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gtx
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Getting nervous pls add opinion
#5472653 - 04/02/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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at around 9:30 pm me and my friend went shroomin and found about 8 large mushrooms in a cow pasture with domed shaped<possibly because they werent fully grown>shrooms that bruised chocalate brown in about 20 minutes and the stems were hollow and white and dried quickly, they were were off-white when picked and gills were easily visble from the top of cap and brownish near edges there were no rings on the stems and the they left a blackish gray sporeprint we ate four shrooms a peice and helt no nausea or any classic signs of trippiin on shrooms andits been almost 2 hoours since consumption and no abnormalness at all. so we were just wondering what should be done? 
P.S. we ate them after about 2 hours of looking through several poisonous, phychedelic and non-poisonous shroom books we found no matching poisonoous shrooms and they had many qualities of phychedelic shrooms but weve had no
OK we are faily certain we ate Coprinus sterquilinus the onnly difference is the the size the ones we ate were 1/3 larger but they match up very closely closley no unusual signs 28 hours later
Edited by gtx (04/04/06 12:25 AM)
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472695 - 04/02/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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why would you eat a shroom that you could not identify?
if you die, it's called natural selection
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: wds]
#5472705 - 04/02/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have any left or did you eat them all?
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shroomydan
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
#5472710 - 04/02/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you probably consumed harmless coprinus mushrooms, but we should be sure, so please try to answer my questions if you can.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
#5472711 - 04/02/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you can get the exact same shroom you ate also I have never heard of this but you could try to puke up the shrooms 1 so you do not digest them all the way, if you havent already and 2 you would have a gross shroom sample but not a very good but I think it would be better than nothing,
WEATHER YOU CAN GET THE SAMPLE SHROOM OR NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL!
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
#5472723 - 04/02/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's only been two hours. He still has time, so lets see if we can figure out what he ate, before we send him to the hospital.
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shroomydan
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472729 - 04/02/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you tell me how you took the spore print? did you just press the gills against paper, or did you let the mushrooms set for a while to drop spores?
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gtx
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472734 - 04/02/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow
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mikeownow
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472753 - 04/02/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gray spores that sounds weird. Sounds dangerous to me. I would go to a hospital weather we find out if it is poisonis or not because what if you miss identify it?
Well here is my words of wisdom, From noe untill 3 days if you get really sick and vomit and shit and if any blood comes out of you in any way shape or form go to the hospital, but if that is happening depending on the shroom it could be to late I belive.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472756 - 04/02/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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gtx said: im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow
Inert spores what?
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gtx
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
#5472781 - 04/02/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i took spore print my leaving under a jar for 15 mminutes
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mikeownow
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5472871 - 04/02/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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your gonna need to leave it there for a lot longer than that
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: mikeownow]
#5473119 - 04/03/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have been working with gtx via PM for what seems like an hour. I think he ate either Coprinus comatus or more likely Panaeolus semiovatus with a cracked cap. I could be wrong though.
He knows to go to the hospital if he gets sick. Even if he ate a deadly mushroom, he will be fine if he gets help as soon as the symptoms start.
I have class in the morning, and its almost 3:00 AM I'm going to bed.
GTX, I hope you will remember to properly identify your mushrooms in the future.
Good night Shroomery.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
#5473569 - 04/03/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are truely crazy dudes . don't do it again if you get lucky and live past this one!
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: gtx]
#5473571 - 04/03/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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gtx said: im wondering if the spores were maybe inert somehow
The spores shouldn't have much to do with the problem! It's the mushroom itself that consists of most of the material anyway, so regardless of the spores, eating random stuff is dangerous.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: array]
#5473844 - 04/03/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then. Of course in this case, it is highly unlikely that gtx ate something with amatoxins (spring and in a cow pasture - amanitas and galerinas unlikely), but in general earlier treatment is better.
The best advice is don't eat mushrooms you're not sure about - and even if you are sure ALWAYS SAVE A SAMPLE in case something like this happens. Don't go eating your whole stash.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: xmush]
#5474604 - 04/03/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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This common idea of 'go to the hospital when symptoms start and you'll be fine' is absolute crap. For amatoxins, most of the damage has been done by then.
This is from the Emedicine website for amatoxins:
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Time of onset of symptoms Phalloidin causes gastrointestinal symptoms about 6-12 hours after ingestion.
Renal and liver toxicity caused by amanitin is evident 24-48 hours after ingestion
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic76.htm
As you can see, vomiting and diarrhea occur 12-18 hours before detectable liver damage. This gives a window for treatment in which a persons life can be saved. A person who waits until stage two of the poisoning is a goner.
It's not that I disagree with what you said. My advice was particular to this situation where the likelihood of amatoxin poisoning was very low. If someone suspects he has eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom, he should induce vomiting and seek medical attention immediately.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: shroomydan]
#5474700 - 04/03/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i hope you are fine, but what a poor, poor decision. for one, you can kill yourself. secondly, you make the rest of us look bad for doing such things. whatever. hope u r ok.
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: xmush]
#5474796 - 04/03/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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gtx, hopefully you've figured out that you got lucky. You should never eat any unidentified mushrooms. That you don't seem to have been poisoned is pure luck. Symptoms could still show up for 24 hours after ingestion (or even more in some cases). If you become ill, call the poison center (1-800-222-1222) and follow their advice.
xmush, you are absolutely correct when you say that the earlier the treatment the more effective it is. This assumes that immediate treatment is available. The standard procedure in most places in cases of this type (possible poisonings) is to contact the local poison center. After 2 hours, unless there is good reason to believe that a deadly (amatoxin containing) mushroom has been ingested, most poison centers recommend waiting to see if any symptoms develop. This is primarily because the likelihood of the individual having actually eaten a deadly mushroom is very low. Also, after 2 hours, treating the patient by emesis makes no significant difference in the outcome. Treatments will be based on symptoms, so a wait-and-see approach is reasonable.
shroomydan, the symptoms of the liver or kidney toxicity aren't evident until 12-24 hours after ingestion, but that's because it takes that long for symptoms of damage to those organs to show up. Various toxins produced normally by the body into the blood and filtered out by the liver and kidneys build up to levels high enough to create those symptoms.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Getting nervous pls add opinion [Re: astabooty]
#5474811 - 04/03/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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::sigh:: let me get my copy of the tibetan book of the dead. ill be reading it aloud just in case....
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