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Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket
    #5466642 - 04/01/06 06:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So what exactly is the situation with acid, is someone else making it or is it still acid kings left overs that we see from time to time?

Mind you there is a considerable difference in acid supply between north and south hemispheres. For instance in the recent LSD threat its all canada and US, but there seems quite a bit of cid flowing at the moment in australia and asia, and theres not a word about it. I need to some facts

The question is where does it come from? I wonna know, someone hinted a while ago that it comes from eastern europe and continental russia... what they doing there they got poor sub population with underpaid social service workers in universities and schools with lab space. Also they aparently have companies that produce ergot and that are not online, and not very famous at all.

If its true then we need to rethink our entire situation. Ive got lots of friends in RUssia and i might just visit them one day so we could all get together and make some cid.

Is it true they got 'offline' companies that sell ergot?


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Re: LSD: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5466651 - 04/01/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i have gotten acid from russia , russia is not far away from here, good neighboors :smile:


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Re: LSD: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: giz]
    #5466669 - 04/01/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ET is available overseas, if you know the right people for the right reasons, and they share your world view.

It can be used as a migrane treatment.

There will always be those that will risk all to get it out there.... local dry spots are not their primary concern


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Re: LSD: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: blink]
    #5467080 - 04/01/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Im gonna go see my friends in continental russia then see if we can bribe some pharmacists and get couple kilos of ET


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467097 - 04/01/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, I can't believe this thread.

You should just relax and the acid might find you easier. It is only harder when you look.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: mecreateme]
    #5467181 - 04/01/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah i might see it once a year...and thats if i decide to go to a outdoor show or something.

so i wouldent say its everywhere...this whole fucking state has been dry since the pickard bust....a state that would munch away...that needs to munch away at that.

Many here are done with LSD....but there is a whole new generation out there that needs it...i can see the difference..its not pretty


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Vulture]
    #5467253 - 04/01/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"onestly, I can't believe this thread.

You should just relax and the acid might find you easier. It is only harder when you look."

edit : point taken


Edited by Ewok (04/01/06 12:27 PM)


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467345 - 04/01/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

or MAYBE...you dont know how to talk about drugs on the internet


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467355 - 04/01/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dealing and making LSD are 2 totally different things.

do you really think you could make LSD if you got the ET?

not unless you have a place to cook with all the right glassware and lab equipment
and a degree.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: joe666]
    #5467369 - 04/01/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

or MAYBE...you dont know how to talk about drugs on the internet




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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5467374 - 04/01/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nah i can find someone whos got MSs in organic chmestry and got a nice chemistry set. Its the ET that i need first of all


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467388 - 04/01/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

btw guys did you know that the instructions on actually HOW TO MAKE FREAKING ACID MAYBE LOST , How i tell you freaking how.

Acid King and and others they PASSSED down acid makiing knowledge, theyliterally tought step by step by their disciples, if you got a degree its not really enough on how to make cid, there some books on the subject but none describe it in perfect step by step way

WHat im saying that now that the old cooks retired we might loose acid making skills


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467430 - 04/01/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467431 - 04/01/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No we won't.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467444 - 04/01/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5467547 - 04/01/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ewok said:
btw guys did you know that the instructions on actually HOW TO MAKE FREAKING ACID MAYBE LOST , How i tell you freaking how.

Acid King and and others they PASSSED down acid makiing knowledge, theyliterally tought step by step by their disciples, if you got a degree its not really enough on how to make cid, there some books on the subject but none describe it in perfect step by step way

WHat im saying that now that the old cooks retired we might loose acid making skills




The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
    #5467579 - 04/01/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know why people call instructions for a sythesis recipes. It somehow makes it sound like its just like baking a cake or someshit. Is recipe really what the professional chemists call it?


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5470726 - 04/02/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

cause organic synthesis is a lot like cooking in a way


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5470827 - 04/02/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't know why people call instructions for a sythesis recipes. It somehow makes it sound like its just like baking a cake or someshit. Is recipe really what the professional chemists call it?




