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xmush
Professor ofDoom


Registered: 10/22/05
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Loc: Jaw-juh
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: ShroomDoom]
#5474908 - 04/03/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomydan,
I definitely wasn't trying to say that your advice in this particular situation was not good -- as discussed the probability that this person had consumed amatoxins was exceedingly small, and given your PMs with the individual, you had pretty much ruled that out completely. So your advice was perfect in this case. But it did spur memories of other posts where people have given sort of cavalier advice to someone who had eaten an unidentified shroom, telling them to just wait it out and such. Especially if it caught very early (less than two hours as ToxicMan suggested), inducing vomiting and giving medicines like charcoal which delay absorption of things from the intestinal tract can be somewhat effective. And also as T-man points out, by the time liver or kidney disease is evident in a patient, the damage has been done. That is why if there is high probability of amatoxin ingestion (and by high I mean as small as say 10%), treatment should begin immediately.
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. I definitely wasn't trying to contradict Shroomydan's excellent advice in this particular case. I was just trying to make the general point that waiting for symptoms to show up is not a good idea if there is any possibility that an amatoxin containing mushroom has been eaten.
xmush
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Coitus
Chemical Life


Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 107
Loc: New Zealand
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: ShroomDoom]
#5474939 - 04/03/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Natural selection lol, what unfavourable trait is it working against? idiocy or poor natural tolerance for poison. p.s hope u dont die dude that might give this board a bad rep.
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thosemynikes
Gangster


Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 132
Loc: CA, monterey bay
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: Coitus]
#5475199 - 04/03/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea gtx you should find a new friend to hangout with. not the ones that eat random mushrooms, those kids can get you in trouble...
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findaway29
Stranger
Registered: 10/30/04
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Loc: Ga
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: thosemynikes]
#5476263 - 04/03/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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when will they learn?
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indica


Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: findaway29]
#5478107 - 04/04/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not even going to begin to tell you how many random and unidentified weird looking fungi me and my girlfriend ate when we were first hunting... I can't count them on my hands and feet.
You guys woulda spat on my grave had I died I was sooooooooo goddamned lucky, I'm so thankful that we eventually found the right ones (with the help of shroomery guides (spore prints etc)) If we'd kept going, we would have eaten the deadly ones that look like subs :P that were growing really close to them
Sorry guys for risking your livelihood and hobbies!
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shroomydan
exshroomerite


Registered: 07/04/04
Posts: 4,126
Loc: In the woods
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: indica]
#5478264 - 04/04/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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xk3m_indica said: I'm not even going to begin to tell you how many random and unidentified weird looking fungi me and my girlfriend ate when we were first hunting... I can't count them on my hands and feet.

God must have big plans for you friend. I'm glad you are still with us.
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shroomkma
Stranger

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 592
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
#5478549 - 04/04/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shroomydan said:
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This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then.
This is from the Emedicine website for amatoxins:
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Time of onset of symptoms Phalloidin causes gastrointestinal symptoms about 6-12 hours after ingestion.
Renal and liver toxicity caused by amanitin is evident 24-48 hours after ingestion
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic76.htm
As you can see, vomiting and diarrhea occur 12-18 hours before detectable liver damage. This gives a window for treatment in which a persons life can be saved. A person who waits until stage two of the poisoning is a goner.
It's not that I disagree with what you said. My advice was particular to this situation where the likelihood of amatoxin poisoning was very low. If someone suspects he has eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom, he should induce vomiting and seek medical attention immediately.
eh just adding my 2 cents in here.. dont know if same rule applys here.. with deadly/none actives but.. i sorta did something like this with some active capsules... i had 1 and was feeling sweet.. but felt the trip wasnt enough... fort fuk it drop another ( mind u i had to work my self up to having one from 1-2 small sized srhoom trips ) anyways droped that 2nd capsule and with in 20 seconds of swalling it fort oh no this is gonna be 2 much... went lied down thinking ohh fuck how am i gonna stop this now... after a few minutes of thinking i fort... ehh ill stick myhands down my neck and vomit the capsule back up.. got the capsule back up onli 1/4 of it left.. could see bits of curshed up shroom all thru my vomit.. but then about 45minutes laterrrrrrrrr IIIIIIIIII WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ........... defintly that 2nd capsule did something becos i was allrady in the peak of the 1st capsule witch wasnt 2 strong...
so yeah... i dunno but maybe onces its in ur stumic it starts right away.. becos i know how "maggeted" it got me and i vomited not even 10 minutes after eating it ... but yeah i aint no medcial or science person.. just going on my own life storys...
on the other hand DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE WTF ARE U DOING EATING SHIT YOUR NOT I/DING THATS SO CRAZYYYYYYYYYY least ur not dead... FUKEN KNOW YOUR DEADLYS just as much as you know your actives...........!!!!!!!! PLEASE MUSHROOM DEATHS ARE SO UN NESSASNESRY ( sorry cant spell hope u can read it )
im not one to step on mushrooms.. any type.. but when i find a deadly one.. in a open park wherepeople go thru.. i do destory it.. yes i know its disrepsctfull but you never know YOU COULD OF JUST SAVED SOME CLOWNS LIFE???????????????
ne who that was ment to be my 2cent.. lol looks like i spent bout 10 cents :P HAHAHAHAHAH
happy shrooming
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