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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5470907 - 04/02/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I still disagree with the terminology. It gives ignorant people the wrong impression. Organic synthesis is infact alot more complex and tedious with much more attention to detail then any baking could ever be. Half these stoners considering trying this probably forget the frozen pizza in the oven.
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5470922 - 04/02/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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drug synthesis is currently being used as a means for eastern bloc warlords to fund their ethnic cleansing campaigns.
peace pot and microdot 
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
#5473523 - 04/03/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.
Ok ok so we have the recipes.
Have we got supply of ET tho? Chinacat did you hear anything about pharmacetical compnaies that are not online selling ergot in eastern Europe?
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5473544 - 04/03/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm afraid if I comment on the content of this thread I will be banned again
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
#5473551 - 04/03/06 04:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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say something
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5473556 - 04/03/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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something
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
#5473684 - 04/03/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What? I thought we were having A mild discussion on modern day situation with LSD precursors.
Ok lets not talk about location tho
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5473947 - 04/03/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can someone please give me an up to date info on ergot and whats been happening to it since acid kings bust?
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5473974 - 04/03/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is just getting weird now
its like when your tripping and looking around at faces not knowing what is gonna happen but all you do know is to get the fuck out
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#5476110 - 04/03/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Have we got supply of ET tho?
This has been addressed before so I'll be brief:
1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye 2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot 3..extract the crude ergotamides 4..use the ergotamides as a starting point for the TiHKAL LSD synthesis 5..divide into dosage units
Its that simple. And plenty of people doing it too. There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.
That LSD synthesis is so very hard is an urban legend. Its from the time when you had to fiddle with hydrazine, nitrous acid, azide intermediates and iso-LSD under a nitrogen atmosphere. You don't need that anymore, that was the original Sandoz method and it is obsolete.
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Asante]
#5478066 - 04/04/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye 2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot 3..extract the crude ergotamides
WTF are you saying cultivate erogt like shroom spores in agar? That is not very practical, i doubt its even possible
There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.
That is your answer to the acid dilema we ve been having? I donno
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Meatballs]
#5478076 - 04/04/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Meatballs said: 1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye 2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot 3..extract the crude ergotamides
WTF are you saying cultivate erogt like shroom spores in agar? That is not very practical, i doubt its even possible
There is *lots* of LSD around but the demand is so much higher (way higher than in the 1960s) so the net result seems like a drought.
That is your answer to the acid dilema we ve been having? I donno
wiccans statement is entirely accurate.
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: sui]
#5478094 - 04/04/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought puppets were not allowed
someone needs to run the puppet tracker on meatball
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: goobler]
#5478106 - 04/04/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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1..obtain ergot sclerotia from a bag of organic rye 2..use these for a liquid broth culture of the ergot 3..extract the crude ergotamides
If thats true have you got a link tek?
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: chinacat72]
#5478111 - 04/04/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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chinacat72 said:
The recipes for making LSD are readily available to all. It's not that hard to find. The Thikal recipe is a very good one.
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Meatballs]
#5478119 - 04/04/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unless you know what you're doing you really don't want to fuck around with ergot. And you will not be able to make LSD from a TEK.
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: abrad84]
#5478180 - 04/04/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Culture and Extraction of Ergot Alkaloids
Sucrose .................................... 100 g Chick pea meal .............................. 50 g Calcium nitrate .............................. 1 g Monopotassium phosphate ...................... 250 mg Magnesium sulphate ........................... 250 mg Potassium chloride ........................... 125 mg Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate ................ 8.34 mg Zinc sulphate heptahydrate ................... 3.44 mg
Make up a culture medium by combining the following ingredients in about 500 milliliters of distilled water in a 2 liter, small-neck flask:
Add water to make up one liter, adjust pH 4 with ammonia solution and citric acid. Sterile by autoclaving.
Inoculate the sterilized medium with Claviceps purpurea under sterile conditions, stopper with sterilized cotton and incubate for two weeks periodically testing and maintaining pH 4. After two weeks a surface culture will be seen on the medium. Large-scale production of the fungus can now begin.
Obtain several ordinary 1 gallon jugs. Place a two-hole stopper in the necks of the jugs. Fit a short (6 inch) glass tube in one hole, leaving 2 inches above the stopper. Fit a short rubber tube to this. Fill a small (500 milliliter) Erlenmeyer flask with a dilute solution of sodium hypochlorite, and extend a glass tube from the rubber tube so the end is immersed in the hypochlorite. Fit a long, glass tube in the other stopper hole. It must reach near the bottom of the jug and have about two inches showing above the stopper. Attach a rubber tube to the glass tube as short or as long as desired, and fit a short glass tube to the end of the rubber tube. Fill a large, glass tube (1 inch x 6 inches) with sterile cotton and fit 1-hole stoppers in the ends. Fit the small, glass tube in end of the rubber tube into 1 stopper of the large tube. Fit another small glass tube in the other stopper. A rubber tube is connected to this and attached to a small air pump obtained from a tropical fish supply store. You now have a set-up for pumping air from the pump, through the cotton filter, down the long glass tube in the jug, through the solution to the air space in the top of the jug, through the short glass tube, down to the bottom of the Erlenmeyer flask and up through the sodium hypochlorite solution into the atmosphere. With this aeration equipment you can assure a supply of clean air to the Claviceps purpurea fungus while maintaining a sterile atmosphere inside the solution.
Dismantle the aerators. Place all the glass tubes, rubber tubes, stoppers and cotton in a paper bag, seal tight with wire staples and sterilize in an autoclave.
Fill the 1-gallon jugs 2/3 to 3/4 full with the culture medium and autoclave.
While these things are being sterilized, homogenize in a blender the culture already obtained and use it to inoculate the media in the gallon jugs. The blender must be sterile. Everything must be sterile.
Assemble the aerators. Start the pumps. A slow bubbling in each jug will provide enough oxygen to the cultures. A single pump can, of course, be connected to several filters.
Let everything sit a room temperature (25?C) in a fairly dark place (never expose ergot alkaloids to bright light - they decompose) for a period of ten days.
After ten days adjust the culture to 1% ethanol using 95% ethanol under sterile conditions. Maintain growth for another two weeks.
After total of 24 days growth period the culture should be considered mature. Make the culture acidic with tartaric acid and homogenize in a blender for one hour.
Adjust to pH 9 with ammonium hydroxide and extract with benzene or chloroform/iso-butanol mixture.
Extract again with alcoholic tartaric acid and evaporate in a vacuum to dryness. The dry material in the salt (i.e., the tartaric acid salt, the tartrate) of the ergot alkaloids, and is stored in this form because the free basic material is too unstable and decomposes readily in the presence of light, heat, moisture and air.
To recover the free base for extraction of the amide of synthesis to LSD, make the tartrate basic with ammonia to pH 9, extract with chloroform and evaporate in vacuo.
If no source of pure Claviceps purpurea fungus can be found, it may be necessary to make a field trip to obtain the ergot growths from rye or other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the best choice. The ergot will appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are and are referred to as "heads of ergot." From these heads of ergot sprout the Claviceps purpurea fungi. They have long steams with bulbous heads when seen under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture media. The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures.
I need more , i want to see those 3 steps from another point of view
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Re: Ergot & acid: Lets put all our nuts in one basket [Re: Jalruza]
#12313652 - 04/01/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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you guys should try going to erowid.com look at some stuff on there.
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