Chemistry is indeed much like baking a cake. Alexander Shoulgun himself talks of the many recipes he himself has created.

Just like baking a cake. You start out with the basics. Then you add this and heat that and bind this and so on and so fourth.

Recipe is what it is a recipe! Ingrediants with directions.

Food is chemistry! LSD is food for your brain.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
    #5470828 - 04/02/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

chinacat72 said:
Quote:

Ewok said:
btw guys did you know that the instructions on actually HOW TO MAKE FREAKING ACID MAYBE LOST , How i tell you freaking how.

Acid King and and others they PASSSED down acid makiing knowledge, theyliterally tought step by step by their disciples, if you got a degree its not really enough on how to make cid, there some books on the subject but none describe it in perfect step by step way

WHat im saying that now that the old cooks retired we might loose acid making skills




The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.




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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5470907 - 04/02/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I still disagree with the terminology. It gives ignorant people the wrong impression. Organic synthesis is infact alot more complex and tedious with much more attention to detail then any baking could ever be. Half these stoners considering trying this probably forget the frozen pizza in the oven.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5470922 - 04/02/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

drug synthesis is currently being used as a means for eastern bloc warlords to fund their ethnic cleansing campaigns. 

peace pot and microdot :thumbup:

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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
    #5473523 - 04/03/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.




Ok ok so we have the recipes.

Have we got supply of ET tho? Chinacat did you hear anything about pharmacetical compnaies that are not online selling ergot in eastern Europe?


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5473544 - 04/03/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm afraid if I comment on the content of this thread I will be banned again


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
    #5473551 - 04/03/06 04:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

say something


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5473556 - 04/03/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
    #5473684 - 04/03/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What? I thought we were having A mild discussion on modern day situation with LSD precursors.

Ok lets not talk about location tho


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5473947 - 04/03/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can someone please give me an up to date info on ergot and whats been happening to it since acid kings bust?


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5473974 - 04/03/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is just getting weird now

its like when your tripping and looking around at faces not knowing what is gonna happen but all you do know is to get the fuck out


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
    #5476110 - 04/03/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Have we got supply of ET tho?




This has been addressed before so I'll be brief:

1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye
2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot
3..extract the crude ergotamides
4..use the ergotamides as a starting point for the TiHKAL LSD synthesis
5..divide into dosage units

Its that simple. And plenty of people doing it too. There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.

That LSD synthesis is so very hard is an urban legend. Its from the time when you had to fiddle with hydrazine, nitrous acid, azide intermediates and iso-LSD under a nitrogen atmosphere. You don't need that anymore, that was the original Sandoz method and it is obsolete.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Asante]
    #5478066 - 04/04/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye
2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot
3..extract the crude ergotamides

WTF are you saying cultivate erogt like shroom spores in agar? That is not very practical, i doubt its even possible



There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.

That is your answer to the acid dilema we ve been having? I donno


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Meatballs]
    #5478076 - 04/04/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye
2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot
3..extract the crude ergotamides

WTF are you saying cultivate erogt like shroom spores in agar? That is not very practical, i doubt its even possible



There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.

That is your answer to the acid dilema we ve been having? I donno




wiccans statement is entirely accurate.


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: sui]
    #5478094 - 04/04/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I thought puppets were not allowed

someone needs to run the puppet tracker on meatball


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
    #5478106 - 04/04/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye
2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot
3..extract the crude ergotamides

If thats true have you got a link tek?


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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
    #5478111 - 04/04/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.




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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Meatballs]
    #5478119 - 04/04/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Unless you know what you're doing you really don't want to fuck around with ergot. And you will not be able to make LSD from a TEK.


