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Work Area Question
    #5461826 - 03/30/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is my first experience working with mushrooms. I just began inoculation of 3 dozen jars trying different substrates (WBS, Popcorn, rye/verm) to see which one works best for my working area.




I am obviously new to this experience and am looking for any type of critique. I use the space heater to keep the room at a certain temperature for each step. Do you think a space heater is a good idea? I also read that a cool mist humidifier is a good way to keep the area humid. However, it doesn't feel too humid. Is the space heater eating up all the humidity? If so, is there a better way to keep the entire area warm enough? The stairs and walls all have liners to attempt to keep the area isolated from outer lights and cooler temperatures. When the time comes i plan to mount a fluorescent light fixture to the side wall so light reaches all rack levels equally. I'm sure there are better setups but this is what I have to work with. Any ideas to keep the rooms climate at a controlled temp/humidity would help. It is day 3 post-inoculation so I am not expecting to see growth in the jars for another week. I have a lower budget so I used things I already owned (space heater, humidifier, rack). Please let me know what you think about this setup.

-Zanados


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Zanados]
    #5461856 - 03/30/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have a thermometer and a (reliable) hygrometer? IMO, it seems like a pretty large area to be heating/humidifing with what you have, but it could maybe work. Get some gauges and test it out.

Personally, I'd suggest just making a TiT for incubating, and then a double tub for fruiting. It just seems easier to regulate and take care of.


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: muskrat]
    #5461896 - 03/30/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll look into getting some tubs that can fit 3 dozen pint jars tommorrow. If I do the TiT route, are the humidifier or space heater nessesary? I could put a hose to the humidifier and connect it to the tubs but my only concern is its a "cool mist" humidifier and it seems like it would raise the humidity but drop the temp too much.

Edit: Haven't found a reliable measurer for humidity yet, butlive in a fairly humid climate.
-Zanados


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Zanados]
    #5462035 - 03/30/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As far as I know, no humidification is needed for incubation, that's just for fruiting. If you get a fully submersible aquarium heater and place it in the bottom tub with water, and then place another tub in the water, it will heat up the top tub. Do a search for a thorough tek.

SWIM always just uses a layer of wet perlite in the bottom of a tub for fruiting humidification, but only for fruiting.

Other tips: make sure during incubation your jars aren't exposed to light or they might start to pin invitro, which probably isn't what you're looking for.
Make a TiT and check temperatures in various places of it (try it once it's filled with jars too). If it's relatively uniform, you can stack jars with no problem.
I would have suggested thinking out your growing parameters a bit more before innoculating, but since you already have, this is a very helpful site and you will probably get more replies soon. Welcome to the shroomery.


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: muskrat]
    #5462058 - 03/30/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah follow muskrat's advice. Buy two tubs and shop on ebay for a fully submersible fish tank heater. Make sure it states "fully submersible". Get a few bricks and place them on the bottom of one tank then put in the heater...just make sure that it wont get crushed by the bricks (dont move it around too much while in use)...fill it up a 1/3 with water (roughly) and put the other tub in the water along with a cinderblock to weigh it down. Take a couple of hours to play with the heater settings and a thermometer to get the temperature around 85 degrees...throw in the jars cover with a blanket and forget about it..


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: ebass]
    #5462181 - 03/30/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Set it and forget it! Haha.

Just wanted to clear up something I said earlier. When I mentioned perlite in a fruiting chamber, I meant if you just wanted to fruit directly off the cakes. If you were going to case in a double or monotub, the perlite wouldn't be needed. :smile:


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: muskrat]
    #5462407 - 03/31/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Run the incubator around 82F. Once the jars get rockin they generate their own heat(think compost pile). If you run the incubator at 85F your jars will run too hot and probably dry out. I've had poor success with WBS @ 85F, and 100% success running the incubator @ 82F.

If you want to 'FRUIT'(their are 2 stages to growing, colonization, and fruiting basically) on racks just sitting in a room, you're going to need a hygrometer. Otherwise, use a PmP or doubletub tek. Something that regulates itself. Otherwise, your yields will probably suck.


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: cappa]
    #5462687 - 03/31/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks alot for your help guys. I'll take your advice with much consideration. My first hope was to make my small room the total enclosure.

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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Zanados]
    #5462928 - 03/31/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would recommed using a TiT. You can control temp and humidity better in a smaller space and will have a better chance for success. Keep the TiT in the room, and use the rest of the space as storage for supplies (which you will need)


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5523449 - 04/17/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well its been about 19 days since i started and i learned a lot from reading this site about my errors. I've got a TiT set up and a 24qt PC now. This first batch I'm not too upset about results since i was impatient/anxious. I have since started a Karo jar will decent results.
This is my question though. Here are some pictures of my first try after 19 days. The popcorn has white stains on it and near the glass and sounds dry when shaken. However when flipped upside down, the popcorn sticks to the jar.

I'll probably keep them incubating for another 2 weeks but i wanted some advice on the appearance of the substrates.



Here is a picture of Brown rice and verm. Out of the dozen only 3 have any type of growth. This is the biggest one. My first try but i think it looks right (besides being way slow.)

Here is the wbs jar that i neglected.

The TiT is staying at 81 since the last post and i haven't seen any discoloration or non grainy smells.


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Zanados]
    #5523624 - 04/17/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that WBS jar is too wet and too full.

the idea of using grains is to be able to shake the grains around when mycelium appears in order to spread it around. the whole idea is to have a jar that colonizes quickly.

try increasing your PC time to 90 minutes.
if you can, add a little vermiculite to your WBS in order to air it out a bit. it looks like you have some wetspot goin on there.


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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Tweexican]
    #5524299 - 04/17/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah i didn't let the wbs expand enough before cooking. How do you think the popcorn looks?
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Re: Work Area Question [Re: Zanados]
    #5597982 - 05/06/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here are 2 pics of my wbs to hpoo from 3 days after mixing. i've covered it for the most part so it doesn't get light until there is more colonization. I got the poo from tennstud and for the first two days some of the clumps looked a little greyish. Now the grey has gone away and there is more white strands. Does this look about right? I was going to h2o2 mist it 2 times a day and there is a fish wand in there for air exchange.

The temp stays at about 77 and gets about 5 minutes of light a day.
when it is fully colonized i was gonna throw on some peat/verm. Just looking for some experienced advice as to how the substrate looks and if my future desicions sound ok.




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