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WordlessNature
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Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown-
#5472081 - 04/02/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good evening. To follow up some earlier discussion as to what species of Panaeolus I stumbled upon some time ago- My last conclusion was that it may be P. retirugis. However, the identification was met with some dispute from an experienced hunter, much more seasoned than I... Therefore, I am back to square one it seems. Since it was suggested that it was probably P. sphinctrinus, I have collected a few of those along with a fresh specimen of the unlabeled Panaeolus in order to compare and contrast. In my opinion there is quite a disparity between the two, and although there is a 2000 foot elevation gap between the finds, that single variable does not seem sufficient to cause such an apparent difference within the same species.
 (^5 mushrooms on the left- first 4 are sphinctrinus, last is unknown)



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shroomydan
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Re: Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown- [Re: WordlessNature]
#5472146 - 04/02/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The three on the right appear to be three different species. I doubt any of them are Panaeolus. You should spore print them.
The five on the left are Panaeolus sphinctrinus / Panaeolus campanulatus complex. IDing to species beyond the complex is beyond my capabilities, or interests for that matter. It would be a purely academic pursuit. Though there are some reports of mushrooms in this complex being active, there are far mare reports of people eating massive quantities with no effects. They are generally considered to be inactive.
I'm not sure about the three middle specimens. Do they drop black spores?
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WordlessNature
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Re: Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown- [Re: shroomydan]
#5472185 - 04/02/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks... The only mushrooms I'm worried about are the five on the right, in this case. The other 6 are mushrooms I also picked today. Sorry, I should have specified... However, I think the middle 3 are panaeolina, followed by semiglobata, merdaria, and something I can't even guess at. Anyway, I'm just trying to compare the panaeolus species on the left in the first image, as indicated by the latter pictures...
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shroominDole
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Re: Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown- [Re: WordlessNature]
#5473051 - 04/03/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey Word.....you are an ambitious finder.....can def say that....only time for a quik reply.....but the two held in hand are on the left Pappilionaceus-Campanulatus-Sphinctrinus complex and to the right youve once again found Panaeolus retirugis.....more detailed reply is forthcoming on these mushrooms that might help clear things a little bit for you or muddle things further.....not sure which when time permits.....just wanted to add that all these shrooms in this group can all have forms varying stages that are at times identical to each other macroscopically(without a mic.)and pretty much impossible to tell apart......but not in this instance despite
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WordlessNature
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Re: Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown- [Re: shroominDole]
#5480142 - 04/04/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback, Dole. The retirugis patch is fruiting like crazy right now, so I have collected some more mature specimens. They have not started to crack yet, but the cap is beginning to show the classic signs of retirugis (at least according to what I have read...). No pictures yet; I'll take some when I get to my camera.
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Amanitrust
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Re: Comparison between P. Sphinctrinus and P. -Unknown- [Re: WordlessNature]
#5480864 - 04/04/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the potency of Panaeolus retirugis? What would be a common test dosage?
Peace.
-------------------- "He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know." - Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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