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    #5478180 - 04/04/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)


The Culture and Extraction of Ergot Alkaloids

Sucrose .................................... 100 g
Chick pea meal .............................. 50 g
Calcium nitrate .............................. 1 g
Monopotassium phosphate ...................... 250 mg
Magnesium sulphate ........................... 250 mg
Potassium chloride ........................... 125 mg
Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate ................ 8.34 mg
Zinc sulphate heptahydrate ................... 3.44 mg

Make up a culture medium by combining the following ingredients in about 500 milliliters of distilled water in a 2 liter, small-neck flask:

Add water to make up one liter, adjust pH 4 with ammonia solution and citric acid. Sterile by autoclaving.

Inoculate the sterilized medium with Claviceps purpurea under sterile conditions, stopper with sterilized cotton and incubate for two weeks periodically testing and maintaining pH 4. After two weeks a surface culture will be seen on the medium. Large-scale production of the fungus can now begin.

Obtain several ordinary 1 gallon jugs. Place a two-hole stopper in the necks of the jugs. Fit a short (6 inch) glass tube in one hole, leaving 2 inches above the stopper. Fit a short rubber tube to this. Fill a small (500 milliliter) Erlenmeyer flask with a dilute solution of sodium hypochlorite, and extend a glass tube from the rubber tube so the end is immersed in the hypochlorite. Fit a long, glass tube in the other stopper hole. It must reach near the bottom of the jug and have about two inches showing above the stopper. Attach a rubber tube to the glass tube as short or as long as desired, and fit a short glass tube to the end of the rubber tube. Fill a large, glass tube (1 inch x 6 inches) with sterile cotton and fit 1-hole stoppers in the ends. Fit the small, glass tube in end of the rubber tube into 1 stopper of the large tube. Fit another small glass tube in the other stopper. A rubber tube is connected to this and attached to a small air pump obtained from a tropical fish supply store. You now have a set-up for pumping air from the pump, through the cotton filter, down the long glass tube in the jug, through the solution to the air space in the top of the jug, through the short glass tube, down to the bottom of the Erlenmeyer flask and up through the sodium hypochlorite solution into the atmosphere. With this aeration equipment you can assure a supply of clean air to the Claviceps purpurea fungus while maintaining a sterile atmosphere inside the solution.

Dismantle the aerators. Place all the glass tubes, rubber tubes, stoppers and cotton in a paper bag, seal tight with wire staples and sterilize in an autoclave.

Fill the 1-gallon jugs 2/3 to 3/4 full with the culture medium and autoclave.

While these things are being sterilized, homogenize in a blender the culture already obtained and use it to inoculate the media in the gallon jugs. The blender must be sterile. Everything must be sterile.

Assemble the aerators. Start the pumps. A slow bubbling in each jug will provide enough oxygen to the cultures. A single pump can, of course, be connected to several filters.

Let everything sit a room temperature (25?C) in a fairly dark place (never expose ergot alkaloids to bright light - they decompose) for a period of ten days.

After ten days adjust the culture to 1% ethanol using 95% ethanol under sterile conditions. Maintain growth for another two weeks.

After total of 24 days growth period the culture should be considered mature. Make the culture acidic with tartaric acid and homogenize in a blender for one hour.

Adjust to pH 9 with ammonium hydroxide and extract with benzene or chloroform/iso-butanol mixture.

Extract again with alcoholic tartaric acid and evaporate in a vacuum to dryness. The dry material in the salt (i.e., the tartaric acid salt, the tartrate) of the ergot alkaloids, and is stored in this form because the free basic material is too unstable and decomposes readily in the presence of light, heat, moisture and air.

To recover the free base for extraction of the amide of synthesis to LSD, make the tartrate basic with ammonia to pH 9, extract with chloroform and evaporate in vacuo.

If no source of pure Claviceps purpurea fungus can be found, it may be necessary to make a field trip to obtain the ergot growths from rye or other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the best choice. The ergot will appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are and are referred to as "heads of ergot." From these heads of ergot sprout the Claviceps purpurea fungi. They have long steams with bulbous heads when seen under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture media. The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures.



I need more , i want to see those 3 steps from another point of view


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