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OfflineDoctorJ
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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5478823 - 04/04/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ekstaza said:


Armed drug users don't have a chance against armed non-drug users.

In the event that a cause is deemed good, and just, and right for the nation to stand up for and to fight for, there will be plenty of support to win the day. As it stands right now, no one is willing to rally around the "Viva La Dope-fiend" bandwagon.






I beg to differ. You need to start thinking in terms of organizations. Sure, a cop can bust me. But he can't bust all my friends, who also have guns, and know where his children go to school.

You think that the major drug distrubutors in this country aren't acting under local, state, even federal protection? Don't be naive. organized crime is a necessary counterbalance to organized government. Coercion, good-ol-boy networks, and threats of violence are what keep the drugs flowing through this country.

And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, you've obviously never lived in the ghetto.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5479421 - 04/04/06 02:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, you've obviously never lived in the ghetto.

Or haven't watched enough Cops.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5479434 - 04/04/06 02:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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The ACLU said:
"No-knock warrants pose a danger to the lives of police officers as well as innocent civilians," Silverstein said. "Many Colorado residents legally own firearms, and Colorado's controversial 'Make My Day' law increases the risk to police."

"If police do not successfully communicate their identity in the split-second when they kick down the door, they are likely to encounter gunfire from citizens who believe they are justifiably defending their homes from lawless intruders."





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Baltimore police were conducting a no-knock raid on his home, based on a tip from a single, anonymous informant. Police never announced themselves, and raided in street clothes. Cauthorne emerged from the basement with a handgun, shooting and wounding four of the invading police officers. Cops returned fire. Fortunately, no one was killed in the crossfire.

Cauthorne spent the next seven weeks in jail. Finally, in January of 2003, prosecutors dropped the charges against him, concluding that Cauthorne had reason to believe his life was in danger.




Not only do people shoot at the Police, sometimes they get away with it.  :syringe:

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: Rono]
    #5480034 - 04/04/06 06:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Rono said:
"If everyone else shared my attitude, people wouldn't be afraid of police, police would be afraid of people"

If everyone shared your attitude, the cops would shoot first and ask questions later.




They already do that...pretty often in fact.



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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5480672 - 04/04/06 09:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, you've obviously never lived in the ghetto.

Or haven't watched enough Cops.



Right

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Right


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5480692 - 04/04/06 09:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, .......




Anyone willing to shoot someone over drugs should be shot on sight. They are scum.


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YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ANY GIVEN DRUG ISN'T THE DEFINITIVE MEASURE OF THE DRUGS EFFECTS.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5480721 - 04/04/06 09:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ekstaza said:
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DoctorJ said:
And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, .......




Anyone willing to shoot someone over drugs should be shot on sight. They are scum.



unless thats how you eat. ghettoes aren't known for having a lot of other oppurtunities like quality school and gainful employment that pays a living wage.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: Alex213]
    #5480766 - 04/04/06 09:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Who says that the right to bear arms is to protect any minorities or small groups? It's for the nation as a whole. Not Just the potheads or the wacko gun freak nut-jobs. It's for the average man to ensure that there is at least some way of applying pressure to a government gone wrong.

Why does it have to be a small group rising up to overthrow a just government? (Which I believe that America still is, for the most part).

Your examples are, IMHO, irrelevant to the scope of this subject.
Sure, a minority group might not have such a great chance of fighting tyranny with guns, but then again there are still other avenues of resistance. Now if the government truly turns oppressive (and I ain't talking' about taking your hookah away), then I believe that you'd be surprised what guerrilla warfare could accomplish.

You are right to some extent, though. It's not just the guns. It's the willingness to use them. America is slowly losing it's will. Patriotism often involve treason and many don't have any idea where that line should be crossed.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #5483251 - 04/05/06 03:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
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Ekstaza said:
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DoctorJ said:
And if you think people aren't willing to bust caps at the police over a little dope, .......




Anyone willing to shoot someone over drugs should be shot on sight. They are scum.



unless thats how you eat. ghettoes aren't known for having a lot of other oppurtunities like quality school and gainful employment that pays a living wage.




One question. Do you think drugs use should be legalized? Because if it is those losers won't have ANY opportunity, according to your seemingly assinine assertion above.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5483289 - 04/05/06 03:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Red herring, son.
They won't have any opportunities, regardless of the legal status of drugs.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5483310 - 04/05/06 03:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone can get a job at McDonald's and gain experience that will allow them to move to something better. There's also the military and apprenticeships.

To suggest that the poor have to sell drugs to get by is ridiculous. There's plenty of opportunities for everyone as long as they're humble and willing to work hard.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: daimyo]
    #5483315 - 04/05/06 03:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You wanna strut like a pimp then a pimp is all you will be.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: daimyo]
    #5483343 - 04/05/06 03:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone can get a job at McDonalds, I agree. Unfortunately, there aren't many McDonalds in the projects.

There are extremely limited and, for lack of a better term, shitty opportunities for people in most black urban communities. Do you think ghettos exist because they're composed of people who want to be poor? This is hardly an apology for being a crack-dealer, but to say there is plenty of opportunies in tha ghetto seems absurd to me.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5483388 - 04/05/06 03:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I never said there were a lot of opportunities in the ghetto. I said there are plenty of opportunities for people in/from the ghetto. If they're too "proud", or lazy, to work a real job, then fuck em. Starve to death, or stay where you are and kill each other. Makes no difference to me.

I know people that have made their way legitimately, and I know people that have made it questionably. I also know people that are just too caught up in their stupidity to make it out.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5483455 - 04/05/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Anyone can get a job at McDonalds, I agree. Unfortunately, there aren't many McDonalds in the projects.

There are extremely limited and, for lack of a better term, shitty opportunities for people in most black urban communities. Do you think ghettos exist because they're composed of people who want to be poor? This is hardly an apology for being a crack-dealer, but to say there is plenty of opportunies in tha ghetto seems absurd to me.




Move. The ghetto is a ghetto because the people who stay there are bums. The bums make the ghetto, the ghetto does not make the bum.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5483616 - 04/05/06 04:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If they're too "proud", or lazy, to work a real job, then fuck em.

The majority of residents in a poor inner-city community have poor education, lack skills, and lack work experiences. The ratio of potential employees to employers is already excessively one-sided and, consequentially, these people have little hope of ever finding a steady job.

Makes no difference to me.

It's an honor to see someone so utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of others and for his country.

Move.

Huh?

The ghetto is a ghetto because the people who stay there are bums. The bums make the ghetto, the ghetto does not make the bum.

People are born bums and then naturally congregate, forming communities and passing on the niggardly bum-genes to their offspring?

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5484020 - 04/05/06 06:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Look up niggardly. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

Born bums or become bums, really doesn't matter does it? However they got there, they are still bums. And yes, they do tend to flock together, for whatever reason. Black bums, white bums, pink bums, blue bums. They all have choices. Bum genes? I don't think so.



Half of the quotes you use above are not mine. "Move" Yeah, fucking move. It's easy. Just fucking do it. Go somewhere. Get a job. Show up. Feign interest. Do better. Losers wallow.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5484416 - 04/05/06 08:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:The ghetto is a ghetto because the people who stay there are bums.  The bums make the ghetto, the ghetto does not make the bum.


true, and classic  :thumbup:

Remeber that not all ghettos are occupied by blacks.  In fact where I live all the ghetto areas are filled with white trash tweakers and wetbacks.

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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5484433 - 04/05/06 08:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think what Mushman is getting at is that if you're born in the ghetto to a couple of bums, there's not much chance of you becoming anything other than another bum, and that's not entirely due to genetics.


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Re: How would gun-owners "fight tyranny"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5484435 - 04/05/06 08:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:There are extremely limited and, for lack of a better term, shitty opportunities for people in most black urban communities. Do you think ghettos exist because they're composed of people who want to be poor? This is hardly an apology for being a crack-dealer, but to say there is plenty of opportunities in tha ghetto seems absurd to me.


That depends on how you define "opportunity". Sure compared to rich people in Cali. or New York they have less opportunity. But comparing them to the elites is not valid. Compared to the average person in the world/throughout history they have enormous opportunity, more than most humans could ever dream of. If I had a choice to be born in an american ghetto, or to be born in some random time/place, I would definitely choose the ghetto.

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