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Is this datura?
    #5472910 - 04/02/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was reading some old posts when I came across this one.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3997508#Post3997508

I found a plant exactly like that person has. Is this datura? There wasn't a concrete answer in that thread.



I also don't have a picture of the flowers. This was in Florida though.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5472920 - 04/02/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really think so. Those look like these spikey balls that fall off trees and in the summer you walk around and step on them.  :crankey:


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Wysefool]
    #5472931 - 04/02/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't really think so. Those look like these spikey balls that fall off trees and in the summer you walk around and step on them.  :crankey:




Horse chestnut? No, read the other person's post. He describes it. It's a bush type thing.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5472938 - 04/02/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It could be a small pod though. Can't you get a pic of the flowers or a nice close up of a big leaf? Are those leaves slightly fuzzy and smell really bad?


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Wysefool]
    #5472946 - 04/02/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Chestnut?


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Kerr]
    #5472962 - 04/02/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If it is datura or not isnt datura a bad idea?


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5472971 - 04/02/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes and no, I have no personal experience with any tropanes, but definetly not something to be messed around with. W_S has some experience and if I remember correctly has chosen it, or maybe it chose him as an ally. Maybe he will chime in and shed some light :sun:


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Kerr]
    #5473006 - 04/03/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know all about datura's effects. I just want to identify this plant. Yes, it has a weird smell. My friend's dog would not leave me alone when the leaves were in my pocket. I noticed a sticky wax type thing on the bigger leaves, too.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5473574 - 04/03/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok, if its a bushy plant about 1 meter or less in height, has trumpet shaped flowers(possibly wrong season) and those balls grow between the nodes yes its datura. it apears to me that flower is purple which would lead me to belevie D. metel variety. from my personal experences datura can be great but it can also be a temporay scitsoprehia lost 2 days if your not carefull. basicly start small and see what happens you may or may not enjoy the effects. ive seen a few people take way the hell to much and go nuts for a few days and ive dosed small enough to trip and high enough to loose it. eh its an experence to be had either way just be carefull.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5474623 - 04/03/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is simmilar to the datura plant. Open up the pod and take pictures of the seeds.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: MxIndustry]
    #5474809 - 04/03/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

check out erowid there's very good pictures over there!


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Simisu]
    #5474866 - 04/03/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anybody know what the safest way to ingest datura is (I know its all unsafe, but I'm going to do it anyway)


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5475167 - 04/03/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


Lightened up the picture for a 100% posotive ID. I have no clue myself.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5475197 - 04/03/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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ngnyus said:
Anybody know what the safest way to ingest datura is (I know its all unsafe, but I'm going to do it anyway)




safest way would still be not to ingest datura!
and if you still want to get "fucked up" check out erowid...
though you'd be better off trying 90% of the other interesting drugs out there rather then datura

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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Simisu]
    #5475655 - 04/03/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's either datura or chestnut. If you could get a better picture of the leaves or a better description of what you got it from, it would definitely help.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: nickpdx]
    #5475719 - 04/03/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

doesnt look like a datura to me.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: giz]
    #5475764 - 04/03/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's definitely not chestnut. It doesn't grow in Florida. The flower looked like a bush about 2-3 feet high. Yellow trumpet flowers about 2 inches long. There was a sticky secretion on some of the bigger leaves. I wasn't paying attention to the smell but my friend's dog wouldn't leave me alone trying to sniff the leaves in my pocket. I'll post pictures of the inside later tonight. What other flower has seed pods like this in Florida?


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5475801 - 04/03/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it may be Allamanda cathartica L. also called golden trumpet a poisnous plant that i belive grows in florida.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: giz]
    #5475833 - 04/03/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

actually after reading your description again im not too sure but there are several plants that has seedpods with thorns.


here is a Allamanda cathartica drawing


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: giz]
    #5476029 - 04/03/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It looks like it could be "sweet gum " to me. Not a Thorn apple.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5476228 - 04/03/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I know all about datura's effects.




That's quite a thing to say, traveler..

We can't positively ID, we really need a photo session. The bush itself, shape of a leaf, the flower if you got it, the pod and the seed. The eexact species is very important when it comes to Datura.

Once we knowe that it is in fact Datura, the shape and size of the seeds is important.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5476243 - 04/03/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Anybody know what the safest way to ingest datura is (I know its all unsafe, but I'm going to do it anyway)





That you don't know this most crucial basic fact, but still want to imbide is.. ummm.. well its not your finest hour I hope.

If you were to eat it, how much would you take? (weight)


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Asante]
    #5476487 - 04/03/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's Allamanda cathartica. Positively identified based on some images I looked up. Thanks.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #5477895 - 04/04/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

a just as i thought , it makes a nice garden plant tho if you take out the seeds :smile:

this is why positive id are so important, this plant wouldnt have killed you but will have given you fever, swollen lips, nausea, diarrhea and so on if you ingested it, just touchin the sap gives skin irriations.




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Re: Is this datura? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5479911 - 04/04/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It looks like it could be "sweet gum " to me. Not a Thorn apple.



Sweetgum balls tend to be smaller and with less spikes...that was one of my thoughts at first too. I guess there's no more need for ID though.  :tongue:


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: nickpdx]
    #5480338 - 04/04/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's not datura.

Datura seedpods tend to be slightly obloid, and as they mature there should be a visible scoring of the pod into quarters.

That and the leaves are completely different.


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: BorgFace]
    #5480417 - 04/04/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I doubt that it is datura. I was going to offer sending you some datura seeds to grow (quite a marvelous plant)but now that I know your intention to ingest the seeds I passed up on my offer. Datura can be dangerous. Watch out. The seeds shouldn't be that hard to come across...


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: Simisu]
    #5540736 - 04/21/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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simisu said:
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ngnyus said:
Anybody know what the safest way to ingest datura is (I know its all unsafe, but I'm going to do it anyway)




safest way would still be not to ingest datura!
and if you still want to get "fucked up" check out erowid...
though you'd be better off trying 90% of the other interesting drugs out there rather then datura

be safe!



I am not looking to get "fucked up".  I have heard that datura can be a powerful spiritual ally, and would like to meet such.  I am not a kid looking for a cheap high, I am a spiritual seeker who is trying to be as safe as possible, and thus was hoping on any valuable information on spiritual uses of this plant other than Carlos Castaneda, who I do not fully trust or believe.  Thanx :royalrainbow:


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Re: Is this datura? [Re: BorgFace]
    #5542792 - 04/22/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree borgface. In addition it tends to be more of an herbaceous ground plant, that twig you have looks mighty woody.

In addition, I believe chess nuts and Ohio buckeye and a few other trees have seed pods like that, and some of them are actually toxic. I would be sure you know what you are eating before ingesting random seed pods.

Furthermore, datura grows like a weed. You can't get rid of it usually, and its around lots of buildings you wouldn't expect to see it...right under your nose...Do some google image pictures and look at the flowers.


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