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fatts
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Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium?
#5458557 - 03/30/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well the patties I found are full and I mean full of myc that is very dense. They are in my backyard. I would think that if they are cubes that I would have some pins at least, considering all the rain and the misting I have done. But alas...I have no pins yet. I understand that Cope Cyan's take a bit longer to fruit than Cubes. I read in someone else's post that they found some super dense Cope mycelium. Can you tell by the mycelium?
Oh and I did find a couple of baby pins that looked like cope cyans from pics on this site, but it may have been too early to tell.
The Copes print jet black right??
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: fatts]
#5458560 - 03/30/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't really think of any way other than cutting or damaging it to see if it bruises blue somehow, or just letting it develop into mushrooms.. Yeah copes = black spore print.
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: eris]
#5458718 - 03/30/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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IT is virtually impossible to tell what kind of shrooms one has when collecting manure to bring home to a yard. This is really a waste of time for most.
The age of ther manure is generally when the shrooms would grow. Most manure has to be completely decomposed to produce cubensis. However, sometimes the mycelium grows int he cows stomach with the manure and shrooms acan grow in freesh manure.
Yet I have never, in my lifetime, seen a cow-pie completely filled with mycelia.
I have posted some imags here of minor growth of mycelia in manure for both Copelanda and for cubensis.
One time I was a vast amount of mycelia outside of a ball of elephant dung as seen in this next image.

Of course that could be mycelium for another species other than P. cubensis. This I came to the conclusion because of the vast amount of other shrooms growing in the elephant shit. WHich included Bolbitius, Coprinus, Panaeolus antillarum, Panaeolus sphinctrinus, and Conocybe tenera and oterh simialr species which appear in manure of fouor-legged ruminants.
Here now is a half of a buffalo turd with massive mycelia in it. This was P. cubensis because I picked them from the pie.

You can see how the manure was very dry, and so was the mycelia beginning to dry also.
Now we have two images of Copelandia cyanescens mycelia from a cow pie in Hawaii. This was the result of spores falling on grass on the ground and then later a cow came and shit where the sproes had fallen. This is about five to six week old cow pie.
I turned this old cow pie over and found little pinners growing from the mycelia forming under the cowpie but not touching much of the grass where it lay.

and a closer look

And another such cow pie from a different location on Oahu Island.

Here as in the above two images of the baby pinning copes we can see pockets of space ont he bottom of these turds. This is where the mycelia was grwing into ferom the grassy area so the pinners had room to breath. They usually pop up around the edges of the manure heaps when growing under the pies edges form blades of grass ont he ground where the mycelium originaated form as seei n inthis image of Copes growing around the edge of the manure heap.

Now m once more I need remind you that no one knowns if the manure you bring home will produce cubes or not.
That is very hard to determine.
mj
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fatts
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5458745 - 03/30/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man wow...
I really appreciate the informative reply. Yeah the entire bottom of the patties were covered, not the top. But the one I broke up to case was totally white all the way through, except for the very top.
Also the only patties that I found that had any mcy, including the ones I brought home were really close to falling apart from decomposition. They were quite old. kind of white on the top.
Again, Thank You MJshroomer for the pics to compare and the great reply...
Also thanks erie for the reply
Edited by fatts (03/30/06 09:21 AM)
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5458789 - 03/30/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice pictures and info there.. now that I think about reading of the mycelium bruising thing, if I remember correctly, it was better done in a controlled environment on cultivated specimens or something.. which would probably make it much harder with wild specimens, especially considering the habitat.
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Also thanks erie for the reply
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fatts
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: fatts]
#5458791 - 03/30/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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After careful inspection of my myc and your pics, I can say that my myc look identical to the pics of the Cope myc. It looks like the cube myc is quite stringy and ropy. The Cope myc looks more fuzzy without all of the stringyness. Also the Cope pinners in your pic looked exactly like the babies that I found.
I have been thinking that I found Cope Cyan, but we'll see. mine and yours look identical.
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: eris]
#5458795 - 03/30/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whoops...I mean eris
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fatts
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: fatts]
#5458836 - 03/30/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So when putting the patties in my yard should they be myc facing up or myc facing down??
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Re: Can I possibly tell if I might get active shrooms by looking at the mycelium? [Re: fatts]
#5459039 - 03/30/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fatts,,
Many panaeolus mushrooms and others, including coprinus and Conocybes will also look just lik the pinners in the cope images.
And also just because you bribng home a few cowpies does not mean that the shrooms will still grow. Many have tried and only a few have got from t such ventures.
So basically, it is easier to go to a field and pick them there when they appear then to take home a few pies. You can only carry so many at a time and human handling can also cause bacterias and other microscopic problems to infect what may or may nmot be already growing in those patties.
mj
good luck
mj
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