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Abrainspot
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Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia
#5464573 - 03/31/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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In a few hours i plan on making a Kava drink - never tried it before, it was free with my online purchase so ill give it a try- then drink a few beers and take some HBWR seeds (Hawaiian). Im still not sure how many, maybe 15 or 20 (if someone thinks thats too much let me know). Then during my LSA peak i plan on smoking some 10x Saliva.
Good/bad combo? Anyone ever mix these? Comments/suggestions
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5464582 - 03/31/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude are you kidding me?????
LSA and beer sounds like one of the worst combinations ever
i would be puking my guts out all night
might wanna start off lower than 15-20 too
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might wanna go 4-8 hbwr seeds, 8 being a pretty strong dose probably but maybe not fully "psychedelic"
from what i've read, from my narrow perspective, 10 + puts you at risk for level 5 tripping........ you want to feel the seeds out to know how strong they are since its your first batch.
and yeah lsa = nausea. beer = nausea. lsa + beer = bad idea.
kava is kind of neat.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: leery11]
#5464617 - 03/31/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, depending on how potent the seeds are - 15-20 is a HELL of alot. I did 17 seeds on my 1st time, and my lord - probably one of the most intense and physically uncomfortable on the verge of dialing 911 I felt so close to death trips I have ever had.
Not that it was a bad trip, or a trip that I regret - and in the end, it turned into a VERY enjoyable expierence, but a very intense one - I had to go through total and utter hell before I reached heaven. In the end, it was worth it and I would do it again.
But just letting ya know, if the seeds are potent - there is a chance for a MUCH stronger trip than you had planned on.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: leery11]
#5464621 - 03/31/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah i was just checkin out Erowid, 15-20 seeds is a lot, thanks for the heads up guys.
How should i make the drink, soak them in water warm water, crush them up, shake the mix around, then drink? Is there a more efficient way besides extracting the LSA?
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5464633 - 03/31/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some people have had sucess with grinding them up and soaking them in white wine for 24 hours and claim it helped kill the naesua.
Its how I tried mine, and at 17 seeds - it didnt kill it, maybe it would at lower doses? *shrug*, a few other people tried it and said it worked.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: kaniz]
#5464639 - 03/31/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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u can get nausea from kava too. bad combo. both kavalactones; yangonin and kwaiin do the same thing as alcohol in a sense, and they work together to create the same effect on the same receptors. I wouldnt.
beer and kava or salvia and lsa. all in one sounds kinda wrong.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: kaniz]
#5464640 - 03/31/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I too think that if there was one hallucinogen you shouldnt mix with beer or alcohol is lsa. It would just feel like shit, am Im not saying it will make you sick to your stomach. Morning glory wine is a common preparation, but I wouldnt want any part of it.
Im sure lsa and salvia is interesting, and possibly a really good idea. Forget the alcohol though. Thats just my opinion.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: stemmer]
#5464873 - 03/31/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, so it sounds like Kava and Beer is outa the picture, thanks for the info. I bought some fresh ginger root for the nausea. So as for the preperation of the LSA, should i do this all tmrw night, or is it possible to prepare it within about an hour or 2? I read a trip report on Erowid about a kid who soaked it in warm water, then crushed them up, put back into the water and shook for a few mins; taking about 2 hours total. Then he just poured out the liquid and drank it
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5464935 - 03/31/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Id just eat them, but maybe thats just because they dont make me feel ill, just incredibly tripped out and very physically high.
I have never done anything but eaten them. Then again...shrooms would never make me feel sick(and I really enjoy the taste), and I never puked from using ayahuasca(la purga).
Maybe you should just chew them up really well, and use water and bread intermittently like I do(small amounts of bread, less than one piece of a loaf). It is indeed a shitty idea to let all those seeds just sit in one place within your stomach(then you will get sick). I will always suggest this method for people who really are apprehensive about feeling sick.
HBWR do make me sort of sick anywhere over 6 seeds, with the bread and water method, you shouldnt feel anything more than strange feelings in your stomach, compounded by the harsh feelings in your body, which would be expected from anything made from HBWR except a really good extract.
I am a fan of the most natural route, and I have never gotten sick even without the bread and water method. I enjoy the simple "chew the seads method", and I only weigh 160 pounds.
Edited by stemmer (03/31/06 05:58 PM)
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: stemmer]
#5464951 - 03/31/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So your sayin just chew up the dry seeds, i dont have to mix with water? Wouldnt that make the trip longer and not as intense cause the LSA is slowly being released?
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5464989 - 03/31/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you chew them up really well that is not much of an issue. But you hit the nail on the head there. It does last quite a bit longer and comes on slow. Its all relative though. This just makes it so you can eat more seeds and have an elongated trip.
So ya, at around the 2-2.5 hour mark you will be peaking. Depending on how many you eat this can be a very good thing. I would recommend this method in a second for those eating more than 10 good seeds.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: stemmer]
#5465065 - 03/31/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well i crushed 8 seeds up and put them in some warm water for a few minutes, mixed with some hawiian punch and drank
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5466940 - 04/01/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well last night wasnt much of a trip. I was atleast hopin for some visuals, nothin. I was very fatigued, clear minded, lights were brighter but not by a lot. I was planning on smokin salvia during my peak but i wasnt even trippin, there was nothing psychedelic about it. Tonite ill be doing some salvia tho.
Anyone ever get very tired off LSA? At some points i thought i was gonna pass out
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5466988 - 04/01/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes lastnight i just felt the overpowering urge to pass out and i had lucid dreams crazy.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: MrMolotov]
#5467631 - 04/01/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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alchohol bost your ego should not be done with chill shit. maybe eating the seeds with all the sugur in the hawian punch had an effect. that stuff has a powerfull effect on your body and mixing other stuff with it might have taken away for the experiance. energies that you dont think of because you are numb to them can really diminish any experanice chemical or non chemical. you should extract lsa and snort it to get the best results.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5477942 - 04/04/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've previously mixed lsa with alcohol in one of the best lsa trips of my life. I drank one beer on an empty stomach. then ate dinner at a chinese restaurant and 15 minutes later downed a lemonade extraction of 10g morning glory. I think lsa is best consumed after a meal. it eases a lot the digestion on your stomach. and If you consume it along with a cannabis joint you don't feel any nausea at all. I also don't like ingesting the seeds, powdered or chewed. the effects are much lighter on your body and much more sparkling in your mind if you make an extraction. last time I tried a very simple procedure that yielded magnificent results. I grind the seeds and put in a jar with the juice of one lemon and one orange. I shake vigorously and then left in the fridge for approximately 7 hours (24 hours would probably be the ideal). this liquid was then filtered discarding as much of the solid material as possible. eat some food and drink along with a joint. it won't fail.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: a_h_w]
#5478067 - 04/04/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahw- Thanks for the info dude. I still have 60+ HBWR seeds left, not sure when to trip again, ill give that a try tho. Im not much of a pot smoker anymore but the nausea wasnt that bad to begin with, i might just take some dramamine or somethin
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: Abrainspot]
#5478090 - 04/04/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The other night I had about 3 teaspoons of kava (straight into my mouth) and another 2 teaspoons piled onto a vodka/lemon drink. All it really did was make my whole face go numb.
Kava didnt seem to do much more than coffee.
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Re: Kava, Beer, LSA and Salvia [Re: indica]
#5478095 - 04/04/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah i tried Kava the other day. I blended 4 tablespoons +/- with some milk, then filtered it, added some herseys chocolate, didnt even finish it - was just like drinking some very strong coffee
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