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Coltrane's LSD period
    #5465535 - 03/31/06 08:58 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Anyone else into late period Coltrane? Recently I've been groovin' on Kulu Se Mama and Expressions and it's amazing to me how similar his musical structure is to the LSD experience. It's a known fact that Coltrane was a regular LSD user and he used LSD for spiritual purposes and it's reflected in his music. It's also worth pointing out that Coltrane was in his late thirties when he got into acid. I'm so tired of reading bullshit from dumbass fans and critics about his music from that era as being 'out of control'. Fuck that! It's the best music ever made! Coltrane NEVER lost control. He practiced non-stop and was the KING of discipline. It's just people lack the intellectual power to follow along. It's time America (and the world)celebrated the fact that LSD was a useful tool in the spiritual and artistic quest of the greatest artist of the 20th century. By the way, if anyone has any good links or any info about Coltrane's LSD use I'd love to learn more about it. Linky linky please.


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5465563 - 03/31/06 09:11 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/ref/john_coltrane

this mention's His LSD use, scroll, about half way down.

check out this:
http://home.gwu.edu/~flota/coltrane.html

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: creamrocks]
    #5465684 - 03/31/06 10:14 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Trane is the fuckin man!!!!
pre LSD post LSD!!!!
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Re: Coltrane's LSD period *DELETED* [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #5465703 - 03/31/06 10:25 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465717 - 03/31/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Thats what makes fucking Jazz!!!
You can listenn too that shit a thousand times and get a thousand different takes, :heart:


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: chinacat72]
    #5465726 - 03/31/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

sunship just makes me dizzy and id rather listen to the dizzy gillespie quintet :P

oh and people who really like coltranes unique tone might want to check out Jerry Bergonzi who is a heavily trane influenced tenor

Edited by faslimy (03/31/06 10:36 PM)

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465734 - 03/31/06 10:36 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

It's all golden gravy my friend!!


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: chinacat72]
    #5465740 - 03/31/06 10:38 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

you into mingus?

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #5465743 - 03/31/06 10:39 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

"I perceived the interrelationship of all life forms"

This was his simple statment after LSD.
Though it speaks volumes in what is said and what cannot be said afte such a experiance.


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465750 - 03/31/06 10:41 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Jerry Bergonzi, im gonna have to check him out. all this talk about coltrane, think ill go smoke a bowl, and put on some coltrane. and call it a night..

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465751 - 03/31/06 10:41 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

faslimy said:
you into mingus?



is that a trick question?? :wink:

Mingus is the Boss


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: chinacat72]
    #5465758 - 03/31/06 10:44 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

word


i'm gonna put on Ah Um

better get it in yo soul :wink:

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5465800 - 03/31/06 11:02 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

I got the Vangaurd sessions cd set for free just for applying for a credit card a few years ago.


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465818 - 03/31/06 11:06 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

The sweet thing about Jazz!! is there is so fucking much to be heard!!
All they played in all those ways provides us with the untlimate legacay of what Jazz is!!!


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: chinacat72]
    #5465832 - 03/31/06 11:12 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

i hear ya, i've spent the last year discovering and exploring jazz music through soulseek (p2p program)

hard bop, latin jazz and gypsy swing are my favs. not too popular on boards like this though

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465842 - 03/31/06 11:17 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Swing on brother!! :heart:
wherever that tide swings you


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465895 - 03/31/06 11:39 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

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i liked coltrane when he was pumped up on heroin and cranking out giant steps, africa brass, blue trane and a love supreme. they always played the best while on heroin those jazz niggas, Charlie Parker for instance would be playing like shit, leave stage for a moment, come back and blow everyones mind.

after he quit the habt and 'found god' his music turned insane, and so did he. if the crazyness of Sunship is your thing then good for you but to me it sounds ridiculous




Bro, those are great records you mention. To me, the free is the logical and final next step. Free jazz had to happen.It's Coltrane's final records that took jazz to its limit and put the genre to rest. I believe that after he did what he did musically there was nothing left to be done. After Coltrane jazz either ignores him or imitates him and both are ultimately insufficient.

Anyway, it's totally cool that you like what you like and I know it sounds condescending and off-putting when someone tries to say what you should like. But still, smoke a bowl and try to put aside preconceptions of what music should sound like. Think of the free as the natural step after bebop. It's just improvisation taken to the next level using the same concepts of atonality that Schoenberg and Ives and the other 20th Century 'classical' guys used. Flip on Sunship with that frame of mind. I say that because if you love Giant Steps and so on, from the way I see it, it's already in your heart to love the post '65 stuff. You just gotta open up and let Coltrane take you there. Trust that there's a reason others love that stuff and find the beauty in it yourself. I promise it's worth it!

BTW, he definitely found God sometime before A Love Supreme.

Peace


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5465920 - 03/31/06 11:59 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

so, you recommend Kulu Se Mama and Expressions? never heard those before, really. I'll check them out.

Quote:

It's just improvisation taken to the next level using the same concepts of atonality that Schoenberg and Ives and the other 20th Century 'classical' guys used.




can you explain this further? thanks

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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: Vvellum]
    #5465959 - 04/01/06 12:20 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

When refrengininge(sp :grin:)to Trane it realy becomes appprent that this motherfucker was a pure master before and after he took LSD!!!


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Re: Coltrane's LSD period [Re: faslimy]
    #5465989 - 04/01/06 12:29 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

faslimy said:
better get it in yo soul :wink:




^^^^^^^^^^ basically explains jazz in my mind.

john scofield is going to play w/ phil & friends at bonnaroo :shocked: :smile:


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