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Cykon
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: ssjwizard]
#5472513 - 04/02/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your dog will enojy you tripping, and you will enjoy him sober. Otherwise ur dosing an unsuspecting animal which is not good for it, or you. Trus me, when ur trippin and hes sober itll be awesome. Dogs get all happy.
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: Cykon]
#5473192 - 04/03/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the dog wont have any tauma he'll disregard it as a dream.. just a nightmare only diffferenc e is your dog i s gonna be scared as hell for 6 hrs. and will prolly get violent.. so dont ...also dont be stupid.. why dose a dog.. thats wastiing a hit
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shneck
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: leafing]
#5474585 - 04/03/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"The chemical analysis of this mushroom material was effected in the Pharmaceutical Chemical Research Laboratories of Sandoz Ltd. in Basle by A. Hofmann and collaborators. The mushroom extracts were first tested on animals. Studies were made of pupillary reaction and of piloerection in mice and of general behaviour in dogs. The results were not clear-cut and led to disagreement in the evaluation of the various extract fractions. After most of the very rare and valuable material (or rather the extract) had been given to the animals without effect, there was some doubt as to whether the mushrooms cultivated and dried in Paris were still active. A personal trial by the author of this article settled this fundamental point. He ate thirty-two dried specimens of Psilocybe mexicana weighing 2.4 g, a medium dose by Indian standards. The mushrooms exerted a marked psychotomimetic effect..."
It's good to care about animals, especially about dogs. Yet, why so many people tend to construct this weird logical chain: "mushrooms - dogs (cats, etc.) - poor animal suffering - you are a bad boy"?
Every one of us has had their first time, and mushroom experience proved to be something most of us could not even imagine, notwithstanding how much one could have read about it before. Most of us were, so to say, absolutely unprepared in the face of the cosmic trip in psilocybin shuttle. Imagine someone theoresizing: "Newbies should not be given opportunity to try it, they are absolutely unprepared, they will have a nightmare trip, and everyone who encourages mushroom use/cultivation are cruel bastards. This knowledge is dangerous and should be kept secret and only available to the chosen few, amen".
What is all this shit about?
My dog has not tried shrooms (yet), but he's an MJ addict for 2 years now, and he's the happiest bastard I know at that (healthy as well - 1st prize in our city dog show 2005).
IMHO, this attitude just sucks big time: "Well, I am in position to shroom 'cause I'm mentally rock solid/experienced psychonaut/local medicine man/acknowledged guru on the block/etc., as for others, they need to take care 'cause they will definitely fuck up/suffer/kill themselves/just have bad time".
Shrooms, weed or cacti are for everyone not just for the selected few. Moderation is a must, but it should not be mixed with parental "Big Brother" attitude.
Just my opinion. Don't get too anxious about it at once, give it a thought first.
Peace.
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Jaeger
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: shneck]
#5474734 - 04/03/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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But you know that something is going to happen. Even Noobs know something is going to happen if they eat this stuff. Dogs have no idea, just looks like food to them. Then all of the sudden, they can't think straight, the world is doing wierd things. Very tramatic.
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shneck
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: Jaeger]
#5474943 - 04/03/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Still, can't completely agree with you, Jaeger. In one of Grof's books, he touches upon LSD effect on rats, spiders, cats, dogs and chimps. No panic behaviour, anxiety, or else even on highest doses. Spiders' nets become either unwordly symmetric and intricate, or (on HIGH dose) formless and ragged; cats lie in the corner and just stare around, dogs run around very happy and try catching non-existing flies.
LSD-effects are quite close to shrooms. What's so traumatic here?
Anywhere, I may be profoundly wrong, yet I still believe we can't decide for others, be they humans, dogs, flies or trees. If a dog eats the goodies, let him decide if he liked it or not by hisself.
The wheel of karma is a serious business, mate, whatever is meant to happen, will happen this way or another. If this dog was meant to trip, he has to trip, like those of us who were meant to trip eventually did it, and now we plant our asses in front of the monitors all over the globe and browse through this forum. While millions of others get crazy about other stuff like sports, cars, music, postal stamps, hot babes or stock exchange latest rates.
And what is so traumatic about us? Imagine, you missed this first trip of yours and never tried any psychedelic in your life?
Looks like this situation is much more traumatic, isn't it?
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Asante
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: shneck]
#5475551 - 04/03/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have seen footage of animals being freaked to the max by LSD and know from Grof and other sources that dosing without knowledge or consent is psychologically hazardous. The CIA and Edgewood Arsenal did dosing experiments with disastrous consequences.
There is an IMMENSE difference between someone who knowingly takes "a drug" and a doggie who expects to be given a treat.
I'm all for getting a big dog acquainted with a modest amount of beer once in a while. Or perhaps marijuana. These are pacifying things he'll understand and choose to imbide in or avoid. There's no cruelty to animals in that. But not psychedelics, everyone who ever had a DIRE bad trip knows why.
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: Asante]
#5475645 - 04/03/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't dose a dog. It's cruel. If someone were to dose you and you had no idea of what was going on, it could prove to be a scary life scarring experience. I doubt it would disregard the situation as a dream. He will be wimpering and upset, possibly violent. Talk about a good way to ruining YOUR trip.
Also dogs have very acute sensory levels. They have the ability to smell/hear at 200 times a humans ability. I wouldn't be too sure of what it could do to him/her.
I did end up tripping with my dog back in high school. One of my first times taking acid and one of the most memorable. My dog of course was not tripping, but sober. Still in his own right he sure was amusing. My friend and I were just hanging in my basement when we started to feel the cid kicking in... the tingle of the neck... the dreamlike visions... when we started to hear something... "heh, heh, heh, heh, heh" We weren't sure what it was, we just ended up looking at each other. Then, we went towards the sound. Up at the top of the steps was my black lab, looking downstairs laughing at us! We both realized he was probably panting but his face was morphing to the point where he had his tongue out and smile curling around his lips... just laughing. I can still hear/see him and it keeps me laughing to this day. Dogs seem to be somewhat interested in what's going on when one trips. There is a connection, a bond, closer than usual.
He died last year, but I am still glad I never gave him acid. That would be unpredictable. Not that it hasn't crossed my mind I have given him bubble hash to chew on, he basically just fell asleep, what a waste
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Edited by grimR (04/03/06 05:24 PM)
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Jimmyjazz
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: gdman]
#21391867 - 03/11/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know if you are giving dogs enough credit. It all depends on your dog. If the dog is intelligent and not prone to anxiety, then by all means give him a bit. BUT just a bit, as no one can understand seriously trippin balls (not even humans). Then hang out with your dog, and go outside. Like all day be outside with your dog. Some dogs have a goofy fun time. If it is a small breed don't. Thier minds are all fucked anyway since canines are not meant to be that size or shape. Also any pure breed will probably not have a good experience because of the same reason. I have worked with dogs specifically for years now, and they are beings all the same as us.
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: Jimmyjazz]
#21392928 - 03/11/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jimmyjazz said: I don't know if you are giving dogs enough credit. It all depends on your dog. If the dog is intelligent and not prone to anxiety, then by all means give him a bit. BUT just a bit, as no one can understand seriously trippin balls (not even humans). Then hang out with your dog, and go outside. Like all day be outside with your dog. Some dogs have a goofy fun time. If it is a small breed don't. Thier minds are all fucked anyway since canines are not meant to be that size or shape. Also any pure breed will probably not have a good experience because of the same reason. I have worked with dogs specifically for years now, and they are beings all the same as us.
Dude, this is an 8 year old troll thread.. And are you seriously advocating that its okay to give shrooms to a dog? How foolish.
Edit: fixed a typo.
Edited by ak47myth (03/11/15 01:42 PM)
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: ak47myth]
#21393295 - 03/11/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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My dog used to love getting drunk.  No one was forcing him to drink beer, he did that all on his own.
I would occasionally get him high, I think he liked that, too. Would always get all lovey-dovey on me and cuddle puddle galore.
Mushrooms, I don't know. In a safe set and setting, maybe. Definitely wouldn't use him or her as a guinea pig though.
Maybe once or twice. I know it's frowned upon, here, but whatever... Just take care of your pet as you would a child and everything going to be okay.
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SAM HARRIS ~ DRUGS AND THE MEANING OF LIFE.
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He would probably get scared, I think it's a bad idea. If you do, make sure they're not harmfull, do your research.
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Jimmyjazz
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: ak47myth]
#21401523 - 03/13/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am in veterinary medicine. it should be noted though, if the amount you plan to give can be detected by a scale, it is too much. yes the thread is old...that is true
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Re: TRIPPING WITH MY DOG [Re: lga0302]
#21401542 - 03/13/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Keep the dog sober so he can talk you down. In case of a bad trip.
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