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OfflineBikerfool
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Oil Crash=Doomsday
    #5459161 - 03/30/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

SO I was just looking on this website www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
It's insane that people live their lives the way that they do! Our civilization will likely begin to collapse in the next two years because of oil depletion. Check out the website, it's likely to change the way you view the world, and hopefully stop some people from driving unnecessarily. My advice: learn to farm and support yourself. Later --


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459165 - 03/30/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lolz0rz:  We're screwed!


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459190 - 03/30/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No, there's still plenty left. It's just a lot more profitable for the oil companies to have the public believe we are getting very low.

It's there...
We've gone through this before...

EDIT: One research paper leaked a few months back stated that there was a huge patch of oil...found in a different part of the Gulf of Mexico.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5459206 - 03/30/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

lol...

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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459242 - 03/30/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I picked up an old homeless/hippie dude trying to thumb a lift out here a while back... he told me that he conserves fuel by hitching...  :confused:

I didn't have the heart to tell him he's not really helping the situation... he's just using somebody else's buck to get around!


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459257 - 03/30/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am looking forward to it, I would love to see it hqappen.

If thats what it takes to birth a new better society then bring it on. :smile:

So we will "have to" start buying locally??? Farmers markets will be booming??
We wont ship grapes 10,000 miles to have them shipped back as jam??

Sorry but I fail to see the downside other then heating issues during the winter, and we can solve those problems to, so as I said, I am waiting for it.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #5459276 - 03/30/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry but I fail to see the downside other then heating issues during the winter, and we can solve those problems to, so as I said, I am waiting for it.




It takes 7 hydrocarbon calories to process 1 calorie of food.
Plastic is made of petroleum products..so no plastic (the western world depends on plastic)
All pesticides are made of petroleum too. So, growing those grapes will be a problem in the first place.
Thankfully, there will be no shortage of ammo...catch my drift? :smirk:


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #5459296 - 03/30/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5459301 - 03/30/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I picked up an old homeless/hippie dude trying to thumb a lift out here a while back... he told me that he conserves fuel by hitching...  :confused:

I didn't have the heart to tell him he's not really helping the situation... he's just using somebody else's buck to get around!




Actually hitchiking  is similar to carpooling...


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5459302 - 03/30/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

is this all because of the new south park?


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Tien]
    #5459305 - 03/30/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No, it takes 7hydrocarbons to produce food from OIL.

What about growing with , oh I dont know...The Sun! :wink: Done properly a greenhouse could help heat your home at the end of the day.

Anything made from the hydrocarbons in OIL can be made with the carbohydrates in Veggie oil, HEMP is the key to our future, just as it was the one plant that built our past. :smile:

We shouldnt use pesticides anyway, why do we use them?? because the way we farm is stupid, Mono-culture farming will always need chemicals, but people in India planting 5 crops at a time dont seem to need, or want pesticides.
So fuck em, we are better off without them.

As for ammo well I will do what it takes to protect my family and friends, but with enough people with the knowledge of how to live after the crash, I doubt there will be a need for violence. (in some cases)


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5459306 - 03/30/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Y2K, here we come again...


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5459307 - 03/30/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead.  Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




yea.. :rolleyes:...people who beleive in global warming are fucking idiots too


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: downforpot]
    #5459317 - 03/30/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Y2K, here we come again...




Lol, exactly.

The same thing as end of the world predictions, too.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459355 - 03/30/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I want the future to be EXACTLY like Fallout2.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: paulie_walnuts1]
    #5459367 - 03/30/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yay its the end of the Earth flying in our ears and out the other as soon after we realise woo YA the thrills wooo im getting chills up my spine.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5459368 - 03/30/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

actually, its worse than that. quoted from the site,

1. The construction of an average car consumes the energy
equivalent of approximately 20 barrels of oil , which
equates to 840 gallons, of oil. Ultimately, the
construction of a car will consume an amount of fossil
fuels equivalent to twice the car?s final weight.

2. The production of one gram of microchips consumes 630
grams of fossil fuels. According to the American Chemical
Society, the construction of single 32 megabyte DRAM
chip requires 3.5 pounds of fossil fuels in addition to 70.5
pounds of water.

3. The construction of the average desktop computer
consumes ten times its weight in fossil fuels.

4. The Environmental Literacy Council tells us that due to
the "purity and sophistication of materials (needed for) a
microchip, . . . the energy used in producing nine or ten
computers is enough to produce an automobile."

and

Because petrochemicals are key components to much more than just the gas in your car. As geologist Dale Allen Pfeiffer points out in his article entitled, "Eating Fossil Fuels," approximately 10 calories of fossil fuels are required to produce every 1 calorie of food eaten in the US.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Jack_Flash]
    #5459371 - 03/30/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i dont mean to sound like a hippie, but how are we not screwed? how can you look at our civilization, and think to yourself, yes this is good, this will carry on for a very long time, and we are self sufficient.
and for that, yes, you know we have to change. but the realistic fact is that we will not change until we can turn back time.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Jack_Flash]
    #5459379 - 03/30/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i dont mean to sound like a hippie, but how are we not screwed? how can you look at our civilization, and think to yourself, yes this is good, this will carry on for a very long time, and we are self sufficient.
and for that, yes, you know we have to change. but the realistic fact is that we will not change until we can turn back time.




oh we'll change...once its too late :lol:


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Jack_Flash]
    #5459380 - 03/30/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Even if we stop all this bullshit were doing its only slowing down the time the Earth will actually replinish itself and purge itself. Its will happen and I know of it but I wont live everyday hoping to change something thats irreversible. In some sense I hope all humans die for the better of the world, but untill that time comes I will live on trying to do every bit I can while still having a stable lifestyle. I just wish we would evolve into something not like humanism, something that is in thought for the Earths health but yet is able to have many pleasures as we do but differently. I just wish i was that evolution lol oh well.


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forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

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Edited by Savako (03/30/06 12:36 PM)


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5459389 - 03/30/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Left Nut City said:
Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




Speaking as someone that works in the head office of the largest oil company in the world, I can assure you that Peak oil is very, very real. We are all living in very interesting times...


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Rono]
    #5459391 - 03/30/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Rono said:
Quote:

Left Nut City said:
Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




Speaking as someone that works in the head office of the largest oil company in the world, I can assure you that Peak oil is very, very real. We are all living in very interesting times...




huuray


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forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Jack_Flash]
    #5459394 - 03/30/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you really should try to find a better source for you information. I can find a biased website that will tell me whatever I want to hear on any subject out there.

Real research doesnt come from one website. If you are truly worried about the situation, why dont you do the necessary research to come to a logical and educated conclusion?

Remember, just because it is on the internet doesnt mean its truth. There are some pretty nifty web addresses out there that make you sound more "important" than you really are.

Just be careful where you get your info and make sure you truly know the situation before you go preaching it to others. :smile:


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Rono]
    #5459416 - 03/30/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Rono said:
Quote:

Left Nut City said:
Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




Speaking as someone that works in the head office of the largest oil company in the world, I can assure you that Peak oil is very, very real. We are all living in very interesting times...




No offence, but can you link any real documentation showing this from multiple sources? I could easily talk about the oil rig I own and how my corporate R&D team says oil levels are just fine. What I am trying to say is this is the internet, hear-say isnt a way to make a point.

I would be interested on hearing any credible sources you have though.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: dedjam]
    #5459423 - 03/30/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Unfortunately, on the Shroomery you have to take people's word...because we're all too paranoid about our private lives.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5459432 - 03/30/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Unfortunately, on the Shroomery you have to take people's word...because we're all too paranoid about our private lives.




I can be quit ridiclous at times, I blame the drugs! lol


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forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: dedjam]
    #5459439 - 03/30/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe him. He lives in canada's saudi arabia.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Noetical]
    #5459441 - 03/30/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Life is quit dull ... we need a crash.. it might help set things straight.


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forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5459450 - 03/30/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Too many people think peak oil is going to lead to Mad Max


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459455 - 03/30/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All these doomsday scenarios assume that oil production will suddenly and drastically fall off - which is really quite unlikely to ever happen.

Oil production will come to a peak and then fall off, but it will take at least a few decades, possibly centuries. Being our primary energy source and feedstock for much of modern society, I think the peak in oil production will cause a lot of drastic changes worldwide - but they certainly won't all be sudden events.

This isn't something that is going to happen, it's something that is already happening.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: dedjam]
    #5459458 - 03/30/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gopenguins said:
you really should try to find a better source for you information. I can find a biased website that will tell me whatever I want to hear on any subject out there.

Real research doesnt come from one website. If you are truly worried about the situation, why dont you do the necessary research to come to a logical and educated conclusion?

Remember, just because it is on the internet doesnt mean its truth. There are some pretty nifty web addresses out there that make you sound more "important" than you really are.

Just be careful where you get your info and make sure you truly know the situation before you go preaching it to others. :smile:




Yea...I hear www.google.com is vey good for research. try typing in "Hubberts Peak Theory"


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: trendal]
    #5459498 - 03/30/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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All these doomsday scenarios assume that oil production will suddenly and drastically fall off - which is really quite unlikely to ever happen.

Oil production will come to a peak and then fall off, but it will take at least a few decades, possibly centuries.




What about the growing economies of China and India? Soon, the chinese demand for oil will overshoot US., India will follow.
I mean, with over population and all, the demand will keep growing as the production decreases...i think that means two things. 1 shortages of bare necessities and 2. civil unrest (although not immediately)

Electricity and power isn't really the issue here, there are machines that can produce energy for cheap...but that means, it's worth nothing. so...giant economies will collapse because there will be not enough markets to exploit.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Tien]
    #5459508 - 03/30/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Until then im going to go kill a cow.


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On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5459522 - 03/30/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is why i gave away my car and bought a scooter
and why longboards are key


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: funkymonk]
    #5459609 - 03/30/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nice :thumbup:
also notice how the majority of car manufacturers are coming out with all these new Hybrid models..


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Tien]
    #5459651 - 03/30/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

OMG no dont pollute smug!


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forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Tien]
    #5459764 - 03/30/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

China and India will continue to put pressure on the oil market, no doubt, but that still won't cause any sudden or drastic loss of production in oil.

The price of oil will go up because of the increased demand, but at some point significant demand-destruction will occur. That will happen in the poor countries first, and it will take some pressure off the demand for oil. The price will level off or even drop for a while, so more people will start buying oil again and the price will go back up. This will probably go on for quite a while - barring any major wars - and each time the price goes back down it will bottom out a little higher than the last time.

In this way we'll see something of a bumpy-plateau in oil usage and price. More and more people will find themselves unable to pay the price for oil and its products as time goes on, but once again it won't happen all at once.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5460620 - 03/30/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




got any proof?


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Noviseer]
    #5460710 - 03/30/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Life follows its evolutionary cycle, humans made their way to the planet by evolving, and one day the Homo Sapien age will die off, and more sophisticated Homos will evolve. Perhaps Homos with tougher skin as to resist rough weather, or Homos with the plantlike ability to create their own food, or perhaps Homos with the ability to hibernate as to save resources. Who Knows?


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Noviseer]
    #5460711 - 03/30/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I've read the proof however I am not going into a long thesis on it here.
The problem isn't lack of oil, but that oil is owned by other contries but us.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Freeker]
    #5460831 - 03/30/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Baby Jesus will rapture us all up to heaven before anything bad happens.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Noviseer]
    #5460843 - 03/30/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Check out the massive amounts of unconventional sources, thats all the proof you need.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Noviseer]
    #5461002 - 03/30/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Oil will be around long after we are all old and dead. Anyone that believes otherwise are fucking idiots.

No proof of that nedded.




got any proof?




Umm, oil is produced faster than thought. Check google. Oil wasn't just created, it is being made right now, underground.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5461101 - 03/30/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One word: Nucular Power! :smile:

There's enough realistically minable Uranium for at least a thousand years, possibly much more, even at increased enrgy demands. With future breeder reactors it could be hundreds of thousands of years.
Quick reference I found: http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/uranium.html
And wikipedia says:
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Uranium is a naturally occurring element found at low levels in virtually all rock, soil, and water. It is considered to be more plentiful than antimony, beryllium, cadmium, gold, mercury, silver, or tungsten and is about as abundant as arsenic or molybdenum




So nuclear energy is used for hydrogen production which we put into our cars. And the remaining oil reserves are used for plastics. Even plants can be used for plastics.

The nuclear waste problem is a non-issue. Just bury it in glass and concrete in deep underground old mines.
Nuclear Meltdown can be totally avoided by pebblebed reactors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

Energy problem is no problem, I'm more worried about Global Warming if it indeed becomes a real problem. But I don't think it would be that much of a problem. Earth has been much warmer in the distant past. We'll just have to adapt.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5461131 - 03/30/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read an article a couple months back in popular science that went into detail about a new nuclear process that I could not understand.

The gist was is that that it is now 95% efficeint instead of 5% and that waste is drastically reduces and its dangerous half life was drastically reduced.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5461134 - 03/30/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We'll just have to squeeze.



:grin:


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Springs]
    #5461153 - 03/30/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We'll just have to squeeze.



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wtf?  :confused:
elaborate please..


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5461180 - 03/30/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Oil Crash=Doomsday"

At least something interesting will happen :thumbup:


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5461189 - 03/30/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We'll just have to squeeze.



:grin:



wtf?  :confused:
elaborate please..




Global warming, ice melting, water rising, land shrinking. Squeeze together :smile:

Water World man! :p


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Springs]
    #5461292 - 03/30/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It could also reverse. Global warming triggering a collapse of the gulf stream which would mean big ice sheets spreading into europe.


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Re: Oil Crash=Doomsday [Re: Freeker]
    #5461533 - 03/30/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Life follows its evolutionary cycle, humans made their way to the planet by evolving, and one day the Homo Sapien age will die off, and more sophisticated Homos will evolve. Perhaps Homos with tougher skin as to resist rough weather, or Homos with the plantlike ability to create their own food, or perhaps Homos with the ability to hibernate as to save resources. Who Knows?


We may even have Homos that are resistent to STDs and have only one gender. It will be a new super breed of Homos, gay sex and no STDs, wow.....

Anyways, natural cycles take care of all. The next ice age will occur and we will all be forced to move to the equator. There the overwhelming number of people, livestock, and farmland will be so packed together that new/unknown diseases will nearly destroy the human race. The human race will not die though, our best and brightest will survive along with enough working class to keep the shit the best and brightest think up built and maintained. But thanks to the technology they create the human race will never evolve past where we are; to evolve you need a reason, by using technology to evolve our environment(instead of our environment evolving us) we ourselves will not be shaped and changed the way our environment once did for us. If the human race evolves in anyway it will be in social classes, the working class will get their own physical features(extra arms, more muscle mass, ect) and the thinkers will most likely stay the same(probably a larger brain size if anything).

Now this thread is about oil and how a drastic fall in its production will send the world into a whirlwind of panic and violence. Oil will not stop being used during this ice age, it may actually be used more, but the decrease in people will mean that even if each person uses twice as much as we do now it will still be considerably less than what we all use now.

It just occurred to me that time is a big factor in this too, global panic and war may still happen if the drop in oil happens before the ice age, and the human race may not survive if the oil shortage and ice age happen at around the same time. But oil is a replenishable fuel source, the only problem is the time it takes to replenish itself and what it uses to replenish itself. The oil we use now was made by a giant mass of wildlife and vegetation that got covered in rock and decomposed under enormous pressure and heat.

Wow, I've written a lot. I actually forgot where I was going with this. I'll ponder this while the rest of you reply to this and or any other post.


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