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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Alex213]
    #5467120 - 04/01/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure if you were to write him a letter, and ask, he'd be more than willing to share the details of his thought process.


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: daimyo]
    #5467126 - 04/01/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

His thought process involved bases in Saudi Arabia and American hegemony. A complete and unnecessary bloodbath unless you removed Saddam in the first place.


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: bukkake]
    #5467865 - 04/01/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

alex213 stated:
Allawi said it. He wasn't prime minister under Saddam. He was prime minister after the invasion. The americans endorsed him.

You were in Iraq and you don't even know who Allawi was


You never told what prime minister you were referring to until now. If you are questioning my service to my country with the above sentence, proceed with caution. Unlike being feed the news through a feeding tube like yourself, (I take it you never have been to IRAQ, since you would not answer my question), I have been able to witness events firsthand and been able to come up with my own observations.



I am glad that we both share the 1st Amendment rights men have died for, so I can really see how stupid people are. There are many that don't have a stomach for war, and are in the bleachers yelling at all the things gone wrong. History will tell the real tale. But for some people, unless it cant be solved in 5 minutes like the microwave meals they desire.......well it must be bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5468651 - 04/01/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Most of the people who didn't want Saddam Hussein removed from power never lived under his tyranny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Luddite]
    #5468982 - 04/01/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Luddite]
    #5469722 - 04/02/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Come on Alex213, No rebuttal?


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5470031 - 04/02/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Come on Alex213, No rebuttal?



Give me a chance SirTrip.

You never told what prime minister you were referring to until now

I thought you'd have heard about it as it was headlines news 2 weeks ago.

If you are questioning my service to my country with the above sentence, proceed with caution.

No, I'm questioning your knowledge of Iraq.

I take it you never have been to IRAQ, since you would not answer my question

Iraq is an awful big place. Do you think you can get an in depth knowledge of the state of a country by visiting it with the US army?

Do you think the ex-prime minister of Iraq will know more about Iraq than you? Or less?

There are many that don't have a stomach for war

You call invading Iraq a "war"? Jeez, that's worse than Mussolini calling the invasion of Ethiopia a "war".

If you think this is "war" then you'd better pray that you never take on a country armed with anything more sophisticated than rocks. You wouldn't know what hit you.


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5470190 - 04/02/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think it is a grand and noble gesture for everyone who can afford it to personally help out those who have become victims of natural disasters. Armchair moralists may pontificate all they want about getting governments to donate, but the true measure of acts of compassion are those we take upon ourselves to engage in. There is no virtue in forcing someone else to acts of charity, it's really a position of moral cowardice. I urge everyone to donate to help out Muslims victimized by nature, preferably by funneling your donations through Christian charities.


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Autonomous]
    #5470425 - 04/02/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alex213 stated:

Iraq is an awful big place. Do you think you can get an in depth knowledge of the state of a country by visiting it with the US army?

Do you think the ex-prime minister of Iraq will know more about Iraq than you? Or less?


First of all I was not in the Army, I was in the Marines. Secondly, if this was headline news, you just proved my point. YOU rely on the alphabet channels for your news. Do you think you can make the most logical decision when you haven't EVEN BEEN THERE????


Alex213 stated:

You call invading Iraq a "war"? Jeez, that's worse than Mussolini calling the invasion of Ethiopia a "war".

If you think this is "war" then you'd better pray that you never take on a country armed with anything more sophisticated than rocks. You wouldn't know what hit you.


You have no concept of war, or military science. The reason why Iraq is the way it is, is because the enemy does not fight in conventional lines of ware fare. Just because they choose to fight similar to the Viet Chong, does not make it any less of a war. You need to brush up on your history or read some military literature before you can give an informed opinion on any type of armed conflict. The war in Iraq would be EASIER if they chose to fight with "rockets", we would exterminate them within 2 days, THAT IS WHY THEY USE GUERRILLA WARE FARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here agian you are showing a definite lack of understanding about the military, and history in general. The alphabet channels will do that to you.


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5470633 - 04/02/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

YOU rely on the alphabet channels for your news.

Well I'm relying on film of the ex-prime minister of Iraq - the man the americans felt best equipped to lead the country - saying it. That's not exactly a Fox news op-ed is it.

Do you think you can make the most logical decision when you haven't EVEN BEEN THERE????


Been there for how long and in what manner?

Do I think you had much of an insight into Iraq and Iraqi life by living with the marines in a military base stationed in Iraq for a brief period of time? No I don't.

The war in Iraq would be EASIER if they chose to fight with "rockets", we would exterminate them within 2 days

You're missing the point. Calling an invasion of Iraq by the US a "war" is like calling Mike Tyson versus Woody Allen a "fight". Don't dignify it by calling it "war".

The alphabet channels will do that to you.

Before you get too carried away with this, you should know that I've never seen any "alphabet channels".


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Alex213]
    #5471843 - 04/02/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My God were to start.

I wasn't on a base. When the peak of the war occurred, THERE WERE NO BASES. Here again you have NO knowledge on the subject matter.


For the record, I did two consecutive tours ( I let you figure that
one out)


Alex213 stated:

You're missing the point. Calling an invasion of Iraq by the US a "war" is like calling Mike Tyson versus Woody Allen a "fight". Don't dignify it by calling it "war


How about this? I will give you give a brief military science lesson, due to the fact you are ignorant.

Wars start with invasions. Weather it is a covert breach of a nations sovereignty or an overt territorial occupation, they start the same way. Show me a war in history that did not start with an invasion.............you fucking cant.

Since the enemy recognizes that conventional lines of warfare would decimate the entire insurgency, they choose to hit and run, using guerrilla warfare tactics. Just because you have one side with superior firepower does not mean the war is not a war.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5472535 - 04/02/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i dont even get what you all are arguing about. What are each of you trying to prove?


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Basilides]
    #5472555 - 04/02/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

St_Valentinus said:
Saddam Hussein was a murderous tyrant who launched an inquisition against anyone who questioned his government. End of argument




no, thats the end of your statement. what are you arguing? That that is alone enough reason to invade iraq? Before you take the moral highground and feel all warm and fuzzy in your stomach because america did such a good deed ask yourself why we arent stopping a genocide in darfur, or helping the aids epedemic in africa, or finding a cure for cancer or basically any other real moral act of kindness that would affect the world a whole lot more positively than an invasion of Iraq, if that is in fact what you think war in Iraq was about. Im so sick of people trying to justify one act of murder by another one. It would have taken Saddam the rest of his life in power and then some to kill the 20,000 iraqis that we have accidentaly killed since the invasion. Plus the economy would be better, you know what, Iraq as a country would be better, our country would be stronger, and the world as a whole would be safer. Do you think Saddam treated his people worse than Kim Jong Il? Theres no fucking way that is the case so that defeats your whole argument that "Saddam was such a bad man" The war in Iraq was for oil. "End of argument"


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5473230 - 04/03/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't on a base. When the peak of the war occurred, THERE WERE NO BASES. Here again you have NO knowledge on the subject matter.


Christ! Are you saying you havn't been in Iraq for 3 years? And you still claim to know what it's like? The insurgency hadn't even started 3 years ago.

Wars start with invasions

What about civil wars?

Show me a war in history that did not start with an invasion.............you fucking cant.



British civil war
American civil war
American declaration of war on Japan

Do you need me to go on?

Just because you have one side with superior firepower does not mean the war is not a war.

If you took on the Hari-Krishna's next would you consider that a war too?


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Alex213]
    #5473765 - 04/03/06 07:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alex213 stated:

British civil war
American civil war
American declaration of war on Japan


Thank you for proving my point once again, you have no concept of history or military science.

Do you even know what an invasion is? Here is a textbook definition:

Invasion is a military action consisting of troops entering a foreign land (a nation or territory, or part of that), often resulting in the invading power occupying the area, whether briefly or for a long period. Euphemistically, an invasion is sometimes referred to as an intervention.


If memory serves me right, the South seceded from the UNION!!!!!!! They were their own fucking country, thus, conventional lines of warfare were created!!!!!!!

Japan is a foreign nation!!!!

The British Civil war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

The wars inextricably mingled with and formed part of a linked series of conflicts and civil wars between 1639 and 1651 in the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland, which at that time shared a monarch but formed distinct countries with otherwise separate political structures


You are quite funny, since YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE. Any by the way, it was two years ago when the insurgency was beginning to take place, at which time I WAS STILL THERE. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper, I really enjoy this!!


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5473825 - 04/03/06 08:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Invasion is a military action consisting of troops entering a foreign land

Are you trying to say the south was a foreign land?

Japan is a foreign nation!!!!

And what part of america did they invade? Remind me.

The British Civil war:


The term English Civil War (or Wars) refers to the series of armed conflicts and political machinations which took place between English Parliamentarians and Royalists from 1642 until 1651.

Now which foriegn land did the english parliamentarians/royalists invade?

You are quite funny

I have my moments.

YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE

I spent two weeks in Florida once. Do you think that makes me an expert on America?

I really enjoy this!!

You don't think it's getting a little silly?


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Alex213]
    #5473942 - 04/03/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alex213 stated:

Are you trying to say the south was a foreign land?

They seceded from the Union, had their own president by the name of Jefferson Davis, foreign governments did recognize them. NO FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!


Alex213 stated:

And what part of america did they invade? Remind me.


Their airspace, when we dropped the bomb. My God, must I tell you everything???

Alex213 stated:I spent two weeks in Florida once. Do you think that makes me an expert on America?

I did two tours. TWO years. Not 2 weeks. I am not an expert on everything Iraq, however I have seen progress with my own eyes, unlike yourself. You are a third rate to the news reported.



Alex213 stated: Now which foriegn land did the english parliamentarians/royalists invade?

The last part you need to read, and think.....

"which at that time shared a monarch but formed distinct countries with otherwise separate political structures"

Although England's imperialism branded a flag on their acquired countries, the people within them (like Scotland and Ireland) still thought of themselves as independent of that rule and maintained their respective cultures as best they could. England led an INVASION TO START OF THIS CONFLICT!!!!!!!!!!


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5473976 - 04/03/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Forgot to add, the below link

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/downfall.html

America was also scheduled for a landfall invasion.......


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5474083 - 04/03/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Easy on the flames, everybody. Debate the topic, not each other.

This is a generic "reply to last post" and is not directed at any single person.


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Re: Quakes Rock Iran [Re: Seuss]
    #5474232 - 04/03/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

actually the japanese invaded the aleutian islands and held a couple of them for a some years. it was the only time that a foreign army ever held american land.


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