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badreligion2good
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First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue
#5459608 - 03/30/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just purchased 2 ounces of mimosa hostilis root bark, and 2 ounces of syrian rue seed. I was wondering if anyone had any recomendations on preparation of ayahuasca using these two plants. I was also wondering about dosage; how much is enough for a full trip? I am male and I weigh about 180lbs.
If this ayahuasca works it will be my first trip and I was wondering if anyone had any recomendations on preparing myself for the experience. I have read The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary and plan to keep it with me during my voyage.
I appreciate any ideas. Peace.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#5459628 - 03/30/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca for your first trip?  I would seriously recommend mushrooms or acid first but if you decide to go with aya you need to do lots more research, at least enough to know your dosage and how to prepare it.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#5459682 - 03/30/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Traditionally you need alot of maois, but I would not suggest that for you. I would say use 3 grams of rue your first time anything more your trip could get really serious and at that point the rue starts acting as a hallucinogen by its self. I have never used mimosa H so I cant suggest anything about that.
Ayahuasca is quite possibly the most intense hallucinogen I have tried and when I have used is with medium to larger doses its WAY more intense than 5 grams of mushrooms. At the more traditional doses it can be really fucking terrifying. so I would start with a low dose, and I would read up on ayahuasca like crazy.
but ya, 2.5 grams of rue is necessary for full mao-inhibition. Im just trying to be on the safe side with my suggestions. To resemble a traditional brew, you would need 5 grams of rue+, but I certainly wouldnt recommend that you do that.
Dont forget the dietary restrictions. And again, read up a whole shit load because chances are if dont know your dose, you also have no idea what you might be getting yourself into.
Ayahuasca is indeed a pretty crazy thing to take for your first time. People do that all the time though. Many of the people who go on these ayahuasca retreits have never used hallucinogens, and are going there for a healing.
Edited by stemmer (03/30/06 01:29 PM)
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: stemmer]
#5459721 - 03/30/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is a link to one dramatic encounter with ayahuasca. Also the last time it took a big dose of ayahuasca it was far more dramatic than what you are possibly about to read. Due to years of hallucinogen use my last ayahuasca trip was the end all be all, and it has changed my life dramatically. I certainly will never touch another hallucinogen again.
-----> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru4.html
Edited by stemmer (03/30/06 01:33 PM)
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badreligion2good
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: stemmer]
#5459765 - 03/30/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have done lots of reading on the Web and in magazines about ayahuasca. Experience reports, doses, traditional uses, legal issues, many things. I came to the shroomery poles to ask for the opinions of the users on here because I think many of the users are experienced with hallucinogens and could help me get the most out of them. Thanks for the help!
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#5459823 - 03/30/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good luck then.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#5459844 - 03/30/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was thinking now that I could try the syrian rue by itself to see what it is like. After trying it a few times, I will attempt an ayahuasca brew using 2.5 grams of rue and and 4 grams of ground mimosa root bark prepared in water with lemon juice and 250 mg vitamin C.
4 grams of mimosa is one half to one third of what many of the preperations on erowid use. And Im using 2.5 grams of syrian rue for full MAO inhibition.
Does this sound like a better path for experimentation?
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#6089087 - 09/22/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca is a powerful brew. It is not for the faint of heart, it will show you things that you will perceive to be very scary. It's not something to toy around with. And I now only know that from research, but by experience as well
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: dmtryptamine]
#6089224 - 09/22/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried this combination a while back.
11g MHRB 3.5g Syrian Rue
Here are the notes I took while preparing it:
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Ingredients:
56g powdered MHRB (11.2g each) 17.5g crushed Syrian Rue (3.5g each) White vinegar + Distilled water (to pH 4.5?)
Preperation:
1. Mix MHRB with prepared water and lightly boil covered for 30 minutes.
2. Do the same things in step one to crushed Rue.
3. Filter the MHRB mixture through paper towel, saving the liquid, and reboiling the sludge. Repeat twice.
4. Boil Rue juice down to drinkable amount.
5. Boil remaining MHRB juice to drinkable amount.
Be prepared.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: Cakes]
#6090148 - 09/22/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I highly doubt 4 grams mimosa is going to do anything at all. And whats the point of trying rue a few times, all thats going to do is not allow you to eat much at all, there are alot of foods that will seriously harm you because of an amino acid in them called Tyramine. I don't think thats worth any effect you would get from syrian rue alone. In my opinion, I would not start with ayahausca for a first trip because nothing you could ever possible imagine isn't even a percent of what you could potentially experience. You may just end up in the most confused terror state for what feels like eternity and when you come back to your body your just as confused and terrified as when you left it. But if thats what your looking for by all means good luck as you will gain much respect for what you just took, and you will start to learn alot through the experience you never even knew you could think about or learn on your own.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: TheJakeyl88]
#6090154 - 09/22/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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why must everyone greatly overdo the syrain rue 1-2.5 grams is far more then enough since your using mimosa i say take 25g mismosa and 3 g of rue in the brew and eat one or two pinches of rue along side it and drink the brew till you feel like you cant drink any more and thats the right dose. be sure the save the mimosa after you brew it in a ziplock bag and put it in a freezer one brew of 30g mimosa should leave that bark with 1 or 2 more doses left in it
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: badreligion2good]
#6090746 - 09/22/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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3 grams Rue 8-12 grams MHRB Brewed in the same pot works fine, no real need to boil either... cook over a fire and stay outdoors, expect to purge. Bring extra water for drinking and good luck it will most likely get pretty gnarly
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: thedudenj]
#6090863 - 09/22/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: why must everyone greatly overdo the syrain rue 1-2.5 grams is far more then enough since your using mimosa i say take 25g mismosa and 3 g of rue in the brew and eat one or two pinches of rue along side it and drink the brew till you feel like you cant drink any more and thats the right dose. be sure the save the mimosa after you brew it in a ziplock bag and put it in a freezer one brew of 30g mimosa should leave that bark with 1 or 2 more doses left in it
Some people use more rue because of its equivalent in caapi that is usually used in traditional brews. If you wanted the same amount as a shamans brew(and yes i mean real shamans that live in the jungle), you would want between 4-10 grams of rue. That information comes from the many studies done on the contents of different shamans brews from peru to brazil.
I know, most people feel the vine is different in many ways. The reason for going anywhere over 3 grams is because that is when the rue starts to get pretty damn hallucinogenic by its self. In most shamans brews that have been tested there is a whole lot of maois per "dose", infact its usually way way more potent than 3 grams of rue as far as maois go.
Your right though, it is said that it takes from 2 to 2.5 grams to acheive full mao-inhibition. At that dose its only being used as an maoi with possibly some subtle hallucinogenic effects.
To make it a bit closer to the typical ayahuasca brew you are going to want to use more. To each his own though. I have used 2.5 grams of rue once(my first time) and it was indeed VERY effective.
So ya, thats why.
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Edited by yageman (09/22/06 04:15 PM)
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: yageman]
#6091082 - 09/22/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wouldn't recommend it for a first trip (i dont think i would have been able to handle my trip if i had no prior experience), but the traditional users of ayahuasca use it as their first trip (i believe. they have the advantage of having shamans help them, but it is still their first trip.
all i say is, surround yourself with positive things. high tempo, electronic music made a few minutes (felt MUCH longer) of my experience terrible.
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Re: First Ayahuasca Experience, mimosa and syrian rue [Re: astabooty]
#6091116 - 09/22/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dunno using a brew of just 10 g of rue is nothing like a brew of 100g of caapi. a straight up caapi brew is way differnt i suggest he gets some good ole caapi. btw 12g of chalipona and 14g of mimosa with 3 pinches of rue in the brew and 2 pinches eaten can produce you whole vision being submerged in colourful patterns with beings of light moving around and really intense feelings
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