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UFC 59 - April 15th
    #5471689 - 04/02/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Predictions?


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: blink]
    #5471885 - 04/02/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My predictions:
Andrei by submission 1st round.

Tito Ortiz by TKO 2nd round [or maybe first].




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5471930 - 04/02/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I really want Forrest to win, he's a hell of a lot more charismatic than Tito, but yeah.... Tito's gonna clean up. He's got a hell of a lot more experience.

Andrei is going to clean up too,

Any opinion on Diaz?


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: blink]
    #5472533 - 04/02/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All fighter's stupid attitudes aside...

arlovski (of course, no competition in UFC)
probably ortiz
probably diaz
don't care
don't care
don't care
parisyan (has potential in my opinion)
yeah pride is better :smile:

still haven't watched bushido 10...i can't wait till this evening!
go hansen!

(and i'm more excited about pride's openweight tournament than ufc 59 but of course, being an mma fan i'll still watch ufc :P)


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5473828 - 04/03/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I voted for the guys with the coolest names.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5474064 - 04/03/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Tito is going to clobber him.

BoO-I'm just getting into mma, why the preference of Pride? Just curious.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Birthbytongue]
    #5474173 - 04/03/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just to clarify before explaining...these are my opinions, i'm sure some might disagree with what i say...

well first and foremost, there are better all round fighters from all over the world in pride. in ufc, the only real talent is in the light heavyweight (chuck liddel and not much else) and welterweight (matt hughes & st. pierre) classes. in pride, you've got the best heavyweight in the world (fedor emilianenko), if you were to match up arlovski and emilianenko it's no doubt that fedor would kick his ass. pride's got wanderlei silva in the light heavyweight division (possibly chuck liddel could be a good opponent - he's gotten better but who knows) and pride's got a good lightweight division which ufc doesn't have...at the moment takanori gomi is the belt holder..though there are other talented lightweights in pride such as hansen...

second, it's more interesting to watch - take for example, knees to the head and head stomps are allowed in pride..in UFC only elbows to the head are allowed, which arguably can lead to a boring watch cause of doctor stopages of matches due to cuts above the eye.

third, less corporate bullshit in pride...when you watch a pride event you don't have to sit there watching xyience and deoderate and shitty movie promotions. it's all about the fighting not the sponsorship.

in another thread skorpio had pasted a youtube.com link to some pride KOs..i suggest you watch that and judge for yourself which is more interesting..pride or ufc.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5474202 - 04/03/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gomi got choked out last night.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5474254 - 04/03/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just hate pride because it's in a ring and I feel like the octagon is a much more suitable arena for MMA. I really want griffin to take tito. I fuckin hate tito. He's such a punk. I also hate diaz. He's a punk too. They're both good fighter, I just hate their attitudes and love to see'm get their ass kicked. Other than that I could care less about the other fights. I'll still watch'm though.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: cookeman]
    #5474258 - 04/03/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't like Tito either but he is going to pound Forest bad.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5474303 - 04/03/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

he still holds the belt and that's his first lost in pride...otherwise, he's still a good fighter...just as how i think hansen has quite a big chance in getting hte belt in the next tournament

but i forgot to add...

with pride, they're having an open weight tournament in may. this being said, they don't have this in the UFC...depending on how they match up the fighters for hte open weight tournament...this opens up new possibilities with MMA...i can't wait


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5474316 - 04/03/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I still think Takanori rocks I just didn't think you'd heard yet.

I have a bad feeling the OWGP is going to be a chain wreck, I'd love to be proven wrong though.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5474457 - 04/03/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I for one think Arlovski would hand Fedor his ass.

Spose we'll just have to wait for that one.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: sucklesworth]
    #5474526 - 04/03/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know if Andre would win but I think it is a much more competitve fight then people make it out to be.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5474591 - 04/03/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no shit, gomi got choked out?

was it a tap or ref stopage?


also: I hate Ortiz and I hate Diaz, if only cause they're dicks.
I'd love to watch Diaz get fucking clobbered... didn't he sucker punch Triggs, not even in a fight?


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: blink]
    #5474651 - 04/03/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Saw the youtube link. Pride is better. period. Jesus those fucking head stomps rock. watching those KOs made me change underwear.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: blink]
    #5474933 - 04/03/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gomi actually went unconscious cause he didn't tap and then the ref jumped in.


Now I'm going to propose a controversial and radical theory of thought, okay here it goes.

Both Pride and UFC have their strong and weak points and it is impossible to definitively declare one superior to the other.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5474964 - 04/03/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Both Pride and UFC have their strong and weak points and it is impossible to definitively declare one superior to the other."

agreed

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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: sucklesworth]
    #5482427 - 04/05/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You know what, to be different, i hope Tim Sylvia wins. :lol:  Arlovski is most likely going to win this fight, but fuck them Russians, being champions in both Pride, and UFC. 

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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5482457 - 04/05/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was watching Rampage vs. Liddell last night at like, 3am. It was an old fight though. Feydor was on too. Kicked the shit out of same fat Jap.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5482917 - 04/05/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

arlovski is from belarus...


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: boO]
    #5482924 - 04/05/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

an now claims Chicago as his home

he's a man of the people....or some shit


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5483631 - 04/05/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pride has better fighters, no debating that.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5483970 - 04/05/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You know what, to be different, i hope Tim Sylvia wins. :lol:  Arlovski is most likely going to win this fight, but fuck them Russians, being champions in both Pride, and UFC. 

:box: Come on Tim





Would you dare a signature/avatar bet on that? I'll bet on Arlovski. Whoever wins, gets to choose the loser's avatar and signature - which must be worn by the loser for precisely two weeks.




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5484011 - 04/05/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Tito is going down... I don't really dig Forrest, but come on, Tito Ortiz isn't the fighter he used to be.

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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: spud]
    #5484041 - 04/05/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know. You could make an argument that Liddel and Franklin are top of their class and the welterweight division is stacked.

Pride defiantly has more depth on their roster.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: spud]
    #5485195 - 04/06/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No doubt Chuck got beat BAD by page and being a fan of both guys would love to see a rematch.

You know we could also throw some Belfort Silva and Tito Silva picks up there, hell even some Yoshida ones :wink:.

The thing I was getting at is that its not as A class B class as somke make out (heavyweight excepotion). I'd say both an Henderson and Franklin and Silva Chuck fights would be close and damn near toss up.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5485204 - 04/06/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That I wont argue with.

Pride also treats their fighters far better, and pays them much more.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: sucklesworth]
    #5485257 - 04/06/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I for one think Arlovski would hand Fedor his ass.

Spose we'll just have to wait for that one.





On what logical, rational grounds do you base such a prediction on? Mind you, I certainly don't think that Arlovski would be a push-over for Fedor. Not at all.

But hell, in no way, would Arlovski hand FEDOR his ass. Look at what Fedor has accomplished, in contrast to what Arlovski has accomplished. Fedor has literally manhandled everything Pride has tossed in the ring with him, from the best grappler in the world to the most dangerous striker in the world. His record is 23-0-0 [barring the absurd loss to a cut on his forehead that should've ended in a NC - which he avenged in pure bloodshed later]. He has literally manhandled all the top competition Pride has tossed his way. Arlovski -although highly formidable- pales in comparison. This is why ole' lovski needs to get his ass to Pride. That's where the big boys play.

Sergei and Arlovski would be a much more suspenseful fight, IMO - although, I'd still give the edge to Sergei. I'd give the edge to Arlovski against CroCop, since Arlovski is adept in Sambo, whereas CroCop still remains weak in his groundgame. Come to think of it, Arlovski vs Aleksander Emelianenko would be a definite sight to see - probably moreso than any of the aforementioned matches.


Boo said: "Arlovski is from Belarus..."

But Belarus is -from what I've been told- already nearly identical to Russia on so many levels, it's almost hairsplitting to contrast the two.


A more accurate assertion would be that Eastern Europe seems to produce the best fighters in the HW division. Fedor, Aleks, Sergei, Arlovski, etc. Interesting trend.




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: spud]
    #5485260 - 04/06/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah, Pride actually has the descency to pay a salary that can enable full time training.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5485450 - 04/06/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sure belarus does deals with russia, was once a communist country due to russia and of course they speak russian...

but calling them russia is like calling americans...canadians :smile:


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5485581 - 04/06/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

he's faster

he's more powerful

and he's better on his feet in my opinion

its arguable until they step in the ring

any given day in either arena - remember that elvis homo vs sacaroba fight

member that hughes vs penn fight

hell heath herring had a chance after being obliterated for 9 minutes

what it boils down to is I think arlovski would win

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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5486631 - 04/06/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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You know what, to be different, i hope Tim Sylvia wins. :lol:  Arlovski is most likely going to win this fight, but fuck them Russians, being champions in both Pride, and UFC. 

:box: Come on Tim





Would you dare a signature/avatar bet on that? I'll bet on Arlovski. Whoever wins, gets to choose the loser's avatar and signature - which must be worn by the loser for precisely two weeks.





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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5487573 - 04/06/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

With the Shroomery as our witness, our deal is sealed.  :hehehe:




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5490554 - 04/07/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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With the Shroomery as our witness, our deal is sealed.  :hehehe:







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Re: UFC 59 - April 15th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5519288 - 04/15/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, its on tonight. Anyone going? Who's watching. I should be watching tonight.

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Re: UFC 59 - April 15th [Re: d33p]
    #5519677 - 04/15/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All you fucks slept on Tim Sylvia and look what happened. :headbanger: :faded:


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5520347 - 04/16/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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With the Shroomery as our witness, our deal is sealed.  :hehehe:








:uptosomething:

Now who did you say was going to win that fight? And didn't we have a bet too? :lol:  I am going to need a day or two to think of just what it is i want you to change it to.. But rest assured, it's going to be something FITTING this occasion..  :psychsplit:


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Re: UFC 59 - April 15th [Re: blink]
    #5531101 - 04/18/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That was a great match. But it was way to short. But i was happy who won. I liked both so who ever won i didnt care but it was a great match.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5532633 - 04/19/06 07:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: sucklesworth]
    #5532834 - 04/19/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

forrest got robbed and so did orlovski, they shouldnt have stopped the fight i thoguht that was bullshit.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Hamstercut]
    #5542244 - 04/21/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

After waiting for quite some time now, I've decided I will give Mr. S until the 28th of this month to furnish the products as stated in our agreement - and only Mr. S can fulfill this task, not anyone else.




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5543275 - 04/22/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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After waiting for quite some time now, I've decided I will give Mr. S until the 28th of this month to furnish the products as stated in our agreement - and only Mr. S can fulfill this task, not anyone else.







Jesus, i go on vacation and forget all about our bet.:lol:  You know i would forgot about this, but seeing you were nice enough to remind me, and i have only 6 days left till it's null and void, what should i choose? .. Think i will keep you waiting just a couple more days.  :uptosomething:


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5547385 - 04/23/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You might consider enlisting the help of OTD. Some in there seem to find images that could make Terri Schiavo retch. Even now.


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5556134 - 04/25/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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After waiting for quite some time now, I've decided I will give Mr. S until the 28th of this month to furnish the products as stated in our agreement - and only Mr. S can fulfill this task, not anyone else.





avatar -

signature [centered] I tested it and know that its not too large -



Two weeks starts whenever you put them up!! :uptosomething:

(props to electrode for the straight raunchy ass pics :cool:)


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5556228 - 04/25/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:rotfl:

Bet you any amount of money he bitches out.


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You know what, to be different, i hope Tim Sylvia wins. :lol:  Arlovski is most likely going to win this fight, but fuck them Russians, being champions in both Pride, and UFC. 

:box: Come on Tim





Would you dare a signature/avatar bet on that? I'll bet on Arlovski. Whoever wins, gets to choose the loser's avatar and signature - which must be worn by the loser for precisely two weeks.





:uptosomething:  You know what i am a good sport. You're on.  :thumbup:




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With the Shroomery as our witness, our deal is sealed.  :hehehe:






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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5557408 - 04/26/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what a great sig

:lol:


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: Noetical]
    #5598080 - 05/06/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, Mr. S, evidently my sig/avatar caught the attention of an admin [Anno], and demanded that I take them down as they are in conflict with the general rules and parameters here on this board. So, unfortunately, I will have to cut our bet short. I carried it out for as long as I can, and in the end, I learned a few interesting things about a few other people, and had many good laughs.

Perhaps next time, we can bet "shroomery-money".




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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5627694 - 05/14/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: you honored the bet good enough, and you were a man of your word.. I know the two weeks were up Thursday, but i wanted to give you props. Not alot of people would have tagged that raunchy ass shit to their name....


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: MrSinister]
    #5629005 - 05/14/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well I cant wait till Matt Hughes fights Royce Gracie man... Hughes is gonna dominate


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Re: UFC 59 - April 16th [Re: sucklesworth]
    #5693099 - 05/30/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You_Suck said:
he's faster

he's more powerful

and he's better on his feet in my opinion

its arguable until they step in the ring

any given day in either arena - remember that elvis homo vs sacaroba fight

member that hughes vs penn fight

hell heath herring had a chance after being obliterated for 9 minutes

what it boils down to is I think arlovski would win

sue me





i'll let you keep that opinion, but i'll state why i think otherwise.


Simply, fedor has beaten the best in the world in his division. And the manner in which he has beaten those fighters is also somewhat remarkable. He grappled with Antonio ROdrigo Nogueira, who was a two time BJJ world champion, and submitted many MANY strong opponents. Yet Fedor saw all of his submissions coming, countered before Nogueira could lock in a submission, and delivered many heavy shots from within Nog's full guard.

When Fedor fought Cro-Cop, one of the best kickboxers in the world (look at his k-1 accomplishments), he didn't go for takedowns. He stood there and boxed with cro cop for the majority of the 3 rounds. And he again faired better than the world class kickbozer on the feet. Not only in aggression, but landing more shots, taking controll of the center of the ring, etc.


Arlovski really hasn't beaten any strong opponents. Tim Sylvia, that's about it. His other wins in the UFC have been against Cabbage (who Tank Abbott would later KO), Mutseyenko (undersized, VERY undersized), Ian Freeman (perenial B level fighter), Paul Buentello (another perenial B level fighter with minimal accomplishments), and Justin Eilers (had KO loss to Buentello).

Arlovski's ground game really isn't that strong either. He was a JUNIOR sambo champion, a title he won before he was 16. Compare that to Fedor, who was a 4- time national Russian Sambo champion, along with a multiple Comabt Sambo champion, which is even more pretigious and elite than the national sambo league.

As for saying who is stronger and faster, it's really impossible to determine, although it's clear to me Arlosvki doesn't have a strong chin, while Fedor has taken all kinds of shots, slams, kicks, and kept perservering.

at this point, Arlovski isn't anywhere near the same level as Fedor. If you don't believe me go look at world rankings from websites all over the internet.


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