was a key, this must be it. And I think that is exactly why it is easy to love family or a spouse unconditionally. We identify with them as our selves. If they take offense, we take offense. If they are joyful, it transfers... It is literally like a merge. My experience is that honesty brings this one step further, and two people can tune into eachother and almost literally be one.
"I think it would be funny if we revisted this poll ten years from now, with all the original participants. Then we could ask those who voted for 'unconditional love' how far that philosophy has gotten them in life.
my prediction: not very far."
Where do you want to go? Are you talkin about material gains, or what?
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Complete strangers with entirely unknown histories do not get any love from me - nor could I ever expect any from them. I do extend them common courtesy, and expect the same as well. I do not advocate the prostitution of love in the name of some new-agey crap.
Love is a deep, selfish expressment of my own values that I value in another being. As such, love is a bond that is earned over time, experience and intimacy.
Now, lust, on the other hand... 
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Deviate
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SkorpivoMusterion said: Complete strangers with entirely unknown histories do not get any love from me - nor could I ever expect any from them. I do extend them common courtesy, and expect the same as well. I do not advocate the prostitution of love in the name of some new-agey crap.
Love is a deep, selfish expressment of my own values that I value in another being. As such, love is a bond that is earned over time, experience and intimacy.
Now, lust, on the other hand... 
spiritual leaders have been preaching love for literally thousands of years. how is it in any way new-agey? i was expecting a more insightful reply to this topic from you. also, i think its a shame that you are not willing to offer love to strangers. its a simple acknowledgement of their being, the fact that they are fundamentally similar to you. if you love yourself, what is preventing you from extending at least little of this love to all humanity?
Edited by Deviate (04/03/06 07:40 PM)
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Love? [Re: Deviate]
#5476255 - 04/03/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"We are operating on many levels here"
"Love" is a rather vague term, and thus it is difficult to answer.
For those of you who advocate unconditional love of all beings, would you be kind enough to explain your definition(s) of "love"? Specifically, how do you unconditionally love all beings? Is it an attitude? Through selfless actions? Through unconditional acceptance and equanimity? etc.
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Deviate
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its a recognition that all beings are fundamentally similar to you, therefore whatever love you have for yourself can be extended outward. that's a poor definition and hopefully someone else can do better and i am by no means a master of love. but i do feel at least small amounts of love or rather compassion, for all people. even my enemies.
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MushmanTheManic said: "We are operating on many levels here"
"Love" is a rather vague term, and thus it is difficult to answer.
For those of you who advocate unconditional love of all beings, would you be kind enough to explain your definition(s) of "love"? Specifically, how do you unconditionally love all beings? Is it an attitude? Through selfless actions? Through unconditional acceptance and equanimity? etc.
I give strangers unconditional love by being the person they need me to be.
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