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cloned
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A call to arms
#5462703 - 03/31/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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edit: corrected some typos Edit: I don't mean to patronize(I needed to look up the meaning of the word from dictionary ) anyone, I simply don't know what they teach you in schools, of your country. So I cant know if my short history lesson is necessary or not.
I have gotten a picture that most of the members here are from the USA, and I don't know what they have taught you about the status of Germany before the beginning of the WWII and the rise of Hitler. I began with talking about Germany and rise of Hitler is because: 1.to me it looks that governments and ultra-national organizations are trying to drive people into some type of mentally paralyzing state of fear and desperation. Just think of the television, the biggest slice of todays public media, The news dramatically report the discovery of dangerous viruses, terrorists and random murders and other extremely scary but unlikely events in one persons life. And commercials never tell you whats good about your life, they tell you what you need to buy to make our life better. It's as if they're saying "your life isn't good enough if you own this thing". I weren't very worried about television until i read this:http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/TVtruth.htm 2.In developing countries workers, who make our clothes and shoes and televisions and cellphones, are treated like animals and they live under truly miserable conditions, think what could happen if one of them came up with an idea to start a revolution, overthrow the government and blame us for their misery.
Anyway, it went something like this: The first WW had ended and Germany had lost, and Britain and some other countries claimed that the whole war was Germany's fault, and they made Germany pay a lot of money, for being so naughty. At the same time the technological revolution was going on and big machines was being build. Since Germany owed so much to everyone, German people were turned into the workhorse for the machines. The work conditions were something similar to Nike-shoe-factory/sweatshop in Thailand today, maybe a little worse. People became, exhausted, hungry and desperate. Then came Hitler with the simple answer: "lets kill the Jews". I'm not a skinhead, I don't want to kill anyone. What I'm trying to say is that Germans weren't born to grow up into stupid Nazis, they were made that way by a campaign of enslavement and brainwashing.
As i commented on one other forum, there is no war on drugs, but there is a war on freedom of minds. If you don't believe me you need to go to a city and look around: you will see that almost everyone is wearing branded clothes: Nike, Asics, Adidas, Gucci, fubu, whatever. Now why would any truly sensible people pay their weeks salary for a pair of shoes(that has been made by slaved children in far east)? You could buy just as good pair of shoes from a jumble-sale, Wall-mart or online auction for 1/8th the price! As I see it we are all being brainwashed. The death of overgrow was an assassination, It knew too much of the truth, and people were listening to it. It's message was: "You don't need to buy a 4WD SUV and drive it to the Disneyland to have a good time, all you need to do it sit down, light a joint and read a book" We need to show them that all of us didn't die with the overgrow.
--MY SOLUTION-- 1. rebuild/replace the overgrow, this time we should get international backup servers to for example in India and Netherlands so the whole project wouldn't be shot down when cops raid one apartment 2. Form an international organization of free thinkers, like "hippies" and "intellectuals" and gather and spread true information. Multi-linguistic online-message-board would be a good start for this, so that exchange of data wouldn't be hindered/prevented by someones bad English. I'm sorry if I'm raving mad but thats what activism is all about isn't it? 
As you may see, my picture of the state of this world and the destination of mankind is very dark and I feel that I need to at least try to do something, and I'm starting by sharing my views with my friends and you.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? Is our destiny to die in nuclear war over the last remaining oil on earth? Should we take a active hand in our destiny and work against the American war-factory. Or should we just have sex and use drugs like there's no tomorrow?
Edited by cloned (03/31/06 10:42 AM)
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DoctorJ


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Re: A call to arms [Re: cloned]
#5463243 - 03/31/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you're going to make a patronizing post, you could at least use proper paragraphs.
oh, by the way, overgrow was shut down by the canadian government, not the US.
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giz
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Re: A call to arms [Re: cloned]
#5463278 - 03/31/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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are you trying to say that ww1 was not germanys fault?
and what does anything of this got to do with overgrow? what i belive, i belive any nation is entitled to enforce their own laws even if we dont like it and that laws are changed trough democratic processess.like canada has enforced their laws upon overgrow. you might disagree with the laws but if there is democracy you cant win all. i choose to ignore the laws i dont like but i know the risk and are willing to take it ie when i cultivate cannabis.
and the owner was stupid to combine a seed buisness with something that could have been just a information page about cultivation. overgrow was not shut down because they prevented some kind of brainwashing but because they sold cannabis seeds which is illegal in canada.
i think my destiny is to die as an old happy man,
i also think that there is something weird about short strange looking men with alot of power such as hitler and bush
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cloned
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Re: A call to arms [Re: giz]
#5463426 - 03/31/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies and thanks for the hints DoctorJ I just changed the post alitle, i hope it makes it more readable. I think that war is just as much the starters fault as it is the ones who "throws the third rock". I believe you can allvays turn back and try to find peaceful solution. Sure a government must practise their own laws, there's no doubt about that. What I'm trying to say is that we need to practise our right to tell our opinnion and our right to wote to try to overthrow suchs insane laws. I'm saying we need to organize to see how much power we have, in our massive, currently invisible community.
Edited by cloned (03/31/06 10:32 AM)
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DieCommie

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Re: A call to arms [Re: cloned]
#5463632 - 03/31/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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cloned said:I believe you can allvays turn back and try to find peaceful solution.
ridiculous. There is no reason to believe that every conflict can be solved peacefully, or violently for that matter. Every conflict is unique and has a unique solution, maybe peaceful maybe violent. But to say one or the other is always the correct choice is close-minded.
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cloned
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Re: A call to arms [Re: DieCommie]
#5463722 - 03/31/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
DieCommie said:
ridiculous. There is no reason to believe that every conflict can be solved peacefully, or violently for that matter. Every conflict is unique and has a unique solution, maybe peaceful maybe violent. But to say one or the other is always the correct choice is close-minded.
thats the spirit! just stand idly by and watch it all go to hell. then in the end you can be proud of yourself and say "I had nothing to do with it, I'm completely neutral".
Edited by cloned (03/31/06 12:13 PM)
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DieCommie

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Re: A call to arms [Re: cloned]
#5463746 - 03/31/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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? im sorry that doesn't make any sense to me.
I am far from neutral.
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Luddite
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Re: A call to arms [Re: DieCommie]
#5465092 - 03/31/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Didn't WWI start because Duke Ferdinand was assassinated? After WWI, the Versaille Treaty imposed harsh penalties on Germany which was made worse by the Great Depression which helped the Nazis come to power. After WWII, the Marshal Plan put things back together in Europe. Why did France and England feel it was their moral obligation to declare war on Germany in WWI when France and England had their own colonies around the world?
Edited by Luddite (03/31/06 06:35 PM)
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DieCommie

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Re: A call to arms [Re: Luddite]
#5465103 - 03/31/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Luddite said: Didn't WWI start because Duke Ferdinand was assassinated?
No, not really. It was started by tensions long built up by colonization, posturing and other factors. Not sure of the point your getting at though?
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Re: A call to arms [Re: DieCommie]
#5465297 - 03/31/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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who cares about ww1? the drug war/descrimination of our society is not a result of that war. its a direct result of western society, from its very beginnings, nothing new, and not likely to change until the west stops acting like God. Peace
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Re: A call to arms [Re: blaze2]
#5466381 - 04/01/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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we are part of the west, and we can try to drive the the west forth the more humble and humane western culture.
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