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Offlinegtx
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Getting nervous pls add opinion
    #5472653 - 04/02/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

at around 9:30 pm me and my friend went shroomin and found about 8 large mushrooms in a cow pasture with domed shaped<possibly because they werent fully grown>shrooms that bruised chocalate brown in about 20 minutes and the stems were hollow and white and dried quickly, they were were off-white when picked and gills were easily visble from the top of cap and brownish near edges there were no rings on the stems and the they left a blackish gray sporeprint we ate four shrooms a peice and helt no nausea or any classic signs of trippiin on shrooms andits been almost 2 hoours since consumption and no abnormalness at all. so we were just wondering what should be done?  :confused:

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    we ate them after about 2 hours of looking through  several poisonous, phychedelic and non-poisonous shroom books we found no matching poisonoous shrooms and they had many qualities of phychedelic shrooms but weve had no

OK we are faily certain we ate Coprinus sterquilinus the onnly difference is the the size the ones we ate were 1/3 larger but they match up very closely closley no unusual signs 28 hours later


Edited by gtx (04/04/06 12:25 AM)


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472695 - 04/02/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

why would you eat a shroom that you could not identify?

if you die, it's called natural selection


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: wds]
    #5472705 - 04/02/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any left or did you eat them all?


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
    #5472710 - 04/02/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think you probably consumed harmless coprinus mushrooms, but we should be sure, so please try to answer my questions if you can.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
    #5472711 - 04/02/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you can get the exact same shroom you ate also I have never heard of this but you could try to puke up the shrooms 1 so you do not digest them all the way, if you havent already and 2 you would have a gross shroom sample but not a very good but I think it would be better than nothing,

WEATHER YOU CAN GET THE SAMPLE SHROOM OR NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL!


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
    #5472723 - 04/02/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's only been two hours. He still has time, so lets see if we can figure out what he ate, before we send him to the hospital.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472729 - 04/02/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can you tell me how you took the spore print? did you just press the gills against paper, or did you let the mushrooms set for a while to drop spores?


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472734 - 04/02/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472753 - 04/02/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gray spores that sounds weird. Sounds dangerous to me. I would go to a hospital weather we find out if it is poisonis or not because what if you miss identify it?

Well here is my words of wisdom, From noe untill 3 days if you get really sick and vomit and shit and if any blood comes out of you in any way shape or form go to the hospital, but if that is happening depending on the shroom it could be to late I belive.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472756 - 04/02/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gtx said:
im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow




Inert spores what?


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
    #5472781 - 04/02/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i took spore print my leaving under a jar for 15 mminutes


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5472871 - 04/02/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

your gonna need to leave it there for a lot longer than that


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
    #5473119 - 04/03/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have been working with gtx via PM for what seems like an hour. I think he ate either Coprinus comatus or more likely Panaeolus semiovatus with a cracked cap. I could be wrong though.

He knows to go to the hospital if he gets sick. Even if he ate a deadly mushroom, he will be fine if he gets help as soon as the symptoms start.

I have class in the morning, and its almost 3:00 AM I'm going to bed.

GTX, I hope you will remember to properly identify your mushrooms in the future.

Good night Shroomery.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
    #5473569 - 04/03/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You are truely crazy dudes . don't do it again if you get lucky and live past this one!


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
    #5473571 - 04/03/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow




The spores shouldn't have much to do with the problem! It's the mushroom itself that consists of most of the material anyway, so regardless of the spores, eating random stuff is dangerous.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: array]
    #5473844 - 04/03/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then. Of course in this case, it is highly unlikely that gtx ate something with amatoxins (spring and in a cow pasture - amanitas and galerinas unlikely), but in general earlier treatment is better.

The best advice is don't eat mushrooms you're not sure about - and even if you are sure ALWAYS SAVE A SAMPLE in case something like this happens. Don't go eating your whole stash.

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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: xmush]
    #5474604 - 04/03/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then.




This is from the Emedicine website for amatoxins:
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Time of onset of symptoms
Phalloidin causes gastrointestinal symptoms about 6-12 hours after ingestion.

Renal and liver toxicity caused by amanitin is evident 24-48 hours after ingestion




http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic76.htm


As you can see, vomiting and diarrhea occur 12-18 hours before detectable liver damage. This gives a window for treatment in which a persons life can be saved. A person who waits until stage two of the poisoning is a goner.

It's not that I disagree with what you said. My advice was particular to this situation where the likelihood of amatoxin poisoning was very low. If someone suspects he has eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom, he should induce vomiting and seek medical attention immediately.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
    #5474700 - 04/03/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i hope you are fine, but what a poor, poor decision. for one, you can kill yourself. secondly, you make the rest of us look bad for doing such things. whatever. hope u r ok.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: xmush]
    #5474796 - 04/03/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

gtx, hopefully you've figured out that you got lucky. You should never eat any unidentified mushrooms. That you don't seem to have been poisoned is pure luck. Symptoms could still show up for 24 hours after ingestion (or even more in some cases). If you become ill, call the poison center (1-800-222-1222) and follow their advice.

xmush, you are absolutely correct when you say that the earlier the treatment the more effective it is. This assumes that immediate treatment is available. The standard procedure in most places in cases of this type (possible poisonings) is to contact the local poison center. After 2 hours, unless there is good reason to believe that a deadly (amatoxin containing) mushroom has been ingested, most poison centers recommend waiting to see if any symptoms develop. This is primarily because the likelihood of the individual having actually eaten a deadly mushroom is very low. Also, after 2 hours, treating the patient by emesis makes no significant difference in the outcome. Treatments will be based on symptoms, so a wait-and-see approach is reasonable.

shroomydan, the symptoms of the liver or kidney toxicity aren't evident until 12-24 hours after ingestion, but that's because it takes that long for symptoms of damage to those organs to show up. Various toxins produced normally by the body into the blood and filtered out by the liver and kidneys build up to levels high enough to create those symptoms.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: astabooty]
    #5474811 - 04/03/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

::sigh:: let me get my copy of the tibetan book of the dead.
ill be reading it aloud just in case....


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5474908 - 04/03/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shroomydan,

I definitely wasn't trying to say that your advice in this particular situation was not good -- as discussed the probability that this person had consumed amatoxins was exceedingly small, and given your PMs with the individual, you had pretty much ruled that out completely. So your advice was perfect in this case. But it did spur memories of other posts where people have given sort of cavalier advice to someone who had eaten an unidentified shroom, telling them to just wait it out and such. Especially if it caught very early (less than two hours as ToxicMan suggested), inducing vomiting and giving medicines like charcoal which delay absorption of things from the intestinal tract can be somewhat effective. And also as T-man points out, by the time liver or kidney disease is evident in a patient, the damage has been done. That is why if there is high probability of amatoxin ingestion (and by high I mean as small as say 10%), treatment should begin immediately.

Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. I definitely wasn't trying to contradict Shroomydan's excellent advice in this particular case. I was just trying to make the general point that waiting for symptoms to show up is not a good idea if there is any possibility that an amatoxin containing mushroom has been eaten.

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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5474939 - 04/03/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Natural selection lol, what unfavourable trait is it working against? idiocy or poor natural tolerance for poison. p.s hope u dont die dude that might give this board a bad rep.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: Coitus]
    #5475199 - 04/03/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yea gtx you should find a new friend to hangout with. not the ones that eat random mushrooms, those kids can get you in trouble...


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: thosemynikes]
    #5476263 - 04/03/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

when will they learn?


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: findaway29]
    #5478107 - 04/04/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not even going to begin to tell you how many random and unidentified weird looking fungi me and my girlfriend ate when we were first hunting... I can't count them on my hands and feet.

You guys woulda spat on my grave had I died I was sooooooooo goddamned lucky, I'm so thankful that we eventually found the right ones (with the help of shroomery guides (spore prints etc))
If we'd kept going, we would have eaten the deadly ones that look like subs :P that were growing really close to them

Sorry guys for risking your livelihood and hobbies!


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: indica]
    #5478264 - 04/04/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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xk3m_indica said:
I'm not even going to begin to tell you how many random and unidentified weird looking fungi me and my girlfriend ate when we were first hunting... I can't count them on my hands and feet.



:eek:

God must have big plans for you friend. I'm glad you are still with us.


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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
    #5478549 - 04/04/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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shroomydan said:
Quote:

This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then.




This is from the Emedicine website for amatoxins:
Quote:

Time of onset of symptoms
Phalloidin causes gastrointestinal symptoms about 6-12 hours after ingestion.

Renal and liver toxicity caused by amanitin is evident 24-48 hours after ingestion




http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic76.htm


As you can see, vomiting and diarrhea occur 12-18 hours before detectable liver damage. This gives a window for treatment in which a persons life can be saved. A person who waits until stage two of the poisoning is a goner.

It's not that I disagree with what you said. My advice was particular to this situation where the likelihood of amatoxin poisoning was very low. If someone suspects he has eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom, he should induce vomiting and seek medical attention immediately.




eh just adding my 2 cents in here.. dont know if same rule applys here..  with deadly/none actives but.. i sorta did something like this with some active capsules... i had 1 and was feeling sweet.. but felt the trip wasnt enough... fort fuk it drop another ( mind u i had to work my self up to having one from 1-2 small sized srhoom trips ) anyways droped that 2nd capsule and with in 20 seconds of swalling it fort oh no this is gonna be 2 much... went lied down thinking ohh fuck how am i gonna stop this now... after a few minutes of thinking i fort... ehh ill stick myhands down my neck and vomit the capsule back up.. got the capsule back up onli 1/4 of it left.. could see bits of curshed up shroom all thru my vomit.. but then about 45minutes laterrrrrrrrr IIIIIIIIII WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ........... defintly that 2nd capsule did something becos i was allrady in the peak of the 1st capsule witch wasnt 2 strong...

so yeah... i dunno but maybe onces its in ur stumic it starts right away.. becos i know how "maggeted" it got me and i vomited not even 10 minutes after eating it ... but yeah i aint no medcial or science person.. just going on my own life storys...

on the other hand DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE WTF ARE U DOING EATING SHIT YOUR NOT I/DING THATS SO CRAZYYYYYYYYYY
least ur not dead... FUKEN KNOW YOUR DEADLYS just as much as you know your actives...........!!!!!!!! PLEASE MUSHROOM DEATHS ARE SO UN NESSASNESRY ( sorry cant spell hope u can read it )

im not one to step on mushrooms.. any type.. but when i find a deadly one.. in a open park wherepeople go thru.. i do destory it.. yes i know its disrepsctfull but you never know YOU COULD OF JUST SAVED SOME CLOWNS LIFE???????????????

ne who that was ment to be my 2cent.. lol looks like i spent bout 10 cents :P HAHAHAHAHAH